You're Being Lied to About Electric Cars

[easyrider]

Many of the younger gen that I have met have been trained / brainwashed to think driving IS difficult & taxing.

I'm not seeing this sentiment where we live. Most of the young here want and need to drive.

The sentiment regarding ev's with most demographics in our area is they are complete crap with the exception of golf carts at the golf course.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

'm not seeing this sentiment where we live

You live in the "boonies". Give me your zip code. I will look up a "walkability Score" for you. Whatever zillow calls it. I will look up the population density there.
How much time do you spend in a major urban area?
How much time do you spend nr a college campus in a major urban area?
What % of Americans do you think live in major urban areas?
ever been to BERKELEY? Cambridge?

 

[davidvel]

What an asshat.

 

[easyrider]

You live in the "boonies".

You call it boonies, I call it a suburb. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Even so, I am very familiar with Seattle and Portland but wouldn't want to live there. I'm guessing you live in a city where you can walk to work. The thing about that is living in a highly populated area can reduce a person's lifespan and is often detrimental to a person's health. No one wants to live on a campus with the exception of those attending the institution connected to the campus, imo.

If your argument is pro-ev in the larger cities you might want to go outside and count cars. My bet is you will count thousands of internal combustion vehicles per EV. If your argument is people can just walk you need to factor in that people will only walk so far before using transportation which is mainly the internal combustion type.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

You call it boonies, I call it a suburb. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

I am sure it is a great place to live.
How much time do you spend in a major urban area?
How much time do you spend nr a college campus in a major urban area?
What % of Americans do you think live in major urban areas?
ever been to BERKELEY? Cambridge?

 

[Chrispee]

The thing about that is living in a highly populated area can reduce a person's lifespan and is often detrimental to a person's health.

The data shows the opposite of what you're asserting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34999859/

As someone who moved from city to rural, I can agree that there are aspects of city life that could contribute to poor health. One of those things is poor air quality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32123898/

 

[WaikikiFirst]

go outside and count cars. My bet is you will count thousands of internal combustion vehicles per EV

and ... you'd be wrong. Come on down. I'll meet you in Palo Alto. We'll count cars. It'll be fun.
"thousands"? "hundreds"? "tens"? "> 10x"? I like my odds. "< 10x"? Now we've got a horse race.
Want to try buses? GONG! Wrong again.

the data must be avail by zip code or at least county somewhere, esp data for CA. Maybe one of the local experts has it?

 

[easyrider]

The data shows the opposite of what you're asserting. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34999859/

As someone who moved from city to rural, I can agree that there are aspects of city life that could contribute to poor health. One of those things is poor air quality. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32123898/

When using the term "rural" I'm thinking we are talking about an area located many miles away from city infrastructures. When using the term 'suburb' I'm thinking we are talking about an area close but outside of the main city infrastructures. When using the term "inner city" I'm thinking this is the most populated area of the city where a person can walk to the places they would need to.

Depending on the area of the city, a person could be living in a very nice zone or a not so nice zone which includes those filled with crime. There is a difference in lifespan between the zones within a city. The highly populated inner city zones probably have an overall lower lifespan percentage than all areas, imo. These are areas where the crime is high and poverty rampant.

Bill

 

[easyrider]

and ... you'd be wrong. Come on down. I'll meet you in Palo Alto. We'll count cars. It'll be fun.
"thousands"? "hundreds"? "tens"? "> 10x"? I like my odds. "< 10x"? Now we've got a horse race.
Want to try buses? GONG! Wrong again.

the data must be avail by zip code or at least county somewhere, esp data for CA. Maybe one of the local experts has it?

Yes, there are some areas where ev's thrive. The California Coast is one of them. My bet would be using I-5 in Southern California if I can Cherry pick a location. This is where I've noticed more internal combustion vehicles than ev's even though there are many more ev's in this area than most, imo. Your Cherry pick is Palo Alto which might as well be a Tesla parking lot, lol.

Bill

 

[WaikikiFirst]

Your Cherry pick is Palo Alto

sure. But it is not a cherry-pick. You said I should go outside and count cars. If I count in MY neighborhood, the EV # would be far higher than in Palo Alto I think.
I chose Palo Alto, bigger city, you've heard of it. If you count here, you might think Ford went out of business 20 yrs ago and Rivian is one of "The Big 3". and they all look alike. I think Rivian must have only 1 model.

It is funny to drive around and see so many Rivians and then read a headline about Rivian stock being down and the look and see a $13 stock. I guess it spiked up to $17 now.

A half-dozen yrs ago, someone drove by when I was in our driveway, stopped, and asked me something like "do you know where the guy with the Tesla lives?". Seriously. I could only laugh and ask "which one of the dozen Teslas from here to that next bend in the road".

We'll go to Huntington Bch, S Barbara, S Jose, Alameda, even San Luis Obispo. Your choice. Let's go.

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

I am sure it is a great place to live.
How much time do you spend in a major urban area?
How much time do you spend nr a college campus in a major urban area?
What % of Americans do you think live in major urban areas?
ever been to BERKELEY? Cambridge?

Actually, it is a great place to live by my standards.

I go into my back yard and see birds, lizards, butterflies, bees, and squirrels.
I smell the roses in my yard; enjoy the cannas, phlox, daylilies and hibiscuses, as well as many other flowering plants.
The noise level is much lower than in a highly urbanized area.
Me and my ICE can go anywhere we want; any time. NO wasting time waiting for public transportation.

But it's a free country (or so they say); you live your way, I'll live mine. . .

 

[DrQ]

Actually, it is a great place to live by my standards.

I go into my back yard and see birds, lizards, butterflies, bees, and squirrels.
I smell the roses in my yard; enjoy the cannas, phlox, daylilies and hibiscuses, as well as many other flowering plants.
The noise level is much lower than in a highly urbanized area.
Me and my ICE can go anywhere we want; any time. NO wasting time waiting for public transportation.

But it's a free country (or so they say); you live your way, I'll live mine. . .

Ralph, I live a few miles from you. We are not in the boonies we are in the suburbs of DFW metroplex and my BEV is in range of the destinations within the area. Plano is a member of DART (Dallas Area Rapid ( ) Transit whereas neighboring Lewisville is not, but has rail service connecting to DART through the DCTA. Plano has DART busses and rail to Dallas and the airport. Wile you DON'T wait for public transit, you COULD. When I worked for BofA in downtown Dallas, they offered a deal on a DART annual pass which I bought and used the express bus from Carrolton to Dallas before they completed the rail line out there.

I would much rather take DART into Dallas on a daily basis than:

• Pay Tolls
• Pay Parking
• Fight Traffic

While I don't use my BEV to travel to Houston, Austin or San Antonio, I could as there are Superchargers (which are now accessible to GM EV's with an adapter) but I find that I could use my BEV from McKinney to Ft Worth to Dallas with nightly charging if I so desired. I have to consciously us my ICE vehicles when we are home to keep the gas from going stale and the batteries from discharging from the parasitic drain of modern cars.

 

[easyrider]

Ralph, I live a few miles from you. We are not in the boonies we are in the suburbs of DFW metroplex and my BEV is in range of the destinations within the area. Plano is a member of DART (Dallas Area Rapid ( ) Transit whereas neighboring Lewisville is not, but has rail service connecting to DART through the DCTA. Plano has DART busses and rail to Dallas and the airport. Wile you DON'T wait for public transit, you COULD. When I worked for BofA in downtown Dallas, they offered a deal on a DART annual pass which I bought and used the express bus from Carrolton to Dallas before they completed the rail line out there.

I would much rather take DART into Dallas on a daily basis than:

• Pay Tolls
• Pay Parking
• Fight Traffic

While I don't use my BEV to travel to Houston, Austin or San Antonio, I could as there are Superchargers (which are now accessible to GM EV's with an adapter) but I find that I could use my BEV from McKinney to Ft Worth to Dallas with nightly charging if I so desired. I have to consciously us my ICE vehicles when we are home to keep the gas from going stale and the batteries from discharging from the parasitic drain of modern cars.

I just realized your height and your EV. Are you comfortable in a Bolt ?

Bill

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

Ralph, I live a few miles from you. We are not in the boonies we are in the suburbs of DFW metroplex and my BEV is in range of the destinations within the area. Plano is a member of DART (Dallas Area Rapid ( ) Transit whereas neighboring Lewisville is not, but has rail service connecting to DART through the DCTA. Plano has DART busses and rail to Dallas and the airport. Wile you DON'T wait for public transit, you COULD. When I worked for BofA in downtown Dallas, they offered a deal on a DART annual pass which I bought and used the express bus from Carrolton to Dallas before they completed the rail line out there.

I would much rather take DART into Dallas on a daily basis than:

• Pay Tolls
• Pay Parking
• Fight Traffic

While I don't use my BEV to travel to Houston, Austin or San Antonio, I could as there are Superchargers (which are now accessible to GM EV's with an adapter) but I find that I could use my BEV from McKinney to Ft Worth to Dallas with nightly charging if I so desired. I have to consciously us my ICE vehicles when we are home to keep the gas from going stale and the batteries from discharging from the parasitic drain of modern cars.

DrQ, I already <have> an ICE vehicle. I just don't see a need to buy another vehicle. Barring a major breakdown, I expect to keep it until I see a BEV I think will fit my lifestyle better. My comment was more about dense urban lifestyle vs suburban lifestyle.

I used public transportation in the 1980's in San Antonio. I found after a few years that I preferred to pay parking downtown than to use public transportation. But then again, I was on-call 24/6, living in the suburbs and commuting downtown (and no dial-in permitted.)

 

[HitchHiker71]

Cherry on top = 1 of the guys was on the planning board for BERKELEY. He claimed he was already pushing them to start to tear up & redesign streets, b/c with FSD, people wouldn't have to park on the street ... wouldn't park at home ... wouldn't even own a car. The city could own a fleet of cars, park them in a central lot, and when people needed acar, one of the cars would come to their house and pick them up.
This was almost 10 yrs ago. It was HILARIOUS.

It's coming - just a question of when not if.

 

[HitchHiker71]

more hrs watching The Squid Game, or whatever it is these people do

It's called recovering productive time wasted on driving. Need to work two hours while you commute? Go ahead and work on your laptop and phone. Need to take phone calls and actually pay attention? Go ahead and do so. Wanna catch up on your favorite series/shows/movies? Go ahead.

 

[HitchHiker71]

I mostly agree with you, BUT this is all about individual PREFERENCES.
We drive to Santa Barbara at lest 2x/yr, 555 mi R/T, and we take the scenic route, incl Big Sur sometimes. Good stuff. We drove to north San Diego this summer. (1000 mi R/T maybe?) 3 of us. I drove >half of it. I agree with you. I mostly enjoyed it. again, this is all about individual PREFERENCES. In the last 30 yrs, I haven't driven over 8K miles in a yr since I moved to Manhattan 30 yrs ago. So, it is "something different".

Otoh, I 100% understand how people who drive to commute, esp in nasty areas, can be bleepin sick of it.

As I've told many a person - don't knock it until you try it. There is such a thing as driver fatigue. That disappears with FSD for the most part even today. Over periods of many hours, it adds up. Having actually experienced the difference on several road trips - I come away feeling much less fatigued having not had to pay near as much attention as I would when having to drive manually. As you said, dealing with bumper to bumper traffic becomes much easier with FSD.

ps: Many of the younger gen that I have met have been trained / brainwashed to think driving IS difficult & taxing.

IME it's not so much that they've been brainwashed - as the fact that they grew up with Lyft and Uber, so they don't place the same priority on owning and operating their own vehicle, especially given how expensive vehicles have become to acquire, along with rising insurance rates over time. In other words, it's more a question of dollars and sense than not liking driving, though there's an aspect that because they grew up with alternative modes of easy transportation, they don't equate owning a personal vehicle with freedom like older generations do.