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The first outage was for more then 6 hours starting at dinner time, no information given by Excel as to what the problem was

If you live in California it was probably too cloudy for solar panels or there wasn't a breeze to spin wind turbines.

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Good chart - so roughly 1/3 of all global power generation comes from renewable sources today - and this will likely increase considerably over the next few decades - to the point where 75%-80% of all power production is renewable - along with the required mass energy storage arrays:

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The only way to claim of 1/3 of power generation is derived by renewable energy is to include hydro-power which is an established reliable energy source. If newer energy sources only include wind, solar, geothermal and bio-fuel as renewable, then we see the real picture as maybe 6% of these newer diluted energy sources for what they are, scams paid for by the public that enrich the wealthy.

Ev's also fall into the scam arena, imo. Considering the lifespan of vehicles , which are production, energy use and scraping, and we compare a Tesla to a similar ice vehicle, the Tesla carbon footprint is about 44 metric tonnes and the ice is about 49 metric tonnes. That is a 5 metric tonnes difference over years. When using carbon in a trading platform 1 metric has a value of about $7 USD. So an ice vehicle has a cost of $35 more than a Tesla regarding cost per metric tonne. Tesla buyers receive a $7,500 Federal subsidy meaning taxpayers are paying $7,500 USD for something that has a value of $35 USD. This doesn't include other incentives like tax write offs and local rebates.

The conversation often goes to saving the planet but most of these green products generate massive amounts of pollution that destroy the planet. My thought is there is no way an individual can do anything to prevent carbon 12 emissions. This is the next scam, people are brain washed by industry into thinking their efforts make a difference in reducing co2 when the reality is only industry can make a difference. You buy an EV but go on a cruise or flight making the effort a mute point in co2 reduction.

Industry and greed is the problem, not people.

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I just want the electric power to stay on! It's been off 3 times in the last 3 weeks, last night there was rain/wind but the other 2 times no bad weather. This is unusual for all the years we have lived here..... The first outage was for more then 6 hours starting at dinner time, no information given by Excel as to what the problem was.
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Ferrari eyes electric future with solar-powered factory​

Italian luxury carmaker Ferrari on Friday inaugurated a new solar-powered factory at the group's historic Maranello site, where its much anticipated wholly electric car should be produced from 2026.​

 

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Good chart - so roughly 1/3 of all global power generation comes from renewable sources today - and this will likely increase considerably over the next few decades - to the point where 75%-80% of all power production is renewable - along with the required mass energy storage arrays:

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Yes, 1/3 as long as you include hydropower and biomass which have been around for 100’s of years. Hydropower has always been a large producer of electricity. Not new. Geothermal is not new either. The new renewables Wind/solar much smaller percentage. And are unreliable. And require hydrocarbons as well to produce many of the components of wind turbines, solar panels and other exotic plastics used in EV’s…
 
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Yes, 1/3 as long as you include hydropower and biomass which have been around for 100’s of years. Hydropower has always been a large producer of electricity. Not new. Geothermal is not new either. The new renewables Wind/solar much smaller percentage. And are unreliable. And require hydrocarbons as well to produce many of the components of wind turbines, solar panels and other exotic plastics used in EV’s…

Intermittant "renewable sources" like wind and solar are both expensive and a threat to the grid. Hydro is a conventional power source that is dependable, and geothermal is a new power source that is dependable. Too much reliance on intermittant sources of power are a threat to grid stability and create a danger of blackouts.
 

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I'm 76, just bought a gas powered pickup. It'll probably last 20 years. I couldn't give a rat's behind what you people drive 20 years from now, I don't care what gender you want to be associated with, I don't care what wars you think are necessary, I don't care if you ponder if peanut butter is healthy or not. I'm retired and I'm going to enjoy the next 20 no matter what issue you think is going to save the planet from destruction.

Summer is coming, it's nearly gin and tonic season. How to make a proper one is something to ponder and discuss.
Hey...Try adding some Dark & Stormy to your summer G&T routine. That variety really suits me. Then we can argue over whether one should add bitters or lime juice to a D&S. I do, and I endorse it.
 

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A dead battery on an EV can be more problematic than on a conventional automobile.

FUD ... Some new ICE cars have electronic door handles.

Here is a more balanced article:

Interestingly, this sort of situation isn’t a Tesla-centric one. Plenty of modern cars, including gas-powered ones like the most recent versions of the Chevrolet Corvette. The lesson here then is clear. Those who own vehicles with an electronic door release need to know how to get into them efficiently should the battery die. If they don’t, a trapped child could be at serious risk depending on the circumstances.​

I have a GV70 and it is a pain in the a$$ when the battery is dead. There is an emergency key, but the keyhole is hidden AND the key is so small you need pliers to get enough leverage to unlock the door. Been there, done that. Fortunately, there was no baby in the car on a hot day.

Just like the Tesla, on the GV70, you have to get the hood open and put a booster on the jump terminals to get full access to the car.

ETA: I also had a Grand Prix coup which had a poorly designed lock actuator mechanism which the lobe that the internal lock/unlock latch sheared off. The only way to unlock the driver door was to use the electric lock/unlock buttons. The car locked the door when in drive going faster than 5 mph. This was OK EXCEPT for the fact that the battery was in the very front of the car, so in the event of a serious front collision, you would lose the battery and you would be trapped in the car. This part was sold out and not available new or from junk yards, so repair was not possible.

This is a case where a manufacturer wants to be new and cool, whiz bang, but the customers don't think through the consequences.

My Bolt EV has regular, mechanically actuated door handles and locks.
 
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I know some on here like to try to shoot the messenger, but the real messenger here is the 2024 MaKinsey and Co. Global Consumer Mobility Survey and its data.
If you RTFM of your cited zerohedge link, the original source was written for Epoch Times :rolleyes:

Here is a more balanced report of that survey from a more mainstream news outlet (Los Angeles Times News Service):
Early adopters, mainstream success, buyer’s remorse — where is the EV market headed?
 
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FUD ... Some new ICE cars have electronic door handles.

Here is a more balanced article:

Interestingly, this sort of situation isn’t a Tesla-centric one. Plenty of modern cars, including gas-powered ones like the most recent versions of the Chevrolet Corvette. The lesson here then is clear. Those who own vehicles with an electronic door release need to know how to get into them efficiently should the battery die. If they don’t, a trapped child could be at serious risk depending on the circumstances.​

I have a GV70 and it is a pain in the a$$ when the battery is dead. There is an emergency key, but the keyhole is hidden AND the key is so small you need pliers to get enough leverage to unlock the door. Been there, done that. Fortunately, there was no baby in the car on a hot day.

Just like the Tesla, on the GV70, you have to get the hood open and put a booster on the jump terminals to get full access to the car.

ETA: I also had a Grand Prix coup which had a poorly designed lock actuator mechanism which the lobe that the internal lock/unlock latch sheared off. The only way to unlock the driver door was to use the electric lock/unlock buttons. The car locked the door when in drive going faster than 5 mph. This was OK EXCEPT for the fact that the battery was in the very front of the car, so in the event of a serious front collision, you would lose the battery and you would be trapped in the car. This part was sold out and not available new or from junk yards, so repair was not possible.

This is a case where a manufacturer wants to be new and cool, whiz bang, but the customers don't think through the consequences.

My Bolt EV has regular, mechanically actuated door handles and locks.


My Honda Hybrid electric has mechanical actuated doors


Meanwhile, the government still allows dangerous GAS cars on the road !!!



Car catches on fire at Chevron gas station​


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If you RTFM of your cited zerohedge link, the original source was written for Epoch Times :rolleyes:

Here is a more balanced report of that survey from a more mainstream news outlet (Los Angeles Times News Service):
Early adopters, mainstream success, buyer’s remorse — where is the EV market headed?

The old shoot the messenger technique again????? The data was from the 2024 MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Mobility Survey and you want to whine about intermediate sources who published it?
 

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Those lithium batteries that power EV's are still a fire hazard. Not only have many electric cars and scooters spontaneously combusted, but so have large grid scale lithium backup batteries in Europe, Australia, America, and South Korea, and lithium battery manufacturing and storage facilities, the latest a battery plant in South Korea, killing 22 people in the process:

 

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How China Is Churning Out EVs Faster Than Everyone Else

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/how-china-is-churning-out-evs-faster-than-everyone-else-df316c71

China is speeding ahead in the electric-vehicle race. Riding the nation’s EV boom, upstart automakers have eclipsed foreign rivals to develop cars faster, push the boundaries of smart tech and swamp consumers with choice.

Chinese automakers are around 30% quicker in development than legacy manufacturers, industry executives say, largely because they have upended global practices built around decades of making complex combustion-engine cars. They work on many stages of development at once. They are willing to substitute traditional suppliers for smaller, faster ones. They run more virtual tests instead of time-consuming mechanical ones. And they are redefining when a car is ready to sell on the market.


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How China Is Churning Out EVs Faster Than Everyone Else

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/how-china-is-churning-out-evs-faster-than-everyone-else-df316c71

China is speeding ahead in the electric-vehicle race. Riding the nation’s EV boom, upstart automakers have eclipsed foreign rivals to develop cars faster, push the boundaries of smart tech and swamp consumers with choice.

Chinese automakers are around 30% quicker in development than legacy manufacturers, industry executives say, largely because they have upended global practices built around decades of making complex combustion-engine cars. They work on many stages of development at once. They are willing to substitute traditional suppliers for smaller, faster ones. They run more virtual tests instead of time-consuming mechanical ones. And they are redefining when a car is ready to sell on the market.


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China dominates manufacturing of many products. They do so because there are few restrictions to manufacturing and mining regarding processes and labor. Here in the USA it can take decades to open a mine because of risks caused by inflation. A mine costing millions today will cost millions more 5-10 years later. In China, all workers belong to a Chinese Government trade union. Most businesses are in some way owned by the Chinese Government. No one gets to bring lawsuits to hamper commerce except the Chinese Government.

Bill
 
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The old shoot the messenger technique again????? The data was from the 2024 MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Mobility Survey and you want to whine about intermediate sources who published it?
I have no issue with MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Mobility Survey. I do have issues with biased news sources like Epoch Times. The big lies always contain a grain of truth. The LA Times article cites a more balanced view of the survey.

I actually read multiple news sources from multiple countries to gain the widest view.

Every time I received the unsolicited Epoch Times in my mailbox, it went to line the bottom of the bird cage.
 

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I have no issue with MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Mobility Survey. I do have issues with biased news sources like Epoch Times. The big lies always contain a grain of truth. The LA Times article cites a more balanced view of the survey.

I actually read multiple news sources from multiple countries to gain the widest view.

Every time I received the unsolicited Epoch Times in my mailbox, it went to line the bottom of the bird cage.
The results of the survey are what matter. That is the 2024 MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Survery.. I pointed out when I posted it that someone would play shoot the messenger instead of responding to those survey results, and bingo, you did it.

There is no American media any more that is unbiased and almost none do real journalism where both sides are reported. Instead, "advocacy journalism" is the order of the day, and their is little difference between that and propaganda on either side. Each side is going to complain about the other's media. I read several UK newspapers online for that reason. Most of them still do real journalism, and the "advocacy journalism" virus has not taken hold so bad there.

Multiple polls show that trust in American media is in the toilet and those who read or watch it know it is biased. That is why I asked in my post to focus on the actual survey results, not a knee jerk reaction to who published them.
 

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China dominates manufacturing of many products. They do so because there are few restrictions to manufacturing and mining regarding processes and labor. Here in the USA it can take decades to open a mine because of risks caused by inflation. A mine costing millions today will cost millions more 5-10 years later. In China, all workers belong to a Chinese Government trade union. Most businesses are in some way owned by the Chinese Government. No one gets to bring lawsuits to hamper commerce except the Chinese Government.

Bill

The EU just put a big tariff on Chinesse EV's. China plays merchantilism by trying to undercut competitors until they are driven out of business and then when they control the market, raise the price.
 

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The results of the survey are what matter. That is the 2024 MacKenzie and Company Global Consumer Survery.. I pointed out when I posted it that someone would play shoot the messenger instead of responding to those survey results, and bingo, you did it.

There is no American media any more that is unbiased and almost none do real journalism where both sides are reported. Instead, "advocacy journalism" is the order of the day, and their is little difference between that and propaganda on either side. Each side is going to complain about the other's media. I read several UK newspapers online for that reason. Most of them still do real journalism, and the "advocacy journalism" virus has not taken hold so bad there.

Multiple polls show that trust in American media is in the toilet and those who read or watch it know it is biased. That is why I asked in my post to focus on the actual survey results, not a knee jerk reaction to who published them.
Thank you
 

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I know some on here like to try to shoot the messenger, but the real messenger here is the 2024 MaKinsey and Co. Global Consumer Mobility Survey and its data.
Polls are often pre determined and depend on the questions asked and the universe of those polled. I hadn't heard any complaints like are in the article so I thought I would look into the source. I see that it was written by someone from epoch times. Epoch Times has a pronounced anti environmental bent, tried to prove that there is no human involvement in the warming planet, and more. So knowing the source, and being an EV owner who spent months if not a year or more on all kinds of EV forums, with questions were posed about returning to ICE from EV, I found a few, very few owners that would. Most of the anti EV posts weren't by people owned an EV, rather people who just wanted to argue. I talked to one guy at a charging station that was frustrated about a number of things about his EV, but there was no way he was going to go back to ICE, but he might buy a different brand.
 
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