Wyndham salesman's lies to my friends

[rickandcindy23]

We have friends that visted WDW, stayed at Caribbean Beach and loved staying there. They have five kids but had their folks watch the kids for this trip. It was kind of a romantic trip without the kids.

They went on a pitch for Wyndham at Bonnet Creek, and they were told by two salespeople that Bonnet Creek owners and guests get all of the Disney benefits of FP+ and Early Magic Hours. That is not true, and I had a really tough time convincing my friends that the nice salesperson was lying. I cannot believe I had to have such a strange conversation about obvious lies. I told her to give me the name of the salesperson, so I could report him. They were going to call back and buy! Thank goodness they waited to talk to me, but even then, they didn't even believe what I was telling them.

 

[Fredflintstone]

We have friends that visted WDW, stayed at Caribbean Beach and loved staying there. They have five kids but had their folks watch the kids for this trip. It was kind of a romantic trip without the kids.

They went on a pitch for Wyndham at Bonnet Creek, and they were told by two salespeople that Bonnet Creek owners and guests get all of the Disney benefits of FP+ and Early Magic Hours. That is not true, and I had a really tough time convincing my friends that the nice salesperson was lying. I cannot believe I had to have such a strange conversation about obvious lies. I told her to give me the name of the salesperson, so I could report him. They were going to call back and buy! Thank goodness they waited to talk to me, but even then, they didn't even believe what I was telling them.

One must lie when they need to hose their victim.

Show your friends timesharenation.com where they can get a FREE timeshare. Maybe that will get them to hang up the phone.


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[CPNY]

One must lie when they need to hose their victim.

Show your friends timesharenation.com where they can get a FREE timeshare. Maybe that will get them to hang up the phone.


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How are the Wyndham locations? High TPU in RCI?

 

[Fredflintstone]

How are the Wyndham locations? High TPU in RCI?

Here’s a list of their current inventory. Just click by resort and look down at Wyndham. All free including closing and transfer. Some include free 2020 use.

Bulk List Inventory - Google Drive

docs.google.com

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[Jan M.]

If someone were to secretly record the Wyndham salespeople telling people they get the Disney benefits that might be enough to get the Disney lawyers talking to the Wyndham lawyers. I'm under the impression that Disney is very aggressive in protecting their name and products.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I don't know that Disney cares. They are really so above the fray.

WorldMark has been telling people kind of the same things. They keep saying they have a special in with Disney and if you buy WorldMark direct, you get exchanges ahead of others. I see that with Lawrence Welk, as reported here on TUG, but I have never seen anyone post 2 bedrooms at Animal Kingdom, for example, with WorldMark 10K points. So some systems (maybe just Welk) get that special benefit but not WorldMark owners.

 

[paxsarah]

How are the Wyndham locations? High TPU in RCI?

If you’re asking the value of Wyndham locations for exchanging in RCI, Wyndham points are not in the TPU system. They trade according to a fixed grid based on season and unit size, which generally makes it a good deal to trade into “expensive” resorts (for example, DVC or Manhattan Club), but less of a value for average, run of the mill resorts. For instance, I've got an upcoming exchange at Disney's Saratoga Springs, but any 1BR at any Orlando resort would have cost me the same number of Wyndham points for that week - some of which are just as nice or nicer than Disney, many of which are not, and none of which have the location or on-site perks for a Disney parks vacation.

 

[55plus]

Sales Weasels get away with their lies because of the disclaimer buried in the contract that states in so many words, any promises, statements, etc., are null and void if not included in writing in the purchase contract. If it's not in print it's moot.

 

[Braindead]

Show your friends timesharenation.com where they can get a FREE timeshare. Maybe that will get them to hang up the phone

Here’s a list of their current inventory. Just click by resort and look down at Wyndham. All free including closing and transfer. Some include free 2020 use.

Bulk List Inventory - Google Drive

docs.google.com

A word of caution on free Wyndham timeshares & timesharenation.com
Free is not always the best deals. Often free contracts have high MFs & may not be taken back by Ovations if you want out in a few years.
If you pay $6 per 1k points to purchase a contract at a low MF resort with MFs of $3 per 1k less than a free contract, that contract pays for itself in 2 years. Also it will likely still have value in a few years or will be eligible for Ovations. Attached is an example of what can happen with a free or for little cost contract.
It can turn into a pay me now or pay me later proposition.

 

[Xcalibur]

A word of caution on free Wyndham timeshares & timesharenation.com
Free is not always the best deals. Often free contracts have high MFs & may not be taken back by Ovations if you want out in a few years.
If you pay $6 per 1k points to purchase a contract at a low MF resort with MFs of $3 per 1k less than a free contract, that contract pays for itself in 2 years. Also it will likely still have value in a few years or will be eligible for Ovations. Attached is an example of what can happen with a free or for little cost contract.
It can turn into a pay me now or pay me later proposition.
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Always a price to 'free'!

Thanks!

 

[Fredflintstone]

A word of caution on free Wyndham timeshares & timesharenation.com
Free is not always the best deals. Often free contracts have high MFs & may not be taken back by Ovations if you want out in a few years.
If you pay $6 per 1k points to purchase a contract at a low MF resort with MFs of $3 per 1k less than a free contract, that contract pays for itself in 2 years. Also it will likely still have value in a few years or will be eligible for Ovations. Attached is an example of what can happen with a free or for little cost contract.
It can turn into a pay me now or pay me later proposition.
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From reviewing a few of them on the list, the MFs are the same amount as every other owner. There may be exceptions but I couldn’t find any.

Ovations? Well, if you think paying 20 k and up for a contract is worth that versus free, I suppose you can. Most timeshares lose 90 percent value plus right away. Free means zero percent loss. You can always give away your free timeshare too versus losing 20 k plus.

If you buy in California, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, I am confident the resorts will be amicable on deed back because you do have other options if you wish to take them.


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[HitchHiker71]

From reviewing a few of them on the list, the MFs are the same amount as every other owner. There may be exceptions but I couldn’t find any.

Ovations? Well, if you think paying 20 k and up for a contract is worth that versus free, I suppose you can. Most timeshares lose 90 percent value plus right away. Free means zero percent loss. You can always give away your free timeshare too versus losing 20 k plus.

If you buy in California, Florida, South Carolina, Colorado, I am confident the resorts will be amicable on deed back because you do have other options if you wish to take them.


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Many of the listings on TSN have been static for months because they have high MFs when compared to lower MF contracts. Braindead’s point is valid. Occasionally a listing will show up on TSN that has lower MFs and it lasts for a day or so at most before it’s gone.

He never was comparing a retail purchase vs a resale purchase - he was simply saying what I agree with - be careful with many of the listings on TSN as many of their listings are “free” because they are higher MF resale contracts that are difficult to get rid of even for free. I’ve seen the same thing from other timeshare resale companies such as Sumday that have free listings. Difficult to even give high MF contracts away. I know many owners with high MF resale contracts who haven’t been able to find anyone to give it away to because there is very little demand for high MF contracts out there.

Ovations will take back resale contracts as long as they are on the list of resorts that Wyndham wants back. It just won’t qualify for Ovation Limited Edition if it’s a resale contract.


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[Fredflintstone]

Many of the listings on TSN have been static for months because they have high MFs when compared to lower MF contracts. Braindead’s point is valid. Occasionally a listing will show up on TSN that has lower MFs and it lasts for a day or so at most before it’s gone.

He never was comparing a retail purchase vs a resale purchase - he was simply saying what I agree with - be careful with many of the listings on TSN as many of their listings are “free” because they are higher MF resale contracts that are difficult to get rid of even for free. I’ve seen the same thing from other timeshare resale companies such as Sumday that have free listings. Difficult to even give high MF contracts away. I know many owners with high MF resale contracts who haven’t been able to find anyone to give it away to because there is very little demand for high MF contracts out there.

Ovations will take back resale contracts as long as they are on the list of resorts that Wyndham wants back. It just won’t qualify for Ovation Limited Edition if it’s a resale contract.


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I see your point and his and they do have validity. I suppose my point is that free is best. You are right, you want the lowest MF possible to garner the greatest value. Even paying 3 to 6 dollars per thousand can be avoided if you scour for a free one. No need to be in a hurry to hook up with a timeshare, time is your friend

I totally agree you need to watch MF whether it’s retail, resale or free.


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[pedro47]

No you mean a timeshare sale person dId not tell the truth. His lips were moving and he never talked about maintenance fees or buying resell.
How dare that sell person.

 

[Fredflintstone]

No you mean a timeshare sale person do not tell the truth. His lips were moving and he never talked about maintenance fees or buying resell.
How dare that sell person.

Just from the few presentations I have attended, they only talked price (that kept dropping with each no from me). I can’t ever recall them telling me of the MF, special assessments, etc. That are attached to owning a TS unless I specifically asked. Even then the answer was hazy.


I would not expect them to talk about the resale market but would expect them to be truthful on all financial obligations attached to the TS with potential customers. On my last presentation, the sales guy even told me all I pay was the price agreed. He blushed when I asked about MF.


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[Fredflintstone]

Sales Weasels get away with their lies because of the disclaimer buried in the contract that states in so many words, any promises, statements, etc., are null and void if not included in writing in the purchase contract. If it's not in print it's moot.

Absolutely correct and here’s just one example (see bullet 2):

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[Timesharehater123!]

So, i have a weeks timeshare with Silverleaf Resorts. What is the best way to get rid of it? my monthly fees are 107.00 per month.

 

[cbyrne1174]

So, i have a weeks timeshare with Silverleaf Resorts. What is the best way to get rid of it? my monthly fees are 107.00 per month.

You're in the wrong section. This is for Wyndham. Your only choices are to default on it or find some sucker to take it. I don't think Silverleaf can be dumped very easily, it isn't a major brand so you're probably going to have to take a credit hit.

 

[Fredflintstone]

Wyndham’s sales practices has been smacked before the Courts a few times.

This Court verdict is very revealing.

https://dolanlawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Order-On-Post-Trial-Motions-20170310.pdf

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[Richelle]

You're in the wrong section. This is for Wyndham. Your only choices are to default on it or find some sucker to take it. I don't think Silverleaf can be dumped very easily, it isn't a major brand so you're probably going to have to take a credit hit.

They should call the resort first before walking away. Some resorts have deedback programs. Walking away should only be done when there are no other options. The owners of that resort have to pay for the lawyers and debt collection agencies to try and get payment. When that fails, the owners pay for the lawyers to foreclose on the property. They pay all of this in the form of their maintenance fees increasing. This is especially costly for owners of the smaller resorts because there are fewer owners to split the costs.

 

[HitchHiker71]

Wyndham’s sales practices has been smacked before the Courts a few times.

This Court verdict is very revealing.

https://dolanlawfirm.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Order-On-Post-Trial-Motions-20170310.pdf

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Thanks for the share. This court document all but proves IMHO what I’ve always said - plausible deniability is used to isolate the executive team - but they are all 100% aware of and indirectly - by doing nothing about any of it - approve of the miserable sales tactics employed. The case is dated March 2017 so it was a few years ago and certainly before the new CEO joined Wyndham - but old habits die hard. The ends still seem to justify the means.


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[Braindead]

The owners of that resort have to pay for the lawyers and debt collection agencies to try and get payment. When that fails, the owners pay for the lawyers to foreclose on the property. They pay all of this in the form of their maintenance fees increasing. This is especially costly for owners of the smaller resorts because there are fewer owners to split the costs.

Totally agree! Although a different poster in this thread has stated in other threads that the other owners do NOT pay.

 

[Richelle]

Totally agree! Although a different poster in this thread has stated in other threads that the other owners do NOT pay.

My response to that person would be, are the lawyers working for free? The resort has to come up with funds to pay their fees. Where else will they get the money from? Are they running an illegal casino in the basement?


I don’t expect people to know how businesses function. Just know that the money comes from somewhere. It doesn’t just magically appear. Unless they are running a brothel in one of their buildings, their main source of income is the owners.

 

[silentg]

Was your silver leaf resort bought by HICV? If so contact Holiday Inn CLub to see if they will do a deedback for you.

 

[Timesharehater123!]

Was your silver leaf resort bought by HICV? If so contact Holiday Inn CLub to see if they will do a deedback for you.

Yes, it was bought by HICV. I saw them today. they tried to get met convert to HICV for the mere price of $40,000 they will take my deed back and stick me with another one. But i will call and see if they would just take it back.