Wyndham Points Trading Power

[muskitties]

Please excuse this question from a true beginner. If I deposite 154,000 Wyndham points into RCI, does the location of my home resort impact my trading power? Or am I simply depositing points, so the location of my home resort is irrelevant?

I'm hoping to deposite 154,000 Wyndham points into RCI in order to get a two bed unit in San Francisco. Is this feasible? Is it possible if I "offered" more points?

Please share your thoughts. I'm tryiny to decide how many Wyndham points to purchase on ebay. Many thanks!

 

[bnoble]

I don't think a 2BR in SF via RCI is at all realistic, no matter how many points you deposit. Most SF sightings are for studios or maybe 1BRs, and you'll generally need a very strong trader to see even those.

When the Wyndham SF opens, it will have larger units, but expect them to be very expensive in terms of # of points to book. You might be better off looking at WorldMark, which also has resort there.

 

[lprstn]

I don't know if you will get that one.

 

[muskitties]

I hate to ask the obvious question, but why not? Is it that 154,000 Wyndham points has little trade value for people with 2 bedroom units in desirable locations such as San Francisco? If so, are there any west coast two bedroom timeshares that I could get by exchanging a 154,000 Wyndham points through RCI? How about Monterey?

Before I buy more Wyndham points, I'm trying to figure out how useful RCI is for people like me who need two bedroom units.

Thank you all for your valuable information!

 

[lprstn]

Wyndham or any other resort trading is a challenge when you are seeking to trade into a unit that is hard to get do to high demand and low availability. Unless you are doing an ongoing search way way in advance (I'd say 1 yr to 1.5 yrs in advance). Wyndham have traded well for me, but I also have a Sheraton I have used to pull good trades then actually book it with my Wyndham.

 

[kathyj0205]

Nightly stays

You might try nightly stays in SF. I don't think there are 2 BDs but maybe you could do 2 units.

 

[bnoble]

There are two problems.

The first problem is that you can't exchange for what ain't there. We have folks searching RCI's inventory daily for these areas, both here and at TS4M. 2BR units in SF just aren't common---owners are more likely to use the time themselves, or rent the unit out. Both provide better value than exchanging. You could have the best tiger in the system and still have trouble getting a 2BR in SF.

The second problem is that Wyndham points are okay traders, but not tigers, because of the way points are valued. Generic weeks' trading values are averaged across the units Wyndham deposits to back them. Wyndham chooses all such deposits, and it chooses them from the leftovers after the owners get a month or two to reserve internally in FairShare Plus. That means the weeks with the highest demand in FSP stay in FSP, and the weeks with lower demand in FSP are the ones that go to RCI. Naturally, FSP's leftovers are also likely to be in low demand for everyone else, and consequently generic weeks are not particularly strong traders.

FSP RCI deposits do have their place---they can be great values going into over-deposited areas, off-season, last-minute, or other Wyndham resorts, because you can deposit in increments as small as 28K points to get these things. But, FSP is lousy for those really prime weeks in prime locations.

 

[muskitties]

So I can place FSP points into RCI and trade them for other Wyndham FSP resorts? Do people do this in order to prevent their FSP points from expiring after the use year?

 

[Jya-Ning]

So I can place FSP points into RCI and trade them for other Wyndham FSP resorts?

If they are deposited by Wyndham to RCI week inventory, you can do that

Do people do this in order to prevent their FSP points from expiring after the use year?

I can think several reasons
1. Wyndham does not have resorts in places you want to go.
2. The point is going to expired
3. Some places is more benefits to do that.
4. people have no idea what RCI is, and play it around


Jya-Ning

 

[bnoble]

3. Some places is more benefits to do that.

To amplify on this point: it is sometimes possible to exchange into a unit with an effective cost that is lower than booking internally.

For example, last year I booked a 2BR at Smoky Mountains in Week 34 (right before Labor Day). To book this internally, I would have needed 166K points. It might have been discounted at 45 days to 125K or so. I booked it through RCI with a 28K blue studio. Even with the exchange fee, that's a hefty discount.

 

[jercal10]

I'll second that. The back door can be cheaper.

 

[theo]

A "Wyndham Points" clarification question...

Wyndham points are okay traders, but not tigers, because of the way points are valued.

Wyndham chooses all such deposits, and it chooses them from the leftovers after the owners get a month or two to reserve internally in FairShare Plus.
That means the weeks with the highest demand in FSP stay in FSP, and the weeks with lower demand in FSP are the ones that go to RCI.

FSP RCI deposits do have their place---they can be great values going into over-deposited areas, off-season, last-minute, or other Wyndham resorts, because you can deposit in increments as small as 28K points to get these things.

Please forgive my obvious ignorance on the subject, but in following this interesting thread I find myself asking:

Are "Wyndham Points" and "Fairshare Plus Points" one and the same thing, just being described in slightly different words.... or are they instead actually two totally different and unrelated Wyndham "currencies"?

 

[bnoble]

Wyndham's points product is called "FairShare Plus"---so, one and the same. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Conan]

My experience depositing Wyndham FSP points into RCI Weeks is that 70,000 to 105,000 will get you everything that Wyndham FSP points can "see" in RCI Weeks.

What they can and can't "see" is hard to predict, so you have to try.

We've gotten Kona Hawaiian Village, Grand Mayan Nuevo Vallarta, La Casella in Italy, Antigua Village Beach Club, Casa del Mar Aruba and Village Cascais Portugal.

But we were refused Coral Sands Resort Grand Cayman even though another Weeks trader could see it.

 

[acesneights]

Try SFX for SF

You can probably get SF through SFX using their 3 for 1 special. You deposit a prime WYN week and use the bonus week and the deposit to get 2 units in SF. You will have a Mexico bonus week left over. Cost you around 70-105K FSP to make a prime 2009 deposit.

Almost a certain trade vs. a trying for a World Series grand slam homer through RCI.

Stan

 

[rmatarrese]

Does size matter to SFX

Stan, I think he was wanting a 2BR, so wouldnt SFX require a 2br deposit which would be more like 154k minimum for a prime week that SFX would take? Or does size not matter to SFX?

You can probably get SF through SFX using their 3 for 1 special. You deposit a prime WYN week and use the bonus week and the deposit to get 2 units in SF. You will have a Mexico bonus week left over. Cost you around 70-105K FSP to make a prime 2009 deposit.

Almost a certain trade vs. a trying for a World Series grand slam homer through RCI.

Stan

 

[acesneights]

Stan, I think he was wanting a 2BR, so wouldnt SFX require a 2br deposit which would be more like 154k minimum for a prime week that SFX would take? Or does size not matter to SFX?

You're getting a little out of my certainty zone, but I think you can pay an upgrade fee to get a 2BR if available and you have a Platinum membership

I was thinking 2BR was a very long shot, so I was proposing two 1BR units using the deposit and the bonus week.

There always RCI EV ;-) for about the same $$.

Stan