• Welcome to the FREE TUGBBS forums! The absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 32 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 32 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 32nd anniversary: Happy 32nd Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    All subscribers auto-entered to win all free TUG membership giveaways!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $24,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $24 Million dollars
  • Wish you could meet up with other TUG members? Well look no further as this annual event has been going on for years in Orlando! How to Attend the TUG January Get-Together!
  • Now through the end of the year you can join or renew your TUG membership at the lowest price ever offered! Learn More!
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    Tens of thousands of subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

Wyndham is closing a handful of legacy resorts - dedicated chart/tracker located in the first post for this unfolding set of events

So many questions on how Wyndham will handle the close outs!
Will they burn up the funds and short the owners or max the funds for owners?
I was a long time OIRC owner and watching to see how they settle my old resort out.
The auction was completed and the sale approved on 5/5/2026 yet still no word on what each owner may get..
This should have been closed and settled already. Anyone have any info?
This is could give us a better idea of how all of these closures will proceed.. Thanks!
The bankruptcy court has to approve expenditures so "burning up the funds" is unlikely. Also, since Wyndham is a majority owner, Wyndham's interest is aligned with yours and mine.
 
So many questions on how Wyndham will handle the close outs!
Will they burn up the funds and short the owners or max the funds for owners?
I was a long time OIRC owner and watching to see how they settle my old resort out.
The auction was completed and the sale approved on 5/5/2026 yet still no word on what each owner may get..
This should have been closed and settled already. Anyone have any info?
This is could give us a better idea of how all of these closures will proceed.. Thanks!
It took me five minutes to check documents on the omni site and use the back of my envelope to determine the following:
Sales price approved at $8,100,000
Each interval comprises 0.0305% of the total ownership
The resort has cash on hand of $4,275,238.38 as of 6/30.

So leaving the cash on hand out of it and assuming that will cover the remaining professional fees and sales commissions, each interval should get the owner $2,470.50. (If there's more cash left, I would assume that also gets distributed according to the same percentages.) But it will all move at the pace the bankruptcy court moves.
 
It took me five minutes to check documents on the omni site and use the back of my envelope to determine the following:
Sales price approved at $8,100,000
Each interval comprises 0.0305% of the total ownership
The resort has cash on hand of $4,275,238.38 as of 6/30.

So leaving the cash on hand out of it and assuming that will cover the remaining professional fees and sales commissions, each interval should get the owner $2,470.50. (If there's more cash left, I would assume that also gets distributed according to the same percentages.) But it will all move at the pace the bankruptcy court moves.
That would be nice, even after paying capital gains tax. I have two intervals that cost me a total (all in) of $2.00.

Does this account for the swaps to CWA?
 
It took me five minutes to check documents on the omni site and use the back of my envelope to determine the following:
Sales price approved at $8,100,000
Each interval comprises 0.0305% of the total ownership
The resort has cash on hand of $4,275,238.38 as of 6/30.

So leaving the cash on hand out of it and assuming that will cover the remaining professional fees and sales commissions, each interval should get the owner $2,470.50. (If there's more cash left, I would assume that also gets distributed according to the same percentages.) But it will all move at the pace the bankruptcy court moves.
While someone insignificant, that approved sales price probably hasn't taken into consideration certain closing costs and real estate commission. I would expect those professional fees to come out of the sales price rather than cash on hand. Though in the end, the number provided is probably in the general ballpark of an expected payout.
 
Does this account for the swaps to CWA?
Didn't the deeds from CWA swaps go to Wyndham? CWA swaps doesn't change the fractional percentage ownership of each interest. It remains at the 0.0305%.
 
That would be nice, even after paying capital gains tax. I have two intervals that cost me a total (all in) of $2.00.

Does this account for the swaps to CWA?
It shouldn't change the number of intervals or the percentage, just that Wyndham gets the 0.0305% for each of the swapped contracts instead of the owner.
While someone insignificant, that approved sales price probably hasn't taken into consideration certain closing costs and real estate commission. I would expect those professional fees to come out of the sales price rather than cash on hand. Though in the end, the number provided is probably in the general ballpark of an expected payout.
I kind of figured money was fungible. Most of the cash on hand is reserves and I can only assume it will also go back to the owners who originally paid into it, so I just figured the funds on hand would more than cover the selling expenses, (note that other professionals like the attorneys are already being paid I think monthly, so there won't be a lump sum due at the end) leaving the full sale amount to be divided. I look at $2470 as a minimum, really.
 
There are a lot of people especially on Facebook who think the payouts will be pennies if anything. And while there still could be a resort or two that takes a long time to sell and burns through those reserves, I don't think the "pennies" contingent has looked at the remaining reserves totals for these resorts. I think the assumption is that oh, by the time we pay the lawyers and everything there will be hardly anything left to divide between the owners - but the lawyers are being paid already out of the reserves, and at least with OIRC, there are still millions remaining on hand.

Spot checking another one that had some hiccups previously along the way, Patriots Place has over $6 million on hand and filed a notice of successful bidder for $16.3 million.

I started spot checking Skyline Tower but I got bogged down in reading some delulu objections filed by some individual owners. But it has $4+ million on hand and a successful bid of $18 million.
 
There are a lot of people especially on Facebook who think the payouts will be pennies if anything. And while there still could be a resort or two that takes a long time to sell and burns through those reserves, I don't think the "pennies" contingent has looked at the remaining reserves totals for these resorts. I think the assumption is that oh, by the time we pay the lawyers and everything there will be hardly anything left to divide between the owners - but the lawyers are being paid already out of the reserves, and at least with OIRC, there are still millions remaining on hand.

Spot checking another one that had some hiccups previously along the way, Patriots Place has over $6 million on hand and filed a notice of successful bidder for $16.3 million.

I started spot checking Skyline Tower but I got bogged down in reading some delulu objections filed by some individual owners. But it has $4+ million on hand and a successful bid of $18 million.
Agreed - there's a ton of misinformation in the FB groups - we get some of that here as well but not nearly as much since the average TUGGER is pretty savvy with timeshares and in life in general it seems. Curious, on the PP item, I wonder if that $6 million reserve balance includes the big expenditure that was approved earlier this year, IIRC somewhere around $3 million, to continue and finish construction projects or something?
 
Agreed - there's a ton of misinformation in the FB groups - we get some of that here as well but not nearly as much since the average TUGGER is pretty savvy with timeshares and in life in general it seems. Curious, on the PP item, I wonder if that $6 million reserve balance includes the big expenditure that was approved earlier this year, IIRC somewhere around $3 million, to continue and finish construction projects or something?
The easiest way for me to check this was to find the earliest small business operating report. At the start of December 2025, the opening balance was $16.4 million. At the end of June 2026, the ending balance was $6.4 million. So a big drawdown, but it is under contract now so hopefully it will move along towards finality.
 
Didn't the deeds from CWA swaps go to Wyndham? CWA swaps doesn't change the fractional percentage ownership of each interest. It remains at the 0.0305%.

Come to think of it, that's right!!
 
There are a lot of people especially on Facebook who think the payouts will be pennies if anything. And while there still could be a resort or two that takes a long time to sell and burns through those reserves, I don't think the "pennies" contingent has looked at the remaining reserves totals for these resorts. I think the assumption is that oh, by the time we pay the lawyers and everything there will be hardly anything left to divide between the owners - but the lawyers are being paid already out of the reserves, and at least with OIRC, there are still millions remaining on hand.

Spot checking another one that had some hiccups previously along the way, Patriots Place has over $6 million on hand and filed a notice of successful bidder for $16.3 million.

I started spot checking Skyline Tower but I got bogged down in reading some delulu objections filed by some individual owners. But it has $4+ million on hand and a successful bid of $18 million.

"Delulu" -- I love it!
 
The easiest way for me to check this was to find the earliest small business operating report. At the start of December 2025, the opening balance was $16.4 million. At the end of June 2026, the ending balance was $6.4 million. So a big drawdown, but it is under contract now so hopefully it will move along towards finality.
Certainly seems as though the multi-million dollar construction project expense was absorbed already - or at least I certainly hope it was...
 
The easiest way for me to check this was to find the earliest small business operating report. At the start of December 2025, the opening balance was $16.4 million. At the end of June 2026, the ending balance was $6.4 million. So a big drawdown, but it is under contract now so hopefully it will move along towards finality.
If the money was still owed to contractors and suppliers, it would have been listed in the outstanding debts in the BK filing.
 
This strategy kept maintenance fees down and allowed the resorts to last far longer than they otherwise would have. It was in Wyndham's best interest to keep the resorts going, until the default rate exceeded their ability to resell intervals (as points)
This is a good point and I think it gets overlooked. Wyndham may even have been losing money on the whole deal if they were paying full maintenance fees on all the intervals they acquired. Hard to sell memberships in a closed resort.
 
I also don't see how points owners get less entitlements
Easy. I have a guaranteed property on a specific week. If Wyndham rents it out under me, which they did twice during my ownership, they're violating the terms of the deed. I was reimbursed for every single night I was not in my deeded property.

On a points program? Oh well, you're somewhere on the resort you asked for but you don't have an exact entitlement to that one specific unit. It's subject to availability, but with my interval I was never supposed to be subject to that.

Also, I never risked losing my week. Lots of stories here about people having points expire on them even when they paid their points version of Maintenance Fees.
 
Easy. I have a guaranteed property on a specific week. If Wyndham rents it out under me, which they did twice during my ownership, they're violating the terms of the deed. I was reimbursed for every single night I was not in my deeded property.

On a points program? Oh well, you're somewhere on the resort you asked for but you don't have an exact entitlement to that one specific unit. It's subject to availability, but with my interval I was never supposed to be subject to that.

Also, I never risked losing my week. Lots of stories here about people having points expire on them even when they paid their points version of Maintenance Fees.
As i mentioned, the specific unit is the only "extra" of fixed week vs points. As for expiring, your use right "expires" every year, and then renews the following year, just like points if you don't use it
 
Each interval comprises 0.0305% of the total ownership
Will this be different with Shawnee where there are one or two bedroom units? I just assumed we might be getting a slightly smaller cut than my in-laws because they had a 2-bedroom on the same week as our 1-bedroom.

The points program values were less. I would've had to pay more than what my in-laws maintenance fees were just to upgrade to a two bedroom for the week so we never did it.
 
Will this be different with Shawnee where there are one or two bedroom units? I just assumed we might be getting a slightly smaller cut than my in-laws because they had a 2-bedroom on the same week as our 1-bedroom.

The points program values were less. I would've had to pay more than what my in-laws maintenance fees were just to upgrade to a two bedroom for the week so we never did it.
The governing documents will indicate the fractional share for each unit or unit type. It would certainly be very likely that the 1BR will have a smaller fractional share than the 2BR.
 
Will this be different with Shawnee where there are one or two bedroom units? I just assumed we might be getting a slightly smaller cut than my in-laws because they had a 2-bedroom on the same week as our 1-bedroom.

The points program values were less. I would've had to pay more than what my in-laws maintenance fees were just to upgrade to a two bedroom for the week so we never did it.
Yes, each resort, or each HOA within a resort, will have different percentages depending on the makeup of the units. Orlando International is easy because they're all 2BRs. I found the figure in the "Voluntary Petition" document which seems to be one of the earliest documents filed in each of the bankruptcy cases, which lists all of the owners as "equity security holders" and their share of ownership.
 
On a points program? Oh well, you're somewhere on the resort you asked for but you don't have an exact entitlement to that one specific unit.
As I wrote before, this is absolutely untrue for a converted week that is fixed-week/fixed-unit. Such points ownerships have exclusive ARP rights to the underlying week/unit.
 
Has there been any progress on shawnee (PA). I cant find anything on the omni site.
 
pehaps taking the renting discussion to a separate thread is warranted as it has nothing to do with this topic.
 
pehaps taking the renting discussion to a separate thread is warranted as it has nothing to do with this topic.
Already done - was in the process when you posted this. :cool:
 
Top