Will Bluegreen points trade in Hilton max 1 for 1?

[alexinorlando]

Does anyone know if Bluegreen points are equal to Hilton points within Max? Or will there be an exchange rate, and if so what is it?

 

[dayooper]

Does anyone know if Bluegreen points are equal to Hilton points within Max? Or will there be an exchange rate, and if so what is it?

That’s the question. HGVC points were changed to match DRI so who knows.

It may be moot anyway. Mark Wang said they were going to integrate BlueGreen into the two sides with the majority going to HVC/DRI.

 

[GT75]

It may be moot anyway. Mark Wang said they were going to integrate BlueGreen into the two sides with the majority going to HVC/DRI.

That doesn't answer the OPs question. At this time, I don't think that we know if points will be equal between all systems or if an adjustment will be made. There haven't been any details released on the integration.

btw, just because a BG resort is rebranded as either an HVC or HGVC resort, it doesn't mean that the resort will be integrated into that system. I expect that BG will be a separate system altogether. I also expect that if a BG member makes an additional developer purchase then they will be able to exchange into HGVC or HVC/DRI resorts at the 6-month mark via HGVMax.

 

[alexinorlando]

I figured. I was just wondering if anyone who did a recent Bluegreen presentation heard anything or saw a points exchange grid. You would think this info would need to be clear if someone is upgrading to “Max”. If they are selling “Max” upgrades to current Bluegreen owners this would need to be clarified and understood.

If was a current Bluegreen owner and I made a new purchase to have access to the HGVC and HVC properties I would want to understand if my current points will exchange equally within those other systems.

So if this is not figured out and disclosed , shame on Hilton.

 

[SmithOp]

So if this is not figured out and disclosed , shame on Hilton.

We get people coming here that don't understand what they have purchased from Hilton sales staff, thinking they own HGVC deeded points but were sold HVC trust collections points. It's a cluster cluck right now integrating the various systems.

 

[GT75]

I figured. I was just wondering if anyone who did a recent Bluegreen presentation heard anything or saw a points exchange grid. You would think this info would need to be clear if someone is upgrading to “Max”. If they are selling “Max” upgrades to current Bluegreen owners this would need to be clarified and understood.

Yes, someone would think that should be the case but it isn't. This is the same playbook that HGV used when rolling out HGVMax to HGVC and HVC/DRI members. What this does is allow the salespeople to say whatever they want (like more lies than normal) because the rules haven't even been stated. And like @SmithOp said, HGV has made this so confusing which I believe is on purpose. It seems that retail buyers are being told that they were sold HGVMax when in fact they are being sold either HGVC, HC, HVC, or Embarc with ability to exchange in the other clubs via HGVMax. SO (IMO) HGVMax is not the club that they are being sold. HGVMax will not transfer on resale, so it isn't the club.

 

[BGSCownersinFL07]

no it doesn't match up. they want you to sell whatever you have back to them at the price you pd for it, not included interest or anything and then they want you to purchase it HGV Max at over 3 times that total, then they subtract your purchase value and you end up giving them double for something you already paid for. we have a deed from 2007 and it just galls them when we tell them NO! All the blood sweat and tears of getting suckered in, no way are we gonna do that again. And if you tell them no CREDIT Check they pressure you

 

[GrayFal]

Here is the FAQ regarding Max from the BG website.
There is currently no mention of the crossover grid point values or how it would work.
As of 11/16, all retail BG points sales will have access to Max When it is rolled out end of 2025.

HGV Max Frequently Asked Questions 11/16/24

What is HGV Max? HGV Max is a membership program that gives Members access to more properties in more destinations and discounts across the Hilton portfolio. How do I become an HGV Max Member? To become an HGV Max Member, you must make an eligible purchase. Visit a Sales Gallery on your next...

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[alexinorlando]

Just to update this thread.

Based on some research (have not been able to fully verify).

It appears the Bluegreen points are going to exchange at 1.43 (Bluegreen points) to 1 (Hilton Timeshare points HGVC & HVC).

When I compare the points charts. This exchange rate seems about right.

So when a Bluegreen member who trades into other Hilton Max locations the required points will be 1.43 times higher.

And so I believe when a current HGVC member with max wants to trade into a current Bluegreen property it will be 1.43 times lower (the current Bluegreen points requirement).

 

[GT75]

My advice to BG members is not to succumb to HGVMax. Most HGVC members who did buy into HGVMax are very disappointed with the cross-over access available in the other system. If you want access to the Legacy HGVC resorts, make a resale Legacy HGVC purchase and get full access. If you wish to access the former 9 Embarc resorts (many of them have been rebranded as HGVC) make a resale Embarc purchase. A resale Legacy HGVC deed will have almost all of the same rights as a developer purchase (it normally won't qualify for elite status). IMO, I would be very careful in purchasing resale HVC/DRI and I don't recommend it unless someone fully understands the limitations.

I think that this statement from @cd5 is much better than I am at stating what HGV is doing. If you listen to the HGV investor calls, this is what you will hear is being told to the investors.

I think the whole point is to sell developer deeds or points - they periodically need something "shiny & new" to motivate sales and this is the current version. After all, it's basically a very expensive exchange scheme with almost assuredly less availability than RCI or Interval. It's just an "excuse" to make buying more Hilton, DRI, Embarc or BG more attractive. Many who do buy in are disappointed because it really doesn't match their aspirations and is a very expensive letdown.

 

[GrayFal]

My advice to BG members is not to succumb to HGVMax. Most HGVC members who did buy into HGVMax are very disappointed with the cross-over access available in the other system. If you want access to the Legacy HGVC resorts, make a resale Legacy HGVC purchase and get full access. If you wish to access the former 9 Embarc resorts (many of them have been rebranded as HGVC) make a resale Embarc purchase. A resale Legacy HGVC deed will have almost all of the same rights as a developer purchase (it normally won't qualify for elite status). IMO, I would be very careful in purchasing resale HVC/DRI and I don't recommend it unless someone fully understands the limitations.

I think that this statement from @cd5 is much better than I am at stating what HGV is doing. If you listen to the HGV investor calls, this is what you will hear is being told to the investors.

I agree with you and @cd5 - that there are better ways to access HGVC resorts Using RCI ( which is included in our BG ownership) I have exchanged into Hilton Hawai’i resorts and Las Vegas Resorts Many times 1+ years in advance and not have to hope to get the leftovers at 6 months out. BG books at 11months and for any popular resort at a popular time of year there isn’t much availability at the 6 month mark. I imagine it is the same on the Hilton side.
BG has fairly ( used to be very) reasonable bonus time rates at 42/45 days out which many low point owners utilize to stretch their points but now that will be diluted by all the MAX members who will also have access.
The only winner here is Hilton Corporation.

 

[GrayFal]

Just to update this thread.

Based on some research (have not been able to fully verify).

It appears the Bluegreen points are going to exchange at 1.43 (Bluegreen points) to 1 (Hilton Timeshare points HGVC & HVC).

When I compare the points charts. This exchange rate seems about right.

So when a Bluegreen member who trades into other Hilton Max locations the required points will be 1.43 times higher.

And so I believe when a current HGVC member with max wants to trade into a current Bluegreen property it will be 1.43 times lower (the current Bluegreen points requirement).

Only Time (or the next management announcement) Will Tell

 

[GT75]

BG books at 11months and for any popular resort at a popular time of year there isn’t much availability at the 6 month mark. I imagine it is the same on the Hilton side.

Correct for the HGVC side also except that our club season begins at the 9-month mark. By the 6-month mark, one would only have the leftovers. I keep forgetting about RCI but that is a very good point. Some of us Legacy HGVC members now have access to DEX (which is a DRI exchange system). I am so far very impressed with the availability of the former Embarc and HVC/DRI resorts in the DEX system.

 

[GrayFal]

Correct for the HGVC side also except that our club season begins at the 9-month mark. By the 6-month mark, one would only have the leftovers. I keep forgetting about RCI but that is a very good point. Some of us Legacy HGVC members now have access to DEX (which is a DRI exchange system). I am so far very impressed with the availability of the former Embarc and HVC/DRI resorts in the DEX system.

When you say “club season” is that when you can use your points to book any HGVC, I am assuming you can reserve at your deeded resort sooner? (Similar to Vistana)

With BG, you can reserve your PUP priority use period 13-11 months out however 95% of owners don’t know about PUP.
So all reservations open to all owners at 11 months.

 

[GT75]

When you say “club season” is that when you can use your points to book any HGVC, I am assuming you can reserve at your deeded resort sooner? (Similar to Vistana)

Yes, you understand correctly but we can book most resorts at the 9-month mark. There are a few resorts (I think two in HI) which have a shorter club booking window. Prior to 9-months we can only book our Home Week {HW} (this may be similar to BG PUP) which is exactly what we own (our deeded) in the season, specific unit type, and for the week starting on the check-in date for that particular resort (most of them are Saturdays but a few Fridays and Sundays). Most HGVC TUG members never use their HW and only use their points. I book a few resorts that are hard to get using my HW such as winter skiing (Valdoro Mtn. Lodge in Breckenridge, CO and Sunrise Mtn Lodge in Park City, Utah) and Ocean Oak (Hilton Head Island). Of course, using our HW also means that we must own there at that resort in the proper season, and unit type.

 

[GrayFal]

Yes, you understand correctly but we can book most resorts at the 9-month mark. There are a few resorts (I think two in HI) which have a shorter club booking window. Prior to 9-months we can only book our Home Week {HW} (this may be similar to BG PUP) which is exactly what we own (our deeded) in the season, specific unit type, and for the week starting on the check-in date for that particular resort (most of them are Saturdays but a few Fridays and Sundays). Most HGVC TUG members never use their HW and only use their points. I book a few resorts that are hard to get using my HW such as winter skiing (Valdoro Mtn. Lodge in Breckenridge, CO and Sunrise Mtn Lodge in Park City, Utah) and Ocean Oak (Hilton Head Island). Of course, using our HW also means that we must own there at that resort in the proper season, and unit type.

This is how Vistana is set up. Home resort Resies 12 months out 7 day Resies, at 8 months you can book all other resorts with your points.for up to 21 days.

 

[sponger76]

Prior to 9-months we can only book our Home Week {HW} (this may be similar to BG PUP) which is exactly what we own (our deeded) in the season, specific unit type, and for the week starting on the check-in date for that particular resort (most of them are Saturdays but a few Fridays and Sundays).

Somewhat similar, except BG's PUP doesn't have seasons, it's fixed.

 

[GrayFal]

Somewhat similar, except BG's PUP doesn't have seasons, it's fixed.

@GT75 Yes, specific unit and days/week.
I used to own 01444BI
week one unit 444B Saturday check in at La Cabana

 

[GT75]

Somewhat similar, except BG's PUP doesn't have seasons, it's fixed.

Well, we have some fixed week/units resorts and also floating weeks in season. I gave you the floating week version. I like the floating week both for HW and club booking because that gives me flexibility depending on what I am trying to schedule. Fix week version is nice if you want to show up on the same week each year.

 

[sponger76]

Well, we have some fixed week/units resorts and also floating weeks in season. I gave you the floating week version. I like the floating week both for HW and club booking because that gives me flexibility depending on what I am trying to schedule. Fix week version is nice if you want to show up on the same week each year.

Yeah, a bunch of timeshare companies have both fixed and floating weeks, including Marriott and Vistana (Sheraton/Westin). BG is purely fixed for PUPs, any floating is done via the use of points.