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Why you should never use a hot air hand dryer in a public restroom

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This assumes that the person doesn't wash their hands again somewhere else later on. That petri dish in the experiment was left overnight for the bacteria to grow. Most people would have washed their hands within that same timeframe and removed much of the bacteria anyway. Bacteria is a fact of life. While it may sound gross, you are exposed to it in everything you do.
 

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I'm pretty sure it also sprays around viruses etc - but they're cheaper for businesses than paper towels that don't spread all that around. Sadly I find everything about those hand dryers to be worse than paper towels.
 

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TikTok... Figures. Where all wise people go to for scientific information.

Scientific explanations in under 30 seconds for those who have a short attention span. Kind of like a commercial.

Bill
 

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Scientific explanations in under 30 seconds for those who have a short attention span. Kind of like a commercial.

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I was in a meeting at work today about IT security and they were talking about rolling out a new device registered biometric alternative to 2FA. It takes a little registration of the computer or phone you want to register and needs software pushed or installed. Apparently the feedback they've gotten is "it's a lot of text". To which I guess the comment was a sheepish "yea I guess people don't like to read now". Which ... is just... absurd especially at research universities.
 

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It takes a little registration of the computer or phone you want to register
Well, the question is "Do people WANT to register for this?" or is this just another thing to shove down their throats? another solution looking for a problem.
I need to bio-register my phone? Yeah, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
 

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Well, the question is "Do people WANT to register for this?" or is this just another thing to shove down their throats? another solution looking for a problem.
I need to bio-register my phone? Yeah, suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure
Well, the proximate reason is people getting phished and apparently Duo Fatigued such that they get their paychecks stolen electronically via direct deposit redirects. So IDK, I want to not have my paycheck go away lol. But also a lot of it has to do with Federal requirements to get grants, so another way for their paycheck to disappear if we stop being eligible. Maybe they ought to just say "Want to keep getting paid? Register for this" but IDK lol.

EDIT: and I think a lot of this is a lot of work and complication because we can't get people to stop giving away their passwords to criminals. And apparently then will click anything to make the 2FA prompts stop.
 

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I want to not have my paycheck go away
Are you one of the people who have a problem using your phone securely or are you just pretending?
The whole thing reminds me of about 25 yrs ago, working at a Wall St firm who will remain anonymous because, damn, they should be embarrassed. I won't go into the details that make this much worse than it sounds. The high-level: there was this receptionist who would read every email she got and click on every link. She frequently opened viruses, and the IT Dept's "solution" when this happened was to take down the entire network, til ... TBD.
The obvious solution, which I told the CEO "Take away her PC. How difficult is that?"
Their "solution": lots of hand-wringing and network taking downing.
 

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Scientific explanations in under 30 seconds for those who have a short attention span. Kind of like a commercial.

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"Scientific." :ROFLMAO:
 

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TikTok... Figures. Where all wise people go to for scientific information.
Tiktok "scientist" with fake name Science compares air samples supposedly taken in a laboratory to those in a public bathroom. Results at 11.

Spoiler: Air in lab is much cleaner than the public bathroom.

More internet science for the dumb-masses (say that 3x fast), tin foil extra.
 

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Tiktok "scientist" with fake name Science compares air samples supposedly taken in a laboratory to those in a public bathroom. Results at 11.

Spoiler: Air in lab is much cleaner than the public bathroom.

More internet science for the dumb-masses (say that 3x fast), tin foil extra.
From the article: To make it a fair test she also collected bacteria from the atomosphere in her laboratory, and left both samples overnight.

How exactly is that a fair test? Or did they just type it wrong? We know they can't spell atmosphere.
 

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From the article: To make it a fair test she also collected bacteria from the atomosphere in her laboratory, and left both samples overnight.

How exactly is that a fair test? Or did they just type it wrong? We know they can't spell atmosphere.
I mean it is a Tiktok scientist and all.

I once collected a sample of my dog's water bowl, and compared it to a sterile saline solution. I'll be posting on TT soon so 2.5M people can view the results.
 

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Are you one of the people who have a problem using your phone securely or are you just pretending?
The whole thing reminds me of about 25 yrs ago, working at a Wall St firm who will remain anonymous because, damn, they should be embarrassed. I won't go into the details that make this much worse than it sounds. The high-level: there was this receptionist who would read every email she got and click on every link. She frequently opened viruses, and the IT Dept's "solution" when this happened was to take down the entire network, til ... TBD.
The obvious solution, which I told the CEO "Take away her PC. How difficult is that?"
Their "solution": lots of hand-wringing and network taking downing.
I think you misunderstand me - I have no problem with using my phone or computer without getting phished, in fact as far as I'm aware my entire department doesn't have issues with this and hasn't for over a decade. However, I don't get to set the rules for the rest of the organization. I was just pointing out that if I were asked by someone else "why do we want this?" I'd say you probably want to keep getting paid. That's the reason.

I think I probably agree with you more than you think - I figure we should just have competent employees. I think basic web app use in 2024 is like basic phone use in 1980. If you can't handle it, you need to go get training, and if you can't learn, you need to work somewhere else. Apparently - like you found out 25 years ago - this is not the way organizations are run. I suppose these people who can't do a basic part of their job successfully must bring important other skills or capabilities. But like always, instead of getting rid of problem people, we make everyone else jump through ever more hoops to do the job so it's "fair" and because we apparently think everyone is likely to suddenly forget how to operate their technology at any time and we need to protect us from ourselves.
 

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From the article: To make it a fair test she also collected bacteria from the atomosphere in her laboratory, and left both samples overnight.

How exactly is that a fair test? Or did they just type it wrong? We know they can't spell atmosphere.
IMHO, a testing lab should have less bacteria exposure, than a public restroom.
 

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I think I probably agree with you more than you think
Oh, I believe you do, and I believed that from the beginning. But, you'll go with the Lowest Common Denominator solution, because ... IT.
All of this is a privilege, not a right. The people who can't handle the privilege safely, lose it. Simple. But nope, let's use the LCD to plan everything.
 

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Tiktok "scientist" with fake name Science compares air samples supposedly taken in a laboratory to those in a public bathroom. Results at 11.

Spoiler: Air in lab is much cleaner than the public bathroom.

More internet science for the dumb-masses (say that 3x fast), tin foil extra.
ALMOST makes me want to read the article for a laugh, but ... I could just drink a whole bottle of whiskey (the way they do in movies) to kill brain-cells instead.
 

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I mean it is a Tiktok scientist and all.

I once collected a sample of my dog's water bowl, and compared it to a sterile saline solution. I'll be posting on TT soon so 2.5M people can view the results.
I missed the Tiktok bit - yea, I wouldn't put much stock in that. That said, I suppose I got "got" by the various "health knowledgeable" comments out there like at:
and

However, more reading brings up snopes:

Which - says the science is mixed. Though all of these do reference slightly more reputable studies in journals. I will say, this is one that seemed intuitive to me that blowing droplets of water from my hands at high air speeds would lead to spraying them around the room more than wiping on a paper towel. What I didn't really take into account is that we just don't know how "dirty" the average wet hands are to spray around. Most of the studies seem to imply the "dirtiest" people don't wash their hands at all, and presumably don't use the dryer in that case, and even if they for some reason did on dry hands - it wouldn't be able to spread much. I personally will admit that I'm far more likely to wash my hands if there are paper towels to quickly dry my hands after than if there's just the hot air blower that all seemed to be ineffectual or would take SO LONG to work, on the order of like 5-10 minutes, that socially it'd be an issue to do.

That said, everything about most public restrooms seem to be designed to make it hard to do a good job - the auto water controls give you like 5-10 seconds of water, which isn't long enough per the articles, and manual ones mean you usually have to now touch the dirty handles just after washing your hands to turn them off. The doors all seem to open in so require you to somehow pull them open (if there's no paper towels, and just the hand dryers IDK how you're supposed to do that), so again, I'm not sure that skipping the whole thing doesn't leave you in substantially the same place with at least one of your hands after you pull the door open...
 

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As far as redirecting direct deposits, they could do what Fidelity does - If I want to change the linked account that sends my disbursement it takes 30 days to take effect, and they send a letter to my home address notifying me of the change.
 

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Interesting is that when you order food at a restaurant, you don't really know what may have happened to it before you eat it. This would make a great tic Tok Petri dish experiment.

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Not nearly as worried about the hand dryer as I am the bathroom door handle.
 
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