• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 30 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 30th anniversary: Happy 30th Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $21,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $21 Million dollars
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    60,000+ subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

why Wyndham points so cheap on ebay?

Hyatt7788

newbie
Joined
Oct 29, 2011
Messages
7
Reaction score
0
Location
San Ramon
I own a Hyatt timeshare and want to buy more timeshare.

I checked ebay and found many Wyndham timeshare for sale at $1. I also checked other timeshare system like Hyatt and Hilton. I couldn't find any good deals like Wyndham.

Is there any reason why Wyndham timeshare is so cheap compared to other timeshare system like Hyatt and Hilton?

I'm really tempted to buy Wyndham timeshare. But the deal seems to good to be true. Is there any catch that Wyndham timeshare is so cheap?

Thanks a lot.
 

ronparise

TUG Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2011
Messages
12,664
Reaction score
2,134
I own a Hyatt timeshare and want to buy more timeshare.

I checked ebay and found many Wyndham timeshare for sale at $1. I also checked other timeshare system like Hyatt and Hilton. I couldn't find any good deals like Wyndham.

Is there any reason why Wyndham timeshare is so cheap compared to other timeshare system like Hyatt and Hilton?

I'm really tempted to buy Wyndham timeshare. But the deal seems to good to be true. Is there any catch that Wyndham timeshare is so cheap?

Thanks a lot.


no catch, but the cheap ones will have higher mf and some say the quality of the resorts is not up to Hyatt and Hilton standards....perhaps, but I dont think that difference justifies the difference in price, especially when you look at the broad selection of resorts...

Watch ebay for a while, you will see what I mean...look at the sales where the mf is less than $5/1000 points and compare them to the sales where the mf is over $6/1000 points. My advice is pay more for the lower mf...your purchase is a one time thing, your mf is forever

Wynydham points are low priced and I think a great bargain...at least I hope so..I just contracted for enough points to double what I already own
 

DeniseM

Moderator
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
58,160
Reaction score
9,758
Location
Northern, CA
Resorts Owned
WKORV, WKV, SDO, 4-Kauai Beach Villas, Island Park Village (Yellowstone), Hyatt High Sierra, Dolphin's Cove (Anaheim) NEW: 2 Lawa'i Beach Resort!
I own Wyndham, and we love our Wyndham timeshares, but they are not in the same class as Hilton and Hyatt. Hilton and Hyatt are in the Hotel Based TS class, and over all, they are a notch or 2 above Wyndham. I would say that Wyndham timeshares are 2-4 Star, and Hyatt and Hilton are 4-5 Star, in the timeshare world. If you expect Hilton and Hyatt quality and amenities, Wyndham may not suit you.
 

littlestar

TUG Member
Joined
Oct 17, 2005
Messages
2,647
Reaction score
367
Location
Midwest
Resorts Owned
Disney Vacation Club, Marriott & Wyndham pts
We love our resale Wyndham points. Ours at Wyndham Smoky Mountains have low fees. Very pleased with all the resorts we have stayed at. Especially Bonnet Creek and Wyndham Waikiki Beachwalk.
 

momeason

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Mar 28, 2007
Messages
1,655
Reaction score
21
Location
Emerald Isle, NC
I think there is more variance in the quality in Wyndham, but their newer resorts are mostly 4 star. Hilton also has varied quality since there are quite a few affiliate resorts. Hyatt is so small and Hilton is smaller than Wyndham.
I use Wyndham to trade in II. We frequently go to Marriotts. lots of bang for our bucks.
I agree, go for low maintenance fees unless you want to visit your home resort often.
 

GregT

TUG Member
TUG Member
Joined
Jul 19, 2007
Messages
7,128
Reaction score
1,886
Location
Carlsbad, CA
Resorts Owned
Marriott: Maui Ocean Club Lahaina Villas (3BRx5), Ko Olina, Shadow Ridge II, Willow Ridge, Aruba Ocean Club, DC Points HGVC: Flamingo, Sea World, I-Drive, Starwood Bella (x4), SDO, TradeWinds, Worldmark
I am a big fan of the Wyndham system -- it is very user friendly and they have good, well-located properties. One of the reasons I believe they are inexpensive is that Wyndham keeps making changes to the detriment of the ownership -- either rule changes or additional fees. I just gave away a nice, low-MF property in Wyndham because I was disgusted with a new fee -- the third new fee in as many years (or at least so it seemed).

So my issue was never with the quality of the resorts, it was a fear about what was next for a single property owner like me. If you're going to buy a Wyndham package, make sure that you buy a large enough points package to justify the program fee, which seems to be increasing at a faster rate than my other systems. I needed to either buy more Wyndham to rationalize the fee, or unload it.

All the best,

Greg
 

Don40

Tug Review Crew: Rookie
TUG Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2005
Messages
310
Reaction score
28
Location
Tampa
One reason for Wyndham points been so "cheap" is that Wyndham has so many members and with such large numbers there is always turnover. People get too old to travel, sick, die, family's go through hard times etc and sell their points. Additionally, Hilton and Hyatt target market were higher income individuals who usually get hurt less in the hard times. Wyndham is the "GMC" not the "Caddilac" both will get you where you want to go one but one with more bells and whistles.

As far as quality, the newer wyndham resorts and the presidential units are on par if not better than any of the Hyatts, Hilton, Mariotts you name it. That is why I love my Wyndham points. I can stay in all the Wyndham resorts and where there are not available we use the other companies.

Don
 

massvacationer

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
May 10, 2008
Messages
737
Reaction score
1
Location
MA
I agree that re-sale Wyndham points are inexpensive because there is a big supply overhang on the market. As others have said, Wyndham has a huge number of owners and the Wyndham sales-machine seems to have "oversold" the product (i.e. pushed it on folks who really should not have bought).

That said, the number of points contracts for sale on eBay seems to have shrunk - and prices seem to be stabalizing or even seem to be increasing just a little.

The huge network of nice resorts and the flexibility of the points system continue to make it something that I am happy to own.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 24, 2011
Messages
3,084
Reaction score
1,289
Location
Deltona Florida
Actually, I would say Hilton and Hyatt would be the Cadillac, while Wyndham would be the Buick. Buick has always been "affordable luxury" in terms of carmakers, while GMC is the workhorse of GM, and Chevrolet is the "middle-class" carmaker.

TS
 

bnoble

TUG Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2006
Messages
11,878
Reaction score
5,612
Location
The People's Republic of Ann Arbor
Scale. There are a LOT of Wyndham owners. If you assume some fixed percentage of owners are always looking to sell, you have a much (much) larger supply of Wyndham on the resale market. Larger supply==lower prices. It's pretty much that simple.

There's also the "name brand" effect, and there are some differences in unit/resort quality on average, but my sense is that those differences are less important in setting market value. Having stayed in several Wyndhams, several DVCs, and a couple HGVCs, the differences between the three when considering resorts of the same "vintage" are not huge (and they are not always in the "name brand's" favor).
 

ronparise

TUG Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2011
Messages
12,664
Reaction score
2,134
what seems to set price is the mf

a lower $$/points ratio will command a higher price than the higher ratios..

and there are the resorts that folks like for some personal reason , Bonnet Creek for example
 

GeraldineT

newbie
Joined
Oct 28, 2010
Messages
314
Reaction score
1
what seems to set price is the mf

a lower $$/points ratio will command a higher price than the higher ratios..

and there are the resorts that folks like for some personal reason , Bonnet Creek for example

Thats because Bonnet Creek is AWESOME!!!!!!!!
 

persia

newbie
Joined
Nov 18, 2007
Messages
1,179
Reaction score
6
Location
Carlingford, NSW
Ah, but which timeshare would be the Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4?????



Actually, I would say Hilton and Hyatt would be the Cadillac, while Wyndham would be the Buick. Buick has always been "affordable luxury" in terms of carmakers, while GMC is the workhorse of GM, and Chevrolet is the "middle-class" carmaker.

TS
 

Sandy VDH

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
10,008
Reaction score
4,380
Location
Houston, TX
Resorts Owned
Wynd VIP Plat GF, HGVC Elite, WM, HICV, +
HGVC has ROFR. I am not sure if Hyatt does but I suspect they do. This keeps really cheap points off the open market and allows the developer to resell inventory that they acquired cheaply.
 

persia

newbie
Joined
Nov 18, 2007
Messages
1,179
Reaction score
6
Location
Carlingford, NSW
It appears that at least some Wyndham points have again gained a positive or zero value, rather than costing the seller $100s to sell, that's a little progress...
 

rrlongwell

newbie
Joined
Jan 14, 2011
Messages
2,770
Reaction score
1
Location
Mechanicsburg, Pa.
It appears that at least some Wyndham points have again gained a positive or zero value, rather than costing the seller $100s to sell, that's a little progress...

From what I have seen on E-Bay over the years, the stronger Wyndham resorts are either not appearing or are appearing in fewer numbers and they are getting very low bids. Unless I miscounted, I count 92 Wyndham Properties out of the zillions of timeshare and Resorts they manage. I discounted the E-Bay total by rentals and Worldmark. Including those entries it is 113. It appears the days of free timeshares at the better Wyndham Resorts are coming to an end. All Abord?
 
Last edited:

Don40

Tug Review Crew: Rookie
TUG Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2005
Messages
310
Reaction score
28
Location
Tampa
As the economy pick-up and confidence builds prices will firm some. One thought is that the majority of timeshare owners bought on impulse after going through a presentation for a free gift and end up spending $20K for something they have no idea what they have. Many don't use their weeks or points and just want out of the MF. This equals an almost unlimited supply of cheap points, due to lack of understanding the product.
 

ronparise

TUG Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2011
Messages
12,664
Reaction score
2,134
somebody explain this one

ebay

converted points contract 105000 points mf $6.63/1000 points 19 bids, 5 bidders, sold for $180, (no closing cost) plus wyndhams $299 transfer fee

This is one that would have expected to go unsold
 

rrlongwell

newbie
Joined
Jan 14, 2011
Messages
2,770
Reaction score
1
Location
Mechanicsburg, Pa.
somebody explain this one

ebay

converted points contract 105000 points mf $6.63/1000 points 19 bids, 5 bidders, sold for $180, (no closing cost) plus wyndhams $299 transfer fee

This is one that would have expected to go unsold

If I remember correctly, this one is one of the resorts that sometime goes without a bid. The maintance fees seem a tad on the high side, but this resort appears to be one of the resorts that is getting stronger. Personnally, I prefer Smokey Mountain. Five bidders, not bad. It maybe a golf area resort.
 
Last edited:

andex

TUG Member
Joined
May 3, 2011
Messages
345
Reaction score
3
Location
Canada
If you're going to buy a Wyndham package, make sure that you buy a large enough points package to justify the program fee, which seems to be increasing at a faster rate than my other systems.

Greg
what do you mean by program fees. i thought the buck stoped at the mf fees? what other fees are involved?
thanks in advance,
 

rrlongwell

newbie
Joined
Jan 14, 2011
Messages
2,770
Reaction score
1
Location
Mechanicsburg, Pa.
what do you mean by program fees. i thought the buck stoped at the mf fees? what other fees are involved?
thanks in advance,

For timeshares in the Wyndham Vacation Resort Points program, a Program Fee is assesed as a percent of points per thousand. In addition, depending on the number of trips used and VIP Status, their could be fees for Housekeeping, transaction fees, and guest passes (this varies depending on the number of points owned and number of trips). In a case like Kingsgate, their also may be an amenity fee. In cases like Atlantic City and National Harbor, there are parking fees if thier garages are used. There are also other fees for service for various purposes. If you are considering purchasing in Wyndham or other points based systems, you may want to compare the various fees between Wyndham and the other providers.
 
Top