Who will take over Valley Isle on Maui after it ends as a timeshare for VI and WorldMark?

[rickandcindy23]

Valley Isle has fantastic ocean views, the studios are even guaranteed oceanfront. Our friends own VI and were disappointed in the announcement that VI will lose Valley Isle next year. There are also one and two bedroom units at Valley Isle. I have no idea how many are still timeshare between VI and WM. Many of the units are wholly owned. Not sure how many.

The studio has a decent little kitchen, a murphy bed, which I hear is pretty comfortable, but it's cute and cozy.

Since Wyndham has nothing on Maui, you never know what the next step will be, of course, but Wyndham manages WM, so maybe they are very aware of the ending of Valley Isle as a timeshare and maybe make a play for it.

I still want Wyndham to take over all Soleil-managed properties. Soleil is a terrible management company but has a lot of Maui properties. I feel that Soleil just thinks of timeshare owners as stupid people who will pay whatever to stay in their owned units. People are fed up here at Hono Koa. We have talked to others who feel the same way we do.

 

[easyrider]

VI and WM are both leaving the Valley Isle. I'm glad they did because the waves were actually going into the bottom floor a few years back possibly causing damage. It was a nicer place when there was a small beach in front of the resort. This was one of my favorite places in West Maui when the beach was still there. The view is one of the best, imo.

Then there is the fitness center / restaurant that was never rebuilt which is another problem for a large buyer. The giant sand bag rolls on the lawn by the ocean is a turn off for us. All of the sand under the water is gone leaving lava flow rock exposed.

There were a few condos for sale at this resort that we looked at. I remember thinking the HOA fee was kind of high. It might be a bad decision buying here because the beach erosion problem was in the planning stage for a decade before being approved but there still wasn't anything happening regarding beach improvements a few years ago. I wonder if the beach has been restored yet.

Bill

 

[Mongoose]

I think WM only had 14 units. Not much.

 

[geist1223]

I believe Kapa'a Shores on Kaua'i (also shared between VI, WM, and Private Owners) is also going away.

 

[rickandcindy23]

VI and WM are both leaving the Valley Isle. I'm glad they did because the waves were actually going into the bottom floor a few years back possibly causing damage. It was a nicer place when there was a small beach in front of the resort. This was one of my favorite places in West Maui when the beach was still there. The view is one of the best, imo.

Then there is the fitness center / restaurant that was never rebuilt which is another problem for a large buyer. The giant sand bag rolls on the lawn by the ocean is a turn off for us. All of the sand under the water is gone leaving lava flow rock exposed.

There were a few condos for sale at this resort that we looked at. I remember thinking the HOA fee was kind of high. It might be a bad decision buying here because the beach erosion problem was in the planning stage for a decade before being approved but there still wasn't anything happening regarding beach improvements a few years ago. I wonder if the beach has been restored yet.

Bill

There seem to be no good answers on beach erosion. Hono Koa caught the issue and built a very expensive concrete barrier, which I would call a wall, but it's more than a wall because it is very deep and a well was left to plant grass. The part of the wall is exposed to waves, but it's about 30 inches thick. It seems to be doing okay.

Sands of Kahana and Kahana Beach are dealing with the same issues as Valley Isle.

 

[easyrider]

Too me, it just seems like a waste of money to mitigate erosion by only adding sand without using barriers that keep the sand in place.

Bill

 

[geist1223]

As I have always believed simply let Nature take its course.

 

[FunnyFarm]

I am surprised to hear WM might abandon Kapaa Shores. That is usually booked out, I believe.

 

[easyrider]

I am surprised to hear WM might abandon Kapaa Shores. That is usually booked out, I believe.

Me too. Both VI and WM show inventory at Kapaa Shores through next year so if it happens it isn't happening yet.

Bill

 

[BJRSanDiego]

Sorry for the tangential reply, but the title of this thread reminded me of the Laurie Lewis song "Who will watch over the home place". Great song if you like county/folk songs:

 

[rickandcindy23]

What happened to Valley Isle? Who bought it. I hope it's Wyndham.

 

[amycurl]

We stayed in one of the two-bedroom WM units, snagged via II, checking in on Christmas Day back in 2015. While the units could have used some updating, and the pool wasn't amazing, we really enjoyed the resort. It's a great location, and the units were huge. We could hear the sound of the waves if we opened the lanai doors (which we did for both the living room and the master bedroom.) Sad that it might no longer be a timeshare--we'd happily go back.

 

[easyrider]

We stayed in one of the two-bedroom WM units, snagged via II, checking in on Christmas Day back in 2015. While the units could have used some updating, and the pool wasn't amazing, we really enjoyed the resort. It's a great location, and the units were huge. We could hear the sound of the waves if we opened the lanai doors (which we did for both the living room and the master bedroom.) Sad that it might no longer be a timeshare--we'd happily go back.

While the place had it's problems it does have it's charms. That's why we like the place. Our last unit was upper floor ocean front. We never used the pool or hot tub area but did enjoy the ocean front lawn.

I kept hearing the State of Hawaii was going to repair the beach. Did it ever happen ?

Bill

 

[geist1223]

I believe the State of Hawaii withdrew from the Beach Restoration. They may in fact be opposing it at this time.

 

[geist1223]

I do not believe Valley Isle was For Sale. Worldmark simple had a Leasehold Estate in part the Property. Whether it was the Owner's decision or Worldmark/Wyndham's decision I do not know. Similar situation at Kapa'a Shores.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I am hoping for Wyndham. Wyndham knows about it as the manager of WorldMark. Should they take it over and improve the resort, this could be a way for me to use Wyndham points.

I also think Soleil should give up control of their properties, including Kahana Villas, Kahana Beach, Sands of Kahana and Hono Koa, plus several in Kihei and Gardens at West Maui as well.

Wyndham could sell it, our fees for Hono Koa would go down to a manageable amount of $$.

 

[klpca]

I do not believe Valley Isle was For Sale. Worldmark simple had a Leasehold Estate in part the Property. Whether it was the Owner's decision or Worldmark/Wyndham's decision I do not know. Similar situation at Kapa'a Shores.

According to the WM website, the leasehold expired in 2024. No point in throwing good money after bad.

In a weird twist of fate, I just realized that I worked on the original account when properties were developed.

 

[rickandcindy23]

That is a weird twist of fate, @klpca

 

[amycurl]

Yeah, the restaurant wasn't open even 9 years ago, and there was significant beach erosion back then as well. Beach replenishment is not a long-term solution, and sea walls are terrible. The ocean is going to do what the ocean is going to do; humans must adapt. To think anything else is just folly. I think there is definitely going to be some strategic retreat going on in Maui in the near-er future.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I believe the State of Hawaii withdrew from the Beach Restoration. They may in fact be opposing it at this time.

Maui was worried that moving sand from one part of the island to another would be a problem for the ecosystem, if I remember correctly. It could be a valid concern.

 

[rickandcindy23]

I am sitting here at Sands of Kahana right by Valley Isle. I hope they figure out something with that beach both at Valley Isle and SOK. It's pretty bad.

 

[easyrider]

I am sitting here at Sands of Kahana right by Valley Isle. I hope they figure out something with that beach both at Valley Isle and SOK. It's pretty bad.

The thing about Hawaii is it's land mass is always moving. Some parts of the Islands can rise and other parts do sink due to the weight of new land formed by volcanoes and the lithosphere's inability to support that new weight.. For Hawaii it's mostly a natural process called subsidence which is causing the sinking of the outer edges of the Islands in some places. It's a slow process but there is research suggesting it isn't as slow as once thought.

I'm glad WM is rid of these problem resorts. The ground they sit on is slowly sinking while the sea level is slowly rising. It could easily be fixed but not in a natural way.

Bill

https://www.sfgate.com/hawaii/article/hawaii-sinking-faster-than-expected-20220076.php


Some parts of Hawaii are sinking into the ocean at a faster rate than others, according to a new study by researchers at the University of Hawaii Manoa. The study examined subsidence rates (the speed at which the islands are sinking) and how they exacerbate the effects of sea level rise.