thank you both for your responses. a couple follow up questions. scott, i had found that search page, but i could not find the actually info deeds that show who bought how many points and (most importantly) for how much. do you know how to do this? also, i had heard that $250 per thousand was the "retail price" for presidential reserve. i'm mostly wondering how far they discount. for instance, i can see where people at bonnet creek were able to buy for $80 per thousand directly from the developer. but i'm wondering if they will discount pres reserve points that much. thank you both again for taking the time to respond.