Why don't they combine it then? What is the point of a takeover if you can't assimilate it in a reasonable time!
Don't even get me started on this magical Blue Thread! BS! It's an inconclusively severed RED umbilical cord!
I always thought WYND was spun off of WYN but 10Q states that WYND spun off WYN. I will look at 10Q of WYN tomorrow and I hope it doesn't say WYN spun off WYND.
Why don't they combine it then? What is the point of a takeover if you can't assimilate it in a reasonable time!
Don't even get me started on this magical Blue Thread! BS! It's an inconclusively severed RED umbilical cord!
I always thought WYND was spun off of WYN but 10Q states that WYND spun off WYN. I will look at 10Q of WYN tomorrow and I hope it doesn't say WYN spun off WYND.
Not a chance this will happen, Worldmark does not have a VIP program and their maintenance fees are lower compared to Wyndhams . Worlmark/Wyndham owners can tell you the pros and cons of Worldmarks system compared to Wyndham's with the cost of VIP privileges.What would stop Wyndham from changing both the programs to be more and more alike and overcome the resistance to a complete merger?
Perhaps the Privileges program is an attempt to bring this to fruition! Who knows the mysterious ways of Wyndham gods!
What would stop Wyndham from changing both the programs to be more and more alike and overcome the resistance to a complete merger?
Perhaps the Privileges program is an attempt to bring this to fruition! Who knows the mysterious ways of Wyndham gods!
Your cup is half-full, not half-empty! You get everything a NON-VIP retail purchaser gets! And even pay a lower program fee!
I thought Plus-Perks is open to all with an annual membership fee! It's free for me now but I have never used it because it's not that useful!
Wyndham Club Pass: I hate the idea of calling and finding out there is no availability. I hope they go to online self-service with everything! I don't like the $99 fee either.
USA Today is a Perk? Funny! I would rather get the local newspaper, if at all!
@Braindead started this 'What would King of Wyndham do?' subtopic. I'm paraphrasing him using your question, obviously! Maybe it should be a thread on its own.
It's all about supply vs. demand. Resale buyers play an important part in Capacity Utilization and pay the MF for the upkeep. Without them, defaults will increase and the rest of the owners will have to make up the shortfall one way or the other. @Braindead's suggestion of treating them as 'undesirables' may not pass legal muster. For example, in a condo complex, an identical unit may have sold for a range of prices over the years. Do you deny pool privileges to the owner who bought cheaply?
All my deeds are governed by HOA rules but I haven't read the actual verbiage which entitles me access to Club Wyndham Pass and the internal exchange. Again, if you limit CWP access to resale buyers, nobody would buy them since resale buyers are buying the deed mainly for access to CWP.
Maybe, they can charge resale owners higher fees for all kinds of services (Title transfer, reservations, GCs, etc.) and give retail purchasers lower fees. Ok, don't beat me up on this? I have no idea if it would be even legal. But I bet they can and do all kinds of things in their Voyager system unbeknownst to us. When I was Temp Silver with CWA in 2017 or Gold in early 2018 with GD deed, the availability calendar used to be a lot grayer than it's now as a permanent VIP-P! I would love to get a peek into the internals of that system. I don't think we all have equal access to availability even in the Standard window.
The hospitality business is a tough business and I have no idea about their business model. I would like to think Wyndham knows a lot more about these complex issues than me or even a businessman like @Braindead!
Yes, I notice that you have changed your tune. This does happen after living "here" for a while. I appreciate your new "voice". Thank you.Tirade against resale owners? Maybe you rethink that after reading what I wrote elsewhere!
We know that they are here. They usually have not, in the past, been valuable or forthcoming in their posts. They can lurk all they want. In fact I suspect more than a few are actually in sales or management.So, your last post was a belated response to an imagined tirade from the past! Hmm!
Btw, you're indeed too bold to suggest Wyndham employees should keep out! They're here and they're not interested in getting roughed up!
... I leave Sunday for 4.5 months abroad on a Fulbright and my passport and Visa have not yet been returned to me. I've been on the computer more today then usual trying to get the Embassy over there to contact the Consulate over here. ....
@SNA27 is an asset to this forum. Please don’t personally attack him anymore, though it might not mean much coming from me.This won't happen because they would have to re-write EVERYBODY'S contract and all of the each resort's legal documents. And this could only happen after a vote of all the members, if at all.
While I like having new posters on the forum, it is always a good idea for them to read through the old threads to have some historical or institutional memory. Especially before you are positioning yourself as an expert. Without this, you can give out mis-information or dredge up posits or arguments that have been fought, dismissed or discussed in the past...sometimes ad nauseum. It is also a good idea to get the "feel" for the forum and to know who the respected posters are and who is not respected. Aim to join the respected and wise.
It is my hope that my fellow Ohioan, dgalati, and our new poster SNA27 can take some time to read more than they post on the forum as to avoid being irritating and being put on peoples' "ignore" list. People are busy. Most here love their timeshares. Most are also looking to stretch their points or add resale or PIC. And I hope that I am not too bold as to suggest that most of us really do not want Wyndham employees, especially those in sales, as active members of our forum. I've seen how the tone changes on the various Facebook groups when they are involved. I really don't think that it adds truth to our discussions. And I say this with over 10 years of experience with Wyndham.
And, SNA27, without resale owners Wyndham would be in big trouble. Please stop your tirade against resale owners. One of the aims of TUG is to save people from spending too much on their timeshare by buying resale. Without the option to sell a deed, people would dump their ownerships and then MFs would go unpaid. Resale owners help out those who want to exit and relieve themselves of their MFs. And they help Wyndham by continuing to pay MFs and thus keeping costs down. And when I want to divest of my ownership, I certainly do NOT want to give my deeds back to Wyndham. I would much rather help out a young family or a bargain hunter with their foray into timesharing--and whether I choose to sell it for a reduced price or give it away is my choice.
@SNA27 is an asset to this forum. Please don’t personally attack him anymore, though it might not mean much coming from me.
Initially, @SNA27 and I disliked each other. I called him a Wyndham shill and tool. He called me a greedy parasite and shady TS-system gamer. He apologized for his behavior. However, we grew to like and respect one another.
If there’s anybody that wouldn’t forgive @SNA27, it would be I. But I have. He gives good Wyndham travel and TS tips, or at least I think so as a relative newbie. It is an elitist view that anyone who isn’t an expert shouldn’t post. How are we supposed to become experts unless we post and are corrected gently?
He started a poll that is sticky-worthy. He also gives good insight on how Wyndham folks are thinking. I used to think nearly all Wyndham salespeople were slimy liars.
@SNA27 helped me moderate this view. He knows a Wyndham TS salesman with a wife dealing with dementia. It never occurred to me that Wyndham TS salespeople were real people, although likely ethically compromised.
It’s New Years. Let bygones be bygones. And we can welcome new tuggers who have close relationships with Wyndham salespeople.
Back to my TUG Wyndham self-exile, as I’m not a Wyndham expert despite having 430k pts, so I supposedly should have no business posting here.
Some people seem to think anonymity is a license for bad manners and rude behavior! They indulge in personal attacks instead of sticking to the topic at hand! Such attacks are even LIKED! Smh!
Length of time on this BBS obviously isn't a measure of expertise just as the length of a beard isn't the measure of wisdom!
How does one post here for so long and still haven't even learned how to use the GRAMMARLY help or to edit your post to correct spelling errors!
Thank you for your support!
I salute your 6-month infanthood on this forum and non-expert status it confers upon you! I am still crawling around making baby sounds annoying 10-year-old experts!
But, I wish you would not jump to easy conclusions about the ethical compromise of an individual based on their occupational group!
They are real people. Individuals with their own circumstances! PERIOD. No need to take dilute such recognition with pejorative qualifiers!
Lawyers, as a group, don't have a stellar reputation in general and especially when it comes to ethics! Please lock up those stones until you move from the glasshouse! haha!
Ok, let me ask you this! What is there to LIKE about @schoolmarm post' [Modified]
Ok, let me ask you this! What is there to LIKE about @schoolmarm's personal attacks against me or her superficial inferences about my person or my oozing privilege! I am not the topic and she made it so! I am sure it violates the BBS rules! And she repeated her offense! And it was LIKED again! I wish you had admonished her first post on this thread!
SNA27 please read carefully....I was talking about how POSTS can be misread because of tone. I gave an example as to how the tagline in your profile suggests that CWA and RESALE are lower and not of the privilege that YOU hold. If I were attacking YOU, I would have said SNA27 is a (fill in the blank). There was NO name calling in my post, but perhaps my post is a good example as to how the tone of the post can be lost or misinterpreted because of the text basis. Just try to re-read your posts and you should be able to see it. In one of your posts you encouraged someone who was considering buying resale not to with something like "Why shop at Goodwill when you can shop at Macys" or something like that. If it was meant to be humorous it missed the mark. It also didn't really help the OP. I am trying to help you...and I "get" lawyers. My ex is a big-time lawyer and my current other half is a law professor.
Those who know me know that I post with humor, and truly do not harbor ill will towards anyone. I aim to be wise and to not stir the pot, but truly, I was trying to be gentle in letting you know how you and a couple of others are coming across. However, I may have to re-think that considering the bashing that I have gotten.
Hitchhiker's post is right on the mark. And Hitchhiker, (and also CByrne--maybe I've spelled that wrong) I am really impressed at how well you have integrated into the fora. I hope that I can soon say that about others.