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Welk resorts to pay 18,000 in restitution to 15 owners

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15 victims claiming they were mislead during presentations...

The part I'm wondering is how the plaintiffs were able to prove they were misled. Usually, the developers and their sales puppets use the defense that what is verbally stated by the sales person(s) is not binding but, rather, what's in the written contract.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this is going to set a precedent and a lot of lawyers (whether legit or phony) will start coming out of the woodwork looking for TS owners who bought at sales presentations and claim they can help owners who feel they have been misled.
 

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made me wonder about that too, but im guessing they didnt have to take this to court...and with 15 complaints that probably all read similar word for word about what was sold to them vs what they bought....I can only imagine the AG's office asking for welk to cancel/refund their contracts was more convincing than the owners themselves doing it.

I wish they published the complaints.


As for the slimeballs that claim they can "get you out"....thats become quite rampant already. just another way to milk owners out of huge upfront fees with wild guarantees.
 

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Glad to see this. As a Welk owner I can say that the sales reps we have dealt with the past few years, other than the owner relations guy we met with last month, were very aggressive and we didn't care for them. Supposedly, many of the agents like that in Escondido were fired.

Welk actually offers a pretty good product, but hopefully they have cleaned out the dishonest and overly aggressive sales people.

Like others, if I had to do it over again, I would buy resale. Thanks TUG members for opening my eyes to the possibilities.

Mike
 

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made me wonder about that too, but im guessing they didnt have to take this to court...and with 15 complaints that probably all read similar word for word about what was sold to them vs what they bought....I can only imagine the AG's office asking for welk to cancel/refund their contracts was more convincing than the owners themselves doing it.

I wish they published the complaints.


As for the slimeballs that claim they can "get you out"....thats become quite rampant already. just another way to milk owners out of huge upfront fees with wild guarantees.

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/cacode/BPC/1/d4/2/2/2/s11245
 

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The part I'm wondering is how the plaintiffs were able to prove they were misled. Usually, the developers and their sales puppets use the defense that what is verbally stated by the sales person(s) is not binding but, rather, what's in the written contract.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this is going to set a precedent and a lot of lawyers (whether legit or phony) will start coming out of the woodwork looking for TS owners who bought at sales presentations and claim they can help owners who feel they have been misled.

According to the article, the resolution of the claims came by way of "agreement", which would indicate that the claimants didn't "prove" their case.

If an AG has numerous nearly identical complaints from unrelated residents, just the threat of a major enforcement action can cause a wrongdoing corporation to seek a quick resolution. The $270k that it may cost Welk would likely be less than their attorneys' fees to fight. That doesn't count the hit to their brand.

A legal "precedent" is a prior reported opinion of an appeals court which establishes the legal rule (authority) which is applied to the same legal question in subsequent cases. It is a rule of law, not a judgment of the facts.

No rule of law established through a settlement agreement.

Is there something unethical for lawyers to seek out people who have been wronged and may not know their rights in order to offer them a chance at redress? Seems like good lawyering to me.

Yes, I am a retired consumers' rights lawyer.;)
 

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interesting that an out of state AG went after a large developer over 15 complaints

Well...elections are coming up. Perhaps the AG seat s being challenged or the AG is running for governor.

If you ever would like the AG to go after someone, now's the time to ask. I'm going to ask mine to go after robocallers. :)
 

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I posted without having actually opened the link. I had assumed that this was in Cali since it was Welk. Shame on me.
 

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This ruling may bode well for mandatory Starwood owners who may be disinfranchised by the new FLEX program..


The part I'm wondering is how the plaintiffs were able to prove they were misled. Usually, the developers and their sales puppets use the defense that what is verbally stated by the sales person(s) is not binding but, rather, what's in the written contract.

The other thing I'm wondering is if this is going to set a precedent and a lot of lawyers (whether legit or phony) will start coming out of the woodwork looking for TS owners who bought at sales presentations and claim they can help owners who feel they have been misled.
 

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Does reinforce the fact that if you feel you were scammed, or otherwise lied to/misled/etc....always report it to your state AG's office. you likely arent unique in your complaint and if enough folks come forward...something can get done!
 

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A legal "precedent" is a prior reported opinion of an appeals court which establishes the legal rule (authority) which is applied to the same legal question in subsequent cases. It is a rule of law, not a judgment of the facts.

No rule of law established through a settlement agreement.

Is there something unethical for lawyers to seek out people who have been wronged and may not know their rights in order to offer them a chance at redress? Seems like good lawyering to me.

Okay, maybe I misused the word "precedent", at least in the legal sense. Maybe what I meant to say was, seeing this ruling/settlement, I wonder if this is going to start a bunch more lawyers seeking out TS owners (who bought at sales presentations) claiming they (the lawyers, that is) can get some sort of restitution, compensation, or settlement for owners who feel they were misled.

The scary part, I find, is that there are already all these questionable or fraudulent law firms going after TS owners and asking for an upfront fee to nail the developers and their sales people. We are already seeing many of these inquiries here on TUG from people asking, "Has anyone heard of...? They contacted me saying they are starting a class-action suit against...", etc.
 

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huge difference between some "law firm" claiming to want to take up a case....and an AG's office doing so.
 
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