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Big Brother. This is just getting scary.
 

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Interesting that the article fails to tell the reason for the restaurants having to gather this information. You would think that would be a main part of the story. My guess would be that it is for contact tracing of the virus to control the spread.

that's my guess

apparently they have to keep a log of customers for 30 days after they open
and keep hand sanitizers
and no buffets

it's getting crazy out there !
 
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from the article:

The measure is said to lay the groundwork for a trace program if the government decides to start tracking the movement of its citizens.
 

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*Poof* It's 1984.

But really, restaurants have nearly every customer's contact info already, through credit card info. Except those rare people who pay with cash.
 

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Interesting that the article fails to tell the reason for the restaurants having to gather this information. You would think that would be a main part of the story. My guess would be that it is for contact tracing of the virus to control the spread.
I'm sure it is-but I'm uneasy with how they plan to collect, will it be visible for everyone to see on a clipboard? Who takes the info-individual cards? one clipboard the employee collects the info (thereby having everyone around them hear personal information?) Guys may not get it, but women probably do-we do NOT under any circumstances give out numbers/addresses in public within hearing distance of others. There is a reason California changed the law to keep information private after a stalker killed an actress. People who are escaping an abusive situation, or just don't want an ex to know that *omg* they went out to eat here.
And people scoffed when I said China uses mask wearing as a measure of studying degree of control in their population with how well they comply. I don't know why if a person tests positive they just can't send out an alert (like an amber alert) to everyone saying "if you were in these places the past few days/weeks get checked"
 

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They should also have a sign in sheet on every street, enterance to the cities, busses, trains, airports...just to track everyone..just in case....sarcasm...
 

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I'm sure it is-but I'm uneasy with how they plan to collect, will it be visible for everyone to see on a clipboard? Who takes the info-individual cards? one clipboard the employee collects the info (thereby having everyone around them hear personal information?) Guys may not get it, but women probably do-we do NOT under any circumstances give out numbers/addresses in public within hearing distance of others. There is a reason California changed the law to keep information private after a stalker killed an actress. People who are escaping an abusive situation, or just don't want an ex to know that *omg* they went out to eat here.
And people scoffed when I said China uses mask wearing as a measure of studying degree of control in their population with how well they comply. I don't know why if a person tests positive they just can't send out an alert (like an amber alert) to everyone saying "if you were in these places the past few days/weeks get checked"

sure, civil rights/liberties lawyers in Washington state will probably jump all over this if it lasts more than 30 days
 

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...I don't know why if a person tests positive they just can't send out an alert (like an amber alert) to everyone saying "if you were in these places the past few days/weeks get checked"

Exactly. Leave it up to me to log into the Positive Tracker, see if I was in any of those places/times, opt in to real-time alerts or email digest.... use the highway Amber alert boards for the massive places with a known positive visitor, in case we get sports arenas, fair grounds, malls actually happening. "Positive at This County Fairgrounds, please see Tracker for details"

Has anyone in WA confirmed this is truly in place?
 

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...I don't know why if a person tests positive they just can't send out an alert (like an amber alert) to everyone saying "if you were in these places the past few days/weeks get checked"

Exactly. Leave it up to me to log into the Positive Tracker, see if I was in any of those places/times, opt in to real-time alerts or email digest.... use the highway Amber alert boards for the massive places with a known positive visitor, in case we get sports arenas, fair grounds, malls actually happening. "Positive at This County Fairgrounds, please see Tracker for details"

Has anyone in WA confirmed this is truly in place?
I'm sure it is. We were looking into using one of our AC's for quick getaway to New Orleans-and the city mayor there is requiring this. I think we will just stay home and keep our tourist dollars in our bank. Looking at South Dakota instead, end of June. Easier to social distance if we have our own cabin, plus out doors monuments. And the kids haven't seen Mount Rushmore etc-only through pictures of my childhood family trips. It'd be neat to get another picture of the Crazy Horse monument and see what progress has been made over past 30-40 years :ROFLMAO:
 

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Right now, most of you have "this thing" in your pocket or purse and it tracks your movement and knows where you've been and where you are currently. You can turn it off or just not have it on you. It really is an opt-in service.

So what are doing about that?
 

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Right now, most of you have "this thing" in your pocket or purse and it tracks your movement and knows where you've been and where you are currently. You can turn it off or just not have it on you. It really is an opt-in service.

So what are doing about that?
Let's not forget that device with the screen in front of you. :wave:
 

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This is absurd. They may as well just track where everyone is going at any time. Frankly, this would scare me to tell the government if I got sick. I’d also be scared of lawsuits if I revealed I got sick.
 

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Right now, most of you have "this thing" in your pocket or purse and it tracks your movement and knows where you've been and where you are currently. You can turn it off or just not have it on you. It really is an opt-in service.

So what are doing about that?
I don't carry. I have an old flip phone with locator off.
 

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This is absurd. They may as well just track where everyone is going at any time. Frankly, this would scare me to tell the government if I got sick. I’d also be scared of lawsuits if I revealed I got sick.
So, you would rather anyone else potentially exposed not get that heads up?

What lawsuit would you be expecting from revealing illness to your doctor?
 

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I'm certainly no expert on contact tracing, but I thought contract tracing was done at the START of an outbreak of some contagious disease. Not well into it. I really don't see the point of all of this at this stage in the game, but I'm not a public health expert!
 

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So, you would rather anyone else potentially exposed not get that heads up?

What lawsuit would you be expecting from revealing illness to your doctor?

It is not just about revealing the illness to your doctor. It is about the government getting the information and not knowing how they will use it, how it could come back to haunt us later on. Who knows what the government will make us do with that information or who could use it to blame us for things. Will the government put us in Covid camps? Will we get slapped with Covid fines? Will the government make us wear a big C on our forehead? I know this sounds outlandish but I never in a million years expected the world to do what it is doing now. I have lost trust in the USA government. I will choose to not visit restaurants if they start collecting personal data. Keep me out of this!

P.S. I wasn’t planning on running out to restaurants anyway. I have not even gotten take out since this began. It does not sound worthwhile to go eat in a restaurant under the current conditions. We have been cooking 100%. I prefer the home meals.
 
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I'm certainly no expert on contact tracing, but I thought contract tracing was done at the START of an outbreak of some contagious disease. Not well into it. I really don't see the point of all of this at this stage in the game, but I'm not a public health expert!
It's to attempt to stop an outbreak from expanding. So it would be at the start of *that* outbreak. Like if someone in my office tested positive, and I was in a meeting with them, I'd want to know that I've "been exposed". It's not so critical for me, no one here to infect, but it would cause me to double down on staying away from people to not expand it in case I am infected. Further, I think if you are on the contact list, you can get tested, with or without symptoms. This will vary by state, and possibly county.
 

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It is not just about revealing the illness to your doctor. It is about the government getting the information and not knowing how they will use it, how it could come back to haunt us later on. Who knows what the government will make us do with that information or who could use it to blame us for things. Will the government put us in Covid camps? Will we get slapped with Covid fines? Will the government make us wear a big C on our forehead? I know this sounds outlandish but I never in a million years expected the world to do what it is doing now. I have lost trust in the USA government. I will choose to not visit restaurants if they start collecting personal data. Keep me out of this!

P.S. I wasn’t planning on running out to restaurants anyway. I have not even gotten take out since this began. It does not sound worthwhile to go eat in a restaurant under the current conditions. We have been cooking 100%. I prefer the home meals.
Alright, I can understand that. We will definitely be bumping up against HIPAA. But, this is the first pandemic we've done for 100 years, so, I expect some ideas that work, and some that don't. It's already super uncomfortable for people, more intrusive than anything in our lives ever.

I don't foresee camps, but I do foresee Quarantine Hotels. Some folks that need to qt cannot do it at home without risking more people. I am very concerned about people getting paid while forced to qt.

I would urge anyone with strong feelings about any policies in their state to make sure their state govt knows about it. Especially, if you have a good idea, Tell Them. Or let them know I like this policy, maybe tweak this policy like this ....

This contact tracing is a massive undertaking. Help shape it. That's about all We the People can do right now, be heard.
 

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Wouldn't it just be easier to require everyone to install an app on their phone that reports that tracks and reports where they are every moment?

That would solve huge numbers of issues. AI could be used to trace contacts, and to predict the likely locations where future outbreaks would occur, and enable government to act proactively.

So many other benefits. You could use it solve crimes - just look up to see who was at the scene when the crime was committed. We would eliminate the need to have police enforce speeding laws - that database would easily show what people on highways are exceeding the speed limit. We could identify gang members by tracking who they associate with. The alibis of criminal suspects could be verified. We would know instantly if someone is violation a court protection order.

What could be better than having a huge database, available to government, that can tell where every citizen was at every moment? Sure it would cost a lot of money, but if we also enabled the database to be mined for sales purposes, the advertising potential should easily support the cost - perhaps even turn it into a money making proposition that could be used to lower taxes.

So - record people's names at restaurants??? Typical lack of imagination by government bureaucrats, when there are so much better solutions available.
 

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Wouldn't it just be easier to require everyone to install an app on their phone that reports that tracks and reports where they are every moment?

That would solve huge numbers of issues. AI could be used to trace contacts, and to predict the likely locations where future outbreaks would occur, and enable government to act proactively.

So many other benefits. You could use it solve crimes - just look up to see who was at the scene when the crime was committed. We would eliminate the need to have police enforce speeding laws - that database would easily show what people on highways are exceeding the speed limit. We could identify gang members by tracking who they associate with. The alibis of criminal suspects could be verified. We would know instantly if someone is violation a court protection order.

What could be better than having a huge database, available to government, that can tell where every citizen was at every moment? Sure it would cost a lot of money, but if we also enabled the database to be mined for sales purposes, the advertising potential should easily support the cost - perhaps even turn it into a money making proposition that could be used to lower taxes.

So - record people's names at restaurants??? Typical lack of imagination by government bureaucrats, when there are so much better solutions available.

sure, I bet Apple or Amazon could do it much better ;)
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oh, wait. .... Facebook, Apple and Amazon already track us :(
 
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Wouldn't it just be easier to require everyone to install an app on their phone that reports that tracks and reports where they are every moment?

That would solve huge numbers of issues. AI could be used to trace contacts, and to predict the likely locations where future outbreaks would occur, and enable government to act proactively.

So many other benefits. You could use it solve crimes - just look up to see who was at the scene when the crime was committed. We would eliminate the need to have police enforce speeding laws - that database would easily show what people on highways are exceeding the speed limit. We could identify gang members by tracking who they associate with. The alibis of criminal suspects could be verified. We would know instantly if someone is violation a court protection order.

What could be better than having a huge database, available to government, that can tell where every citizen was at every moment? Sure it would cost a lot of money, but if we also enabled the database to be mined for sales purposes, the advertising potential should easily support the cost - perhaps even turn it into a money making proposition that could be used to lower taxes.

So - record people's names at restaurants??? Typical lack of imagination by government bureaucrats, when there are so much better solutions available.

Hey. That was a Tom Cruise movie: Minority Report.
 

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sure, I bet Apple or Amazon could do it much better ;)
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oh, wait. .... Facebook, Apple and Amazon already track us :(
My point exactly!!!! We can just build off of those platforms. Much simpler, don't you think?

Or we can put the Russians to work on it. That ought to preoccupy them enough that they would be too busy to hack the election this fall. :banana:
 
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