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Visiting Oahu as unvaccinated traveler

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And of course if it were in Maui County a negative test is not applicable. Only fully vaccinated may dine indoors at restaurants. Some Maui County restaurants with both inside and outside dining are also requiring full vaccination so they don't have different rules for different diners.

Do you know any of those restaurants? My nephew is coming to Maui at the end of October and it sounds like one couple In their group won't be vaccinated. So I would have them not bother going to those places if they are all going together.
 

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Do you know any of those restaurants? My nephew is coming to Maui at the end of October and it sounds like one couple In their group won't be vaccinated. So I would have them not bother going to those places if they are all going together.

We've encountered three: Merriman's - Kapalua; Frida's Mexican Beach House; and, Taverna.
 

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I've updated my post. There were three we've encountered.

Thanks again. I'll also tell them they may want to call ahead. They are easy to please so I'm sure even takeout will be fine with them.
 

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I would go and enjoy the trip, just don't go dining-in in restaurants. I am vaccinated, but the idea of "showing papers" (id and proof of vaccination) just to eat in a restaurant is not my idea of fun, so I'll just skip the restaurants and other activities that require papers. Even if I am fully vaccinated.
I never had any problem back when I was young (nd still today) to "show my papers" (aka ID) to get out of TJ, when pulled over by cops, or to go into local watering holes. Or to advance to the next grade in school. It was actually very fun to do so.

Papers, papers, papers. Equating vaccination requirements to totalitarian rule or early 40s Germany is scary.
 

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I think there is still the option to self quarantine when you arrive. So presumably people just say they plan to quarantine.. Maybe they don't understand what that that means..

Yes they either don't understand what that means or don't plan on following the requirements anyway. When there are loopholes in rules and laws there will always be those that will use them. It is the same with paying income tax. In the coronavirus issue we are all being exposed to the possibility of catching and spreading a virus due to the loophole using people; in the income tax issue we are all paying or will be paying higher income tax due to the loophole using people and corporations.

I had a Professor in College who would say after explaining something complex in simpler terms; Simple concepts for simple minds. Well with coronavirus and taxes we need simpler laws with less or no loopholes. Some will look at having and following simpler laws with few or no loopholes as having a less free society; I look at it as your responsibility to be part of society.
 

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That's interesting - I'm very glad to hear that, but I wonder how people are still landing in Hawaii with no test and no vaccination?

According to this site, it looks like only about 2% of arrivals are coming in with no vaccination or test:

https://hawaiicovid19.com/travel/data/

So, based on that, it would seem being on a Hawaii-bound flight might actually be one of the most Covid-safe activities there is.
 

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From what I can tell, hospitals are rationing care so even if she doesn't catch Covid there could be dire consequences.

I don't think this is true for Hawaii. Several weeks ago, I believe the governor did approve the standards that would be used if care needed to be rationed, but that need did not actually arise. In fact, Hawaii Covid hospitalizations have dropped from around 470 to around 270 over the last two weeks or so, and the major health systems have announced they are once again scheduling elective surgeries. Having said that, your relative was smart to make the decision not to go given her medical situation. Even if hospital capacity isn't an issue, I wouldn't want to be thousands of miles from home in a situation where I might have an above-average risk at winding up hospitalized in a distant place.
 

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According to this site, it looks like only about 2% of arrivals are coming in with no vaccination or test:

https://hawaiicovid19.com/travel/data/

So, based on that, it would seem being on a Hawaii-bound flight might actually be one of the most Covid-safe activities there is.
That may be true, but when you have 423 choosing to quarantine on a single day (9/24) where 211 are residents and 212 are visitors, you can check the airline and origin airport and assess your risk. If you want to get creative, you can break it down by county. What surprises me is that 3 visitors chose timeshares as their quarantine location.
 

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I would go and enjoy the trip, just don't go dining-in in restaurants. I am vaccinated, but the idea of "showing papers" (id and proof of vaccination) just to eat in a restaurant is not my idea of fun, so I'll just skip the restaurants and other activities that require papers. Even if I am fully vaccinated.
Thank you. I also called resort today and was told that take outs is that what I can have. I was placed in Hale Moana building, gulf view, high floor. Since I ve never been there I couldn't ask for any better as I do not know buildings location. Any thing you would recommend?
 

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If you mean "golf" view, it means you are on the back of the building facing the road and the golf course:

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That may be true, but when you have 423 choosing to quarantine on a single day (9/24) where 211 are residents and 212 are visitors, you can check the airline and origin airport and assess your risk. If you want to get creative, you can break it down by county. What surprises me is that 3 visitors chose timeshares as their quarantine location.

I agree that it's an individual risk assessment. Recognizing that risk will never be zero, the way I look at the risk as it relates to our upcoming trip two weeks from today is, we'll be on a 190 or so seat Airbus A321. Not getting too granular and just looking at the overall averages, then out of those 190 folks, the 2% average would mean 3 or 4 people on that plane might be planning to quarantine. But those 3 or 4 only pose a risk if they are carrying the virus, so what are those odds? I would think really, really small. Since we are both fully vaccinated, we are totally comfortable with that minimal risk, and probably face greater risk in our regular day-to-day comings and goings.
 
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First, herd immunity was thought of as 70%. But now we know that the 30% left unvaccinated are their own herd. So my unscientific theory is that once 70% of the 30% remaining are either vaccinated or come sick, this will all come to an end. My guess is January. At this point, do what you will. This fire will eventually burn out. If you get torched, I am sorry about that. I hope intubation works out for you.
 

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Folks - This forum is for Hawaii Travel talk - not COVID stats and debate. Any additional posts along this line will be deleted - or we can move the thread to the COVID forum.
 

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Folks - This forum is for Hawaii Travel talk - not COVID stats and debate. Any additional posts along this line will be deleted - or we can move the thread to the COVID forum.

‘Sorry. Agree totally. Was offering my perspective from on the ground. But debates are tiresome. And people often can’t resist. Thanks.
 

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Thank you for understanding - just trying to keep the thread from going down that road.
 

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Just returned from dinner at Signature in Oahu. Other than a check at arrival of our vaccine cards we basically just saw a normal, quite busy, pretty full restaurant. Last night we did take out from Tony Roma/Fire Grill on Kuhio. That spotlighted one challenge the unvaccinated may encounter — some restaurants have no parking for picking up food. Waikiki parking is a challenge and if you’re just looking for a 3-minute stop, even more so.
 

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Just returned from dinner at Signature in Oahu. Other than a check at arrival of our vaccine cards we basically just saw a normal, quite busy, pretty full restaurant. Last night we did take out from Tony Roma/Fire Grill on Kuhio. That spotlighted one challenge the unvaccinated may encounter — some restaurants have no parking for picking up food. Waikiki parking is a challenge and if you’re just looking for a 3-minute stop, even more so.

Grubhub and Doordash work great in Waikiki so they are a really good option for takeout.
 

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Grubhub and Doordash work great in Waikiki so they are a really good option for takeout.
Ah, now you tell us! Actually, wife wanted to run into Duke’s ally to buy something, so I dropped her off there then tried to park to pick up food, and that was the challenge.
 

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Just returned from dinner at Signature in Oahu. Other than a check at arrival of our vaccine cards we basically just saw a normal, quite busy, pretty full restaurant. Last night we did take out from Tony Roma/Fire Grill on Kuhio. That spotlighted one challenge the unvaccinated may encounter — some restaurants have no parking for picking up food. Waikiki parking is a challenge and if you’re just looking for a 3-minute stop, even more so.

Csodjd, did Tony Roma's on Kalakaua close? From where your condo is that was an easy walk to bring back the food.
 

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Csodjd, did Tony Roma's on Kalakaua close? From where your condo is that was an easy walk to bring back the food.

Yes, they moved to the new location on Kuhio in the Hilton across from the International Marketplace.
 

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Csodjd, did Tony Roma's on Kalakaua close? From where your condo is that was an easy walk to bring back the food.
Sadly... it' just a closed down fenced off abandoned building now.

However, for those in the area, you may be interested to learn this... our building at 1910 Ala Moana has commercial space on the first two floors. It's been purchased by a restaurateur (I believe from Korea) and is currently being remodeled with a planned opening in about February. There will be five separate restaurants, not as a "food court" but as distinct restaurants all clustered into the same area. I don't know anything about what kind of food, etc., yet, but the owner apparently has a history of operating up-scale to high-end restaurants.
 

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Sadly... it' just a closed down fenced off abandoned building now.

However, for those in the area, you may be interested to learn this... our building at 1910 Ala Moana has commercial space on the first two floors. It's been purchased by a restaurateur (I believe from Korea) and is currently being remodeled with a planned opening in about February. There will be five separate restaurants, not as a "food court" but as distinct restaurants all clustered into the same area. I don't know anything about what kind of food, etc., yet, but the owner apparently has a history of operating up-scale to high-end restaurants.

Yes we heard about the restaurant cluster but we thought it would be a high end food court. What you describe is interesting. I don't know if you know that in the space where the Wailana Coffee House was right across the street on Ena there are plans in the works for ABC country market similar to the one that is in the Ritz-Carlton on Kuhio. We are excited about the development in our neighborhood.
 

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If you mean "golf" view, it means you are on the back of the building facing the road and the golf course:

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Thank you Denise for the picture. I googled and find it too. I though whoever stayed there might give me some advice on which one of these to request.
 
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