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Today it occurred to me, my biggest concern right now is not the virus but how irrational and angry many have become. Many are the minority but can become a dangerous mob in many aspects of our lives.
 

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I guess with many people's lives being turned upside-down, it's going to trigger some irrational reactions in some people.

Many things have had to change for me such as not having public recreation facilities available, changes at work, as well as other activities (some are taboo here on TUG so I'll leave those alone for now). But hey, I just have to learn to live with what's available and not take my frustrations out on other people especially when it's not their fault that all of this is happening.
 

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I guess with many people's lives being turned upside-down, it's going to trigger some irrational reactions in some people.

Many things have had to change for me such as not having public recreation facilities available, changes at work, as well as other activities (some are taboo here on TUG so I'll leave those alone for now). But hey, I just have to learn to live with what's available and not take my frustrations out on other people especially when it's not their fault that all of this is happening.
None of this is the fault of individuals but it happened. The acceptance of having to live with what’s available and the acceptance of what sacrifices we have to endure is a problem for many, understandably because of the financial ramifications. It’s not like a military war where there is no choice. Many feel there is the choice to go back to normal. I just don’t see it. I hope I am the one who is wrong.
 

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I have always believed that people should save for a rainy day. $10 or $500 a week is not important. Well now it is pouring.
And there is no umbrella available :(
 

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@Panina good observation that many people feel they can just go back to normal. This situation reminds me of the scene from the Big Short movie, when the financial crisis of 2008 was looming and the signals were there but all people wanted to do was continue partying and having fun so they were blindsided when it wiped them out financially.
 

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This time none of us are sitting this one out which isn't something we've ever experienced. It would be difficult not to at least be aware if not concerned because people do have irrational and angry opinions. It can be about not maintaining social distance, people not covering their faces, race, how this will impact those with wealth or lack of wealth, a particular nation being responsible, politics, specific politicians, etc.

We've read and heard a great deal about everything COVID-19 related. Some people are as concerned if not more concerned about the precedents this setting and the implications of future government involvement in our lives. I'm grateful to the Tuggers who have posted about this because I'm not politically astute and need people like them to make me think about these things.

You can't watch the news, look at Facebook, read on TUG, etc. without almost everything being about COVID-19 in some way. Unfortunately the media has been influencing all of us. I know some people feel it's intentional, part of some big plan that the media is deliberately attempting to inflame and divide us. I don't know about any of that but it's not difficult to see the effect it's having. No matter what any elected official or appointed head says or does it's either too much, not enough, too late or whatever angle makes the best story in the news. If elected officials and appointed heads want to keep their positions they have to care about public opinion. I can say that I feel that how they are handling things is too much in reaction to the public opinion as formed by the media.

Look at Michigan. I don't think the media missed any possible aspect of fear mongering, spreading discord and distrust for the people living there. It may not have been deliberate but it certainly happened. I may be more aware of what has gone on in Michigan over the last several decades because of where I grew up and have family. The governor of Michigan recently issued some new very harsh restrictions. It seems she and her people are out of touch with the people who live there not to have foreseen that this was going to blow up in her face. We saw people carrying signs and protesting outside the state capitol building. Yes they were angry. Cities like Detroit have never recovered from the lost automotive industry jobs. What happened to those cities and how it effected and still effects the people living in them isn't a pretty story. It also hurt the whole state. Right now too many people in Michigan are all too aware of how close they are to being in the same economic situations that they have been witnessing other people being in for years. Michigan has been slowly improving and I'm sure people who live there don't want to see that progress lost. The pictures the media showed us were of white people protesting their governor's recent restrictions and the media worked race into the story. No argument or even comment from me about the COVID-19 statistics. I bring it up because this is Michigan and people of every color get concerned. It may have been 53 years ago but people in Michigan remember or if they aren't old enough to have been alive then have heard the stories of the Detroit race riots. If you don't know about it look it up. Detroit, Michigan, the summer of 1967, was one of the most violent, deadliest and most destructive urban revolts in the 20th century. Lastly people are being reminded of the Flint area water problem because this week the statute of limitations for trying the people responsible is coming up. Of course it's in their news and reminds people in Michigan that they have reason to distrust their elected and appointed officials. For 5 years the water in the Flint area was dangerously unsafe and the people living in that area were lied to about it.
 
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This time none of us are sitting this one out which isn't something we've ever experienced. It would be difficult not to at least be aware if not concerned because people do have irrational and angry opinions. It can be about not maintaining social distance, people not covering their faces, race, how this will impact those with wealth or lack of wealth, a particular nation being responsible, politics, specific politicians, etc.

We've read and heard a great deal about everything COVID-19 related. Some people are as concerned if not more concerned about the precedents this setting and the implications of future government involvement in our lives. I'm grateful to the Tuggers who have posted about this because I'm not politically astute and need people like them to make me think about these things.

You can't watch the news, look at Facebook, read on TUG, etc. without almost everything being about COVID-19 in some way. Unfortunately the media has been influencing all of us. I know some people feel it's intentional, part of some big plan that the media is deliberately attempting to inflame and divide us. I don't know about any of that but it's not difficult to see the effect it's having. No matter what any elected official or appointed head says or does it's either too much, not enough, too late or whatever angle makes the best story in the news. If elected officials and appointed heads want to keep their positions they have to care about public opinion. I can say that I feel that how they are handling things is too much in reaction to the public opinion as formed by the media.

Look at Michigan. I don't think the media missed any possible aspect of fear mongering, spreading discord and distrust for the people living there. It may not have been deliberate but it certainly happened. I may be more aware of what has gone on in Michigan over the last several decades because of where I grew up and have family. The governor of Michigan recently issued some new very harsh restrictions. It seems she and her people are out of touch with the people who live there not to have foreseen that this was going to blow up in her face. We saw people carrying signs and protesting outside the state capitol building. Yes they were angry. Cities like Detroit have never recovered from the lost automotive industry jobs. What happened to those cities and how it effected and still effects the people living in them isn't a pretty story. It also hurt the whole state. Right now too many people in Michigan are all too aware of how close they are to being in the same economic situations that they have been witnessing other people being in for years. Michigan has been slowly improving and I'm sure people who live there don't want to see that progress lost. The pictures the media showed us were of white people protesting their governor's recent restrictions and the media worked race into the story. No argument or even comment from me about the COVID-19 statistics. I bring it up because this is Michigan and people of every color get concerned. It may have been 53 years ago but people in Michigan remember or if they aren't old enough to have been alive then have heard the stories of the Detroit race riot. If you don't know about it look it up. Detroit, Michigan, the summer of 1967, was one of the most violent, deadliest and most destructive urban revolts in the 20th century. Lastly people are being reminded of the Flint area water problem because this week the statute of limitations for trying the people responsible is coming up. Of course it's in their news and reminds people in Michigan that they have reason to distrust their elected and appointed officials. For 5 years the water in the Flint area was dangerously unsafe and they were lied to about it.

Dear Jan ,
Thank you for another well written , thoughtful , and informed post .
You focused on facts and included reasons why “the public” has different viewpoints .

Most of us have heard the statement - (paraphrased )
2 blind men were describing an elephant - one was touching the front - the other the back . Their descriptions were different .

Covid 19 is the Elephant . All of us in the world are operating blind .
 
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This world will never be the same after this COVID - 19 virus ? People are angry, schools are closed, people are dying, and millions & millions of people are out of work with no income or savings or hope of returning back to world.
 

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This time none of us are sitting this one out which isn't something we've ever experienced.
Look at Michigan. .....where I grew up and have family. The governor of Michigan recently issued some new very harsh restrictions. It seems she and her people are out of touch with the people who live there not to have foreseen that this was going to blow up in her face. We saw people carrying signs and protesting outside the state capitol building. Yes they were angry. Cities like Detroit have never recovered from the lost automotive industry jobs. What happened to those cities and how it effected and still effects the people living in them isn't a pretty story. Michigan has been slowly improving and I'm sure people who live there don't want to see that progress lost. The pictures the media showed us were of white people protesting their governor's recent restrictions and the media worked race into the story. No argument or even comment from me about the COVID-19 statistics. I bring it up because this is Michigan and people of every color get concerned. It may have been 53 years ago but people in Michigan remember or if they aren't old enough to have been alive then have heard the stories of the Detroit race riot. If you don't know about it look it up. Detroit, Michigan, the summer of 1967, was one of the most violent, deadliest and most destructive urban revolts in the 20th century. Lastly people are being reminded of the Flint area water problem because this week the statute of limitations for trying the people responsible is coming up. Of course it's in their news and reminds people in Michigan that they have reason to distrust their elected and appointed officials. For 5 years the water in the Flint area was dangerously unsafe and they were lied to about it.

Dear Jan ,
The riots of 1967 in Detroit are a part of the context of Michigan .
Windsor Ontario Canada is across the river ( Ambassador Bridge / Windsor Detroit Tunnel)

A few years ago was the 50th anniversary of those events . The Windsor Star newspaper did a retrospective
and interviewed crews from Windsor Fire stations that crossed the international border to fight fires .
I did not know that , and found the entire article interesting .

Today- as we read TUG - over 1500 citizens of Windsor (medical workers) - cross the border every day to go to their jobs in Detroit - Michigan area hospitals . They are allowed to cross , along with truckers etc. , transporting food and other essential trade products .

No one else is allowed across - the border is closed to non-essential travel .

I personally have friends in Michigan , who have cottages on the Canadian side of Lake Huron .They cannot go to their cottages because the border was closed by the USA Federal government in conjunction with the Canadian Federal government - to limit spread of Covid 19.

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FYI - for trivia buffs - Detroit Mi. USA is north of Windsor ON Canada
( look at the map )
 
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yes, indeed, look at Michigan .... with "white people" protesting ....
just who are the "angry and irrational" mobs?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d6dcf4-80e1-11ea-8013-1b6da0e4a2b7_story.html

There were some who felt that she wouldn't have listened?, cared?, not taken punitive action? if those protesting hadn't been white. In a couple of months I will be 69 and when I was younger I believed that by now there would no longer be a reason for people to say things like that. Nor for people to hear it and even for a moment think it might be true. I will never give up hope that I will see that come to pass in my lifetime.
 

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I'm not afraid of the angry people. I am afraid of the sheep who do not ask questions. Even the experts don't agree on the very issues that affect us in a tangible way.
 

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Dear Jan ,
The riots of 1967 in Detroit are a part of the context of Michigan .
Windsor Ontario Canada is across the river ( Ambassador Bridge / Windsor Detroit Tunnel)

A few years ago was the 50th anniversary of those events . The Windsor Star newspaper did a retrospective
and interviewed crews from Windsor Fire stations that crossed the international border to fight fires .
I did not know that , and found the entire article interesting .

Today- as we read TUG - over 1500 citizens of Windsor (medical workers) - cross the border every day to go to their jobs in Detroit - Michigan area hospitals . They are allowed to cross , along with truckers etc. , transporting food and other essential trade products .

No one else is allowed across - the border is closed to non-essential travel .

I personally have friends in Michigan , who have cottages on the Canadian side of Lake Huron .They cannot go to their cottages because the border was closed by the USA Federal government in conjunction with the Canadian Federal government - to limit spread of Covid 19.

*******

FYI - for trivia buffs - Detroit Mi. USA is north of Windsor ON Canada
( look at the map )

When I was a teenager the "cool" radio station with the Motown sound was CKLW out of Detroit-Windsor. Going to Niagara Falls was a day trip and we always went over the Peace Bridge to the Canadian side. We used to go to Toronto for long weekends. A few years ago we were out with our dinner group and people were talking about the countries they'd been to. I was just listening and asking questions about the places the other people had been when someone asked where I'd been. I was a little embarrassed to admit that I'd never been to a foreign country. My husband looked at me like I'd lost my mind and said I certainly had. I had to explain that I took going to Canada for granted. That I know Canada is a different country but it certainly didn't feel like a foreign country. Well at least not until you got up to Montreal or Quebec and they're speaking French. Come to find out people who've always lived in other parts of this country saw going to Canada as exciting as I saw their visits to other countries that I considered foreign.
 

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To some people in Canada in the Western Provinces , Montreal & Quebec are foreign countries because they are still speaking French and not the native tongue. LOL. :wave::hi::cry::ROFLMAO::LOL::LOL::LOL:
 

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My most concerning problem is now divided our country has become and I don't know how it will be corrected.
 

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And there is no umbrella available :(

The umbrella is one being responsible for themselves and saving for such a case as this instead of spending every penny they can get their hands on and then some.
 

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She made most people in Michigan upset with the restrictions she imposed. One of the things that made a lot of people really, really mad was not being able to buy seeds or plants to start their gardens. According to the restrictions she imposed those things weren't essential and the stores weren't allowed to sell them. When people are worried about money and being able to get food telling them they can't buy what they need to plant their gardens was the height of idiocy. In addition to having fresh vegetables a lot of people truly enjoy being outside and working in their gardens and yards. They look forward to it after a long winter spent inside.
 
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She made most people in Michigan upset with the restrictions she imposed. One of the things that made a lot of people really, really mad was not being able to buy seeds or plants to start their gardens. According to the restrictions she imposed those things weren't essential and the stores weren't allowed to sell them. When people are worried about money and being able to get food telling them they can't buy what they need to plant their gardens was the height of idiocy. In addition to having fresh vegetables a lot of people truly enjoy being outside and working in their gardens and yards. They look forward to it after a long winter spend inside.

People can buy seeds in Michigan. They can’t buy them in stores that have 50,000 square feet of floor space or more (places like Home Depot). The idea behind the restriction was to keep too many people from going to the large stores at a time (to protect those that are working there). You can purchase seeds at any store under that size limit. Here in Michigan you can go to a smaller hardware store like Ace Hardware and purchase your seeds. Many local hardware stores will even bring them out to you and put them in your trunk.
 

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People can buy seeds in Michigan. They can’t buy them in stores that have 50,000 square feet of floor space or more (places like Home Depot). The idea behind the restriction was to keep too many people from going to the large stores at a time (to protect those that are working there). You can purchase seeds at any store under that size limit. Here in Michigan you can go to a smaller hardware store like Ace Hardware and purchase your seeds. Many local hardware stores will even bring them out to you and put them in your trunk.

Sorry I should have given a better explanation. I have several Facebook friends from Michigan and they were all posting about this and all the post had lots of comments. Not being able to buy their seeds and plants in every store was a huge deal for a number of people. Some felt they were being put at more risk by having to go to a different store to get them. What pushes people over the edge often isn't a big thing. Just like the obsession with buying toilet paper it doesn't have to be entirely rational either
 
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To some people in Canada in the Western Provinces , Montreal & Quebec are foreign countries because they are still speaking French and not the native tongue. LOL. :wave::hi::cry::ROFLMAO::LOL::LOL::LOL:

In Canada that statement would be considered political - ( FYI )
on TUG - not so much - LOL )

Montreal was founded in 1642
New France was lost to the British at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham - 1759

There are many in Canada / particularly Quebec - La Belle Province
that can trace their ancestry in North America to before 1700

*******
** there are some (regularly active) Quebec based TUG members
Youppi comes to mind -
 
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She made most people in Michigan upset with the restrictions she imposed. One of the things that made a lot of people really, really mad was not being able to buy seeds or plants to start their gardens. According to the restrictions she imposed those things weren't essential and the stores weren't allowed to sell them. When people are worried about money and being able to get food telling them they can't buy what they need to plant their gardens was the height of idiocy. In addition to having fresh vegetables a lot of people truly enjoy being outside and working in their gardens and yards. They look forward to it after a long winter spent inside.


replied to wrong post
 
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People can buy seeds in Michigan. They can’t buy them in stores that have 50,000 square feet of floor space or more (places like Home Depot). The idea behind the restriction was to keep too many people from going to the large stores at a time (to protect those that are working there). You can purchase seeds at any store under that size limit. Here in Michigan you can go to a smaller hardware store like Ace Hardware and purchase your seeds. Many local hardware stores will even bring them out to you and put them in your trunk.

this was the correct post


I googled this and found out in about 10 seconds you are correct. It amazes me how much false information is being spread here.
 

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From what I saw that my several Facebook friends from Michigan posted and all the comments on those posts, not being able to buy their seeds and plants in every store was a huge deal. Some felt they were being put at more risk by having to go to a different store to get them. What pushes people over the edge often isn't a big thing. Just like the obsession with buying toilet paper it doesn't have to be entirely rational either

I understand that people may feel this way (I won’t comment on that one way or another) but your post mentioned that we could not buy seeds at all. We can buy seeds. I just want correct information out there.
 
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