Vaccine passport for Hawaii for mid-April??

[bluehende]

I could not find anything on what Thomas Jefferson thought about conflicting interests when it came to unalienable rights, but it is easy to find what a modern-day Supreme Court decided about 48 years ago, and individual liberty won.

Today the executive branch of our government weighed-in, and individual liberty won again at the federal level.

This is a quote from the White House press secretary:

“Let me be very clear on this. I know there's been lots of questions," Psaki said during the press briefing Tuesday. "The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential."

The protections under the Bill of Rights are as relevant today as they were 250 years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/04/01/vaccine-supreme-court-smallpox-covid/

State court upholds end of religious exemptions to vaccines

A state appeals court in Seneca County has upheld New York’s elimination of religious exemptions to vaccine requirements.The ruling from State Supreme…

news.wbfo.org

Second judge upholds New York's new school vaccination law

A state Supreme Court judge has upheld New York's recent repeal of an exemption that...

www.timesunion.com

Can Schools Require the COVID-19 Vaccine? Education, Equity, and the Courts - Bill of Health

Given the potential legal challenges policymakers may face, legislation to remedy the COVID-19 educational crisis must be carefully drafted.

blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu

Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158 (1944) - Supreme Court finds child protection laws, including vaccination, supersede parental religious freedom.

biotech.law.lsu.edu

 

[bluehende]

I could not find anything on what Thomas Jefferson thought about conflicting interests when it came to unalienable rights, but it is easy to find what a modern-day Supreme Court decided about 48 years ago, and individual liberty won.

Today the executive branch of our government weighed-in, and individual liberty won again at the federal level.

This is a quote from the White House press secretary:

“Let me be very clear on this. I know there's been lots of questions," Psaki said during the press briefing Tuesday. "The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential."

The protections under the Bill of Rights are as relevant today as they were 250 years ago.

Two centuries of law guide legal approach to modern pandemic

As COVID-19 continues its assault on the country, residents in more than 10 states have been ordered to stay home and businesses, including restaurants, health clubs and entire malls, have been closed as governors nationwide take extraordinary steps in an effort to protect public health. Under...

www.americanbar.org

Under the U.S. Constitution’s 10th Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court decisions over nearly 200 years, state governments have the primary authority to control the spread of dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions. The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

 

[CO skier]

Under the U.S. Constitution’s 10th Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court decisions over nearly 200 years, state governments have the primary authority to control the spread of dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions. The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

And Florida and Texas have already adopted the federal "hands off citizen's rights" policy with regard to "vaccine credentials."

 

[bluehende]

And Florida and Texas have already adopted the federal "hands off citizen's rights" policy with regard to "vaccine credentials."

And Hawaii is going a different way as constitutional law allows.....the thread we are in.

 

[CO skier]

And Hawaii is going a different way as constitutional law allows.....the thread we are in.

No, they are going much further by interfering with the interstate movement of American citizens -- a federal right. (Review posts #63 and #64.)

Hawaii's anti-Jeffersonian actions did not save them from a second wave of Covid infection greater than the first wave, just like most other states. Hawaii is experiencing a third wave of Covid infections just like many other states.

 

[bluehende]

No, they are going much further by interfering with the interstate movement of American citizens -- a federal right. (Review post #63.)

Hawaii's anti-Jeffersonian actions did not save them from a second wave of Covid infection greater than the first wave, just like most other states. Hawaii is experiencing a third wave of Covid infections just like many other states.

Please show where Hawaii has not allowed a person to go to Hawaii? Quarantines have been upheld by the courts for about 250 yrs.

LOL you do realize that by cases per capita Hawaii is the best.

 

[CO skier]

Please show where Hawaii has not allowed a person to go to Hawaii? Quarantines have been upheld by the courts for about 250 yrs.

Here is one example:

(from the article, there were 12 other people on the same flight who were capriciously denied interstate travel.)

Utah family flies to Hawaii, finds out negative COVID-19 results won't be accepted

Imagine flying all the way to Maui only to be told to you wouldn’t be allowed in. It was a worst-case scenario for one Utah family over the weekend. Caption: KUTV: Jim Spiewak reports Health safety measures require a negative COVID-19 test result before leaving the mainland, which the...

kutv.com

 

[Tamaradarann]

I could not find anything on what Thomas Jefferson thought about conflicting interests when it came to unalienable rights, but it is easy to find what a modern-day Supreme Court decided about 48 years ago, and individual liberty won.

Today the executive branch of our government weighed-in, and individual liberty won again at the federal level.

This is a quote from the White House press secretary:

“Let me be very clear on this. I know there's been lots of questions," Psaki said during the press briefing Tuesday. "The government is not now, nor will we be, supporting a system that requires Americans to carry a credential."

The protections under the Bill of Rights are as relevant today as they were 250 years ago.

First of all I wasn't necesarily addressing the requirement to carry a credential. My assertion about was much broader than that when I said in making laws we need to be realistic about the world we now live in. I believe that carrying a credential is an easier, similar, and more foolproof way to prove you either have been vaccinated or have negative virus test results.

However, while I don't think that you should have to but don't you have to carry some type of identification if you are stopped by a police officer?

 

[bluehende]

Here is one example:

(from the article, there were 12 other people on the same flight who were capriciously denied interstate travel.)

Utah family flies to Hawaii, finds out negative COVID-19 results won't be accepted

Imagine flying all the way to Maui only to be told to you wouldn’t be allowed in. It was a worst-case scenario for one Utah family over the weekend. Caption: KUTV: Jim Spiewak reports Health safety measures require a negative COVID-19 test result before leaving the mainland, which the...

kutv.com

From your own article


The family vacation was supposed to be for one week, so quarantining for 14 days didn’t make sense.

I will repeat this from the bar in case you ignored it.

Under the U.S. Constitution’s 10th Amendment and U.S. Supreme Court decisions over nearly 200 years, state governments have the primary authority to control the spread of dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions. The 10th Amendment, which gives states all powers not specifically given to the federal government, allows them the authority to take public health emergency actions, such as setting quarantines and business restrictions.

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

First of all I wasn't necesarily addressing the requirement to carry a credential. My assertion about was much broader than that when I said in making laws we need to be realistic about the world we now live in. I believe that carrying a credential is an easier, similar, and more foolproof way to prove you either have been vaccinated or have negative virus test results.

However, while I don't think that you should have to but don't you have to carry some type of identification if you are stopped by a police officer?

No. That's where the term "John Doe" came from. . .

Of course most people do carry some form of ID, but it is not mandatory.

 

[CO skier]

From your own article


The family vacation was supposed to be for one week, so quarantining for 14 days didn’t make sense.

I will repeat this from the bar in case you ignored it.

They tested negative for Covid. What was the basis for a quarantine?

 

[bluehende]

They tested negative for Covid. What was the basis for a quarantine?

Not the correct vendor for the test....it was in the article. Like the bar says. Hawaii can set their own rules. They require an approved vendor.

 

[CO skier]

Of course most people do carry some form of ID, but it is not mandatory.

How American.

 

[lynne]

Here is one example:

(from the article, there were 12 other people on the same flight who were capriciously denied interstate travel.)

Utah family flies to Hawaii, finds out negative COVID-19 results won't be accepted

Imagine flying all the way to Maui only to be told to you wouldn’t be allowed in. It was a worst-case scenario for one Utah family over the weekend. Caption: KUTV: Jim Spiewak reports Health safety measures require a negative COVID-19 test result before leaving the mainland, which the...

kutv.com

They had the option to quarantine in a hotel. You have the option to provide a negative test before arriving in Hawaii from a verified testing site or quarantining. Access to the state is allowed, but you are not given free reign to roam with the possibility of infecting others and creating a surge. The rules are very clear on the safe travels site, if someone traveling to the state does not abide, there are consequences.

Until April 1, New York State made out of state visitors have a negative test, then quarantine for 4 days and then have another negative test. If you were vaccinated, you needed to have your 2nd vaccine two weeks prior to your trip.

 

[CO skier]

Not the correct vendor for the test....it was in the article. Like the bar says. Hawaii can set their own rules. They require an approved vendor.

That would be an interesting question for the Supreme Court to settle. I hope, somehow, the government of Hawaii is held accountable for its anti-Jeffersonian actions.

 

[bluehende]

Try to get on an airplane without ID.

 

[bluehende]

That would be an interesting question for the Supreme Court to settle. I hope, somehow, the government of Hawaii is held accountable for its anti-Jeffersonian actions.

Jefferson liked life. He put it in front of liberty.

 

[CO skier]

Jefferson liked life. He put it in front of liberty.

He thought they were all equally unalienble rights. The concept came from the Enlightenment.

 

[amycurl]

Rights, of course, only if you were a white, landowning male. *sigh* I think you might want to stop idealizing Jeffersonian democracy quite so much


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[CO skier]

Rights, of course, only if you were a white, landowning male. *sigh* I think you might want to stop idealizing Jeffersonian democracy quite so much

I think you are not familiar with the philosophy of the Enlightenment, on which our republic is based.

Or American history.

In 1776 and to 1789 there were philosophical ideals that were opposed to pragmatic concerns to unite the 13 colonies. Compromises had to be made to unite the 13 colonies, otherwise there would be 13 separate nation states on the eastern seaboard. For some reason, it is currently fashionable to encapsulate our history into single-thought, catchy phrases. It was (and is) much, much more complex.

 

[cman]

In 1776 and to 1789 there were philosophical ideals that were opposed to pragmatic concerns to unite the 13 colonies.

Just say "SLAVERY". That's the only thing they were concerned about. It was the darkest stain on our history and we're still feeling the reprocusions to this day.

 

[CO skier]

Just say "SLAVERY". That's the only thing they were concerned about. It was the darkest stain on our history and we're still feeling the reprocusions to this day.

True. But there is no denying, "that was then." And let us be as pragmatic as our founding fathers were. There was absolutely NO WAY to unite the southern colonies, otherwise, in the late 18th century.

For context, does anyone remember the more "modern" "evolutionary" internment camps of WW2 -- 80 years later? What about those American citizens' rights that were capriously stripped, because "it seemed like the right thing to do?"

 

[bogey21]

probably don't need to read it
the author is a proponent of a certain (unmentionable) former reality TV entertainer and does not like a certain (unmentionable) US politician

I referred to the book because the subject we were talking about was potential Government misuse of National and State Vaccination ID information, not her dissatisfaction the Government's and one TV Network's unwillingness to shoot straight with the public. And no way was I referencing her like or dislike of any (unmentionable) individuals...

George

 

["Roger"]

Two articles today about vaccine passports. The first from the NYTimes gives the pros and cons. The second from the Wall Street Journal is a collection of short opinion pieces offered by students on the topic. Enjoy...

Opinion | Should You Be Worried About ‘Vaccine Passports’? (Published 2021)

The idea of granting vaccinated people special access raises thorny questions. Here’s what you should know.

www.nytimes.com

Opinion | Covid Vaccine Passports: Coming to a Store Near You?

Students weigh the merits of requiring customers and employees to show proof of vaccination.

www.wsj.com

 

[Tamaradarann]

True. But there is no denying, "that was then." And let us be as pragmatic as our founding fathers were. There was absolutely NO WAY to unite the southern colonies, otherwise, in the late 18th century.

For context, does anyone remember the more "modern" "evolutionary" internment camps of WW2 -- 80 years later? What about those American citizens' rights that were capriously stripped, because "it seemed like the right thing to do?"

That has been my point with my posts. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence and James Madison did his work on the US Constitution slavery was legal and an accepted practice by many; but those were different times. The internment of American Citizens of Japanese Ancestry was interpreted as legal since the Japanese Empire attacked us and we were worried about a 5th column developing. Again those were different times. The coronavirus pandemic that spread in 2020 has made both our State and Federal Governments do things differently to deal with the problem. The identification of those that have been vacinated is important to prevent the spread of the virus and get us back to normal life. There are many ways to do it, a Vaccine Passport is one way. I feel that it is better than having to get tested everytime we travel or want to go to a crowded event, or having to show a Vaccination Card that can be forged. But we need to do it since these are different times.