• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 31 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 30th anniversary: Happy 31st Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $23,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $23 Million dollars
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    Tens of thousands of subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

VAC 7/23/15 Earnings Call

rovitm

TUG Member
Joined
Aug 21, 2005
Messages
164
Reaction score
6
Very telling. Does anyone know what the average point sale is?

North America

VPG increased 0.6 percent to $3,404 in the second quarter of 2015 from $3,383 in the second quarter of 2014, driven by improved closing efficiency and higher pricing, offset partially by fewer points purchased per contract. North America contract sales were $150.6 million in the second quarter of 2015, an increase of $5.0 million, or 3.4 percent, over the prior year period.
 

AlmostRetired

TUG Member
Joined
Jul 20, 2005
Messages
1,454
Reaction score
718
Location
Long Island, NY
Resorts Owned
Grande Ocean Platinum, 3 x Grand Chateau 3 Bedroom (annual, EOY Odd, EOY Even).,
The revenue from contract sales are interesting if it is used to fund new development/acquisition. The flip side is the more success they have the more contention it creates for usage since the total point base is fixed.

The more interesting number for me is the resort management revenue because bottom line, this is what each and everyone of us pay within our MF now and as for as long as we own our timeshare.

Resort management and other services revenues totaled $74.1 million, a $0.8 million decrease from the second quarter of 2014. Resort management and other services revenues, net of expenses, were $28.6 million, a $2.1 million, or 8 percent, increase over the second quarter of 2014.

Normally revenue - cost is called profit. Since they are not manufacturing anything, I have to assume that expenses is cost in this case. If this is the case, they have a 38.5% mark up (28.6/74.10). This is a very healthy business in its own right and the margins seem high for the services industry. This is an annuity forever.

Personally, I am more concerned on the health of the resort management side since this is what gives our timeshare its value. Glad to see it is healthy.
 

BobG7734

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 8, 2005
Messages
311
Reaction score
10
Location
Boston area
Resorts Owned
Custom House; St. Kitts; Waiohai(Poipu); Maui
Not quite as robust as analysts expected. VAC is down 10% today but it was probably as a result of the recent run up.
 

puckmanfl

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Messages
2,062
Reaction score
1
good evening...

I an guessing avg point package is about 2000... We are now way past the point where Legacy owners add on...If they didn't add at $9.20 why would they add at $12.66

The future world of this will be a gazillion owners with 2000-3000 pts, that can't come anywhere near the good stuff.. Yes, they can rent but VPE probably has 100 active lookers!!! Small potatoes...

I forsee, tons of good inventory available to the smart shopper!!!!

puck....
 

jont

TUG Member
Joined
Aug 18, 2011
Messages
2,212
Reaction score
1,936
Location
The Garden State
Resorts Owned
Enrolled in Marriott DC/
MOW /MGC /MCV/MGO / Trust Points
good evening...

I an guessing avg point package is about 2000... We are now way past the point where Legacy owners add on...If they didn't add at $9.20 why would they add at $12.66

puck....

Good point! they keep trying to get me to "top off" to get to the next level. Not happening anytime soon.

I wonder if all these people buying "starter" point package of 2-3k points will get frustrated at some down the road when they realize that availability for all the prime destinations/seasons is not what they were told it would be.
My eye doctor bought a points package. I'm not sure how much but I would guess it 5 to 6 thousand points. Every time I see him he asks for my advice on usage. I always try to help him out, but I always follow up with ' Go on the TUG website, you'll learn every thing you need to know. I haven't seen him lately but I hope he followed my advice.
 

puckmanfl

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Messages
2,062
Reaction score
1
good afternoon...

JonT...your eye doctor walked in and dropped $70K...wow!!!

but for everyone like him, there are 10 that purchased 1500, making the average 2000!!!!

they will be bummed when they can only get a weekend in Lakeshore!!! for almost $17K....
 

jont

TUG Member
Joined
Aug 18, 2011
Messages
2,212
Reaction score
1,936
Location
The Garden State
Resorts Owned
Enrolled in Marriott DC/
MOW /MGC /MCV/MGO / Trust Points
good evening...

I an guessing avg point package is about 2000... We are now way past the point where Legacy owners add on...If they didn't add at $9.20 why would they add at $12.66

The future world of this will be a gazillion owners with 2000-3000 pts, that can't come anywhere near the good stuff.. Yes, they can rent but VPE probably has 100 active lookers!!! Small potatoes...

I forsee, tons of good inventory available to the smart shopper!!!!

puck....

good afternoon...

JonT...your eye doctor walked in and dropped $70K...wow!!!

but for everyone like him, there are 10 that purchased 1500, making the average 2000!!!!

they will be bummed when they can only get a weekend in Lakeshore!!! for almost $17K....

Not sure exactly how much he owns, maybe next time i'll ask. Anyway, I sure hope he got some type of deal. .
I agree, I think most buyers are getting the starter package of 1500 points, just to get a small,very small piece, of the dream.
 
Top