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U.S. taxi services see business boost helping Canadians avoid hotel quarantine

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This creative type of crossing is not as wide spread as one may think. 15% jump in 2018 would of been a big number, but since the boarder crossing into the USA from Canada is restricted by USA regulation, car travel has been hugely effected. Something in the order of a 70% reduction of car traffic depending on what you read. At our nearest crossing, average was 14,000 per day with trucks accounting for 6000 pre covid. 4.5 million per year is now just under 2 million, including the trucks, which has seen only a small drop in traffic.

A Canadian entering can not take a rental car and cross into Canada and leave it in Canada. But there have been a handful of return travelers renting a small truck from a well known brand, as they have locations in Canada and some sort of reciprocal deal with Canada/USA customs. Now thats a shopping trip lol.
 

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U.S. taxi services see business boost helping Canadians avoid hotel quarantine.


U.S. car services see big boost in business by helping Canadian snowbirds avoid hotel quarantine
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Richard

YES-YES-YES-YES

The one thing the Government of Canada does not want to do is mess with NAFTA / USMCA trade agreement.

I suspect that that Car Services and Taxis Services and their drivers operating commercially have a treaty right to operationally enter Canada and that is protected under these trade agreements.
 

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YES-YES-YES-YES

The one thing the Government of Canada does not want to do is mess with NAFTA / USMCA trade agreement.

I suspect that that Car Services and Taxis Services and their drivers operating commercially have a treaty right to operationally enter Canada and that is protected under these trade agreements.
In these times they could have added anyone entering in a taxi has to quarantine as well.
 

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In these times they could have added anyone entering in a taxi has to quarantine as well.

1 )- And in return the USA will say - all Canadian Soft Wood Lumber has to quarantine in Canada
forever. Same for Autos - Steel - etc.

2) Truck Drivers are not required to Quarantine - whether they enter as USA residents or Canadian residents.

3) Quarantine is a concept from the Middle Ages. Testing & vaccine is required - not more health concepts from the age of illness from vapours and cures by leaching.
 

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Well it’s all for nothing then.
 

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We tried to return home from Belize that way to avoid the $2000. 3 day hotel jail quarantine stay. It was no problem (and cheaper) to reroute our flight to BUF instead of YYZ. I had no problem booking a rental car at BUF with a drop off at YYZ (where our kids would leave our car). Since our flight was going to land in Buffalo in the evening we thought we would book a hotel and then drive home the following morning since our PCR test from Belize would still have lots of time left before the 72 hr timeframe the Cndn Govt was allowing. The big snag came when the Govt announced that all (not non-essential) people doing land crossings must get a PCR test done in the USA even if they were in possession of a valid one from another country.

We called at least a dozen labs in the greater Buffalo area and even called the Erie County Health Dept trying to find a lab that could do the test and get the results back to us within the 24hrs that international travelers were allowed by NY State law to transit the state (get from airport to border or 1 side of state to the other). Since the PCR test was not as commonly performed there most labs sent their samples to Boston for testing and the results were returned between 3 & 7 days later. By following the Cndn Govt rule we were being forced to break the NY State law. I emailed our Member of Parliament, the Prime Minister, the Minister of Health, the Minister of Transportation and the Minister of Safety and Emergency to ask why a PCR test from any country in the world was good enough to fly into Canada but to drive across the border the traveler must get a PCR test done in the USA. Of course no body could give us a reason except to say that was the law. :wall:

We then looked into delaying our connection in Charlotte NC by a day or so (which has no quarantine rule) in order to get a PCR test done there and then fly to BUF and pickup our rental car. Again most labs in the Charlotte area said it would be a minimum of 48 hrs and most likely 72 hrs to get the results back and the tests were several hundred dollars each. By the time we added up the tests costs, the hotel stay, difference in airfare (nominal), a rental car or taxis to get around Charlotte, and meals while there, the cost was approaching the price of the Toronto hotel jail stay.

So we ended up changing our flight back to Toronto (no charge, thanks AA) and booking the cheapest Gov't approved hotel stay we could find. We had a PCR test to leave Belize, another one upon landing in Toronto, and another one 10 days later -all negative, and as of today have completed our total of 14 days quarantine. All this after leaving a county that has had fewer positive cases and way less deaths in the last month, than what the Simcoe-Muskoka area of Ontario (where we live) has in 1 day, :( and the population of Belize is nearly 100K more than Simcoe-Muskoka.


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Just FYI, we get tests back in 24 hours or less in Boston.

From a PCR test or other type? Canada only accepts PCR tests for entry unfortunately.

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They are PCR tests that are free for MA residents. But I found this test that is done right at Logan Airport (and maybe other airports?) for $75 each.


(oops, forget the above link, those results are 3 to 5 days.)

The MA ones are great, but they say only for MA residents.

We've been tested three times. First two times results came in less than 24 hours. Last time results came in 24 hours. We only drive places though. Now, we have had our first Pfizer shot so who knows how things will change (hopefully) so vaccinated folks don't need tests, although we work from home.

It seems like the 24 hour service at US airports is a real need.
 
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It seems like the 24 hour service at US airports is a real need.

Yes, it sure is, especially at the airports from coast to coast near the Canadian border. Getting a PCR test done and results back fast is a real stumbling block for a lot of Canadians returning home by crossing at a land crossing to circumvent the mandatory expensive hotel jail stay. I am reading on the various Snowbird Facebook groups that I belong to, that there are more and more places in US border towns offering PCR tests with quicker results. The reason we kept hearing in February for the delay in getting results back fast in the Buffalo area was that the labs there were sending PCR samples to a big lab in Boston for processing. Sadly Boston is a bit far from the Canadian border for travelers to fly into then get a taxi or shuttle across.


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Or just follow the letter of the rules and fly into Canada and passengers should be happy they are let in at all. If not it could be a hotel stay for any non essential reason for entering Canada. Land, sea and air.
 

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Or just follow the letter of the rules and fly into Canada and passengers should be happy they are let in at all. If not it could be a hotel stay for any non essential reason for entering Canada. Land, sea and air.

A Canadian citizen will never be refused entry to Canada by land sea or air. The gov't says returning home is essential for Canadians, and sometimes leaving the country for a while is also essential. We spent 3 mos out of the freezing temps and snow in a warm sunny country that had fewer positive cases and deaths of Covid in that time than what our area of Ontario has in less than 1 week. We were able to have socially distant visits with our friends, visit outdoor restaurants and bars and walk and ride our bikes all over town which we couldn't have done at home.
The extra hotel jail cost, when divided over our 3 mos away, did not make a huge financial impact on our already cheap winter away. We just hate giving the government any more money than necessary and us arriving in Canada with a valid PCR from a country with single digit number of cases each week were not a big risk. Arriving folks are also tested upon arrival at the airport/border and again 10 days later to catch any chance that they may have picked up the virus during their travels. At least the hotel stays are, for the most part, less than half of what the Prime Minister said they'd be when they were first announced in early January.


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A Canadian citizen will never be refused entry to Canada by land sea or air. The gov't says returning home is essential for Canadians, and sometimes leaving the country for a while is also essential. We spent 3 mos out of the freezing temps and snow in a warm sunny country that had fewer positive cases and deaths of Covid in that time than what our area of Ontario has in less than 1 week. We were able to have socially distant visits with our friends, visit outdoor restaurants and bars and walk and ride our bikes all over town which we couldn't have done at home.
The extra hotel jail cost, when divided over our 3 mos away, did not make a huge financial impact on our already cheap winter away. We just hate giving the government any more money than necessary and us arriving in Canada with a valid PCR from a country with single digit number of cases each week were not a big risk. Arriving folks are also tested upon arrival at the airport/border and again 10 days later to catch any chance that they may have picked up the virus during their travels. At least the hotel stays are, for the most part, less than half of what the Prime Minister said they'd be when they were first announced in early January.


~Diane
Yes you are always allowed to enter but maybe leaving was not nessesary. Looks at all the government officials who left and then resigned. Sure your location there were not a lot of cases and you took precautions. But they are painting with a wide brush to be safe.
I have not been done since last February. By far the longest I have been outside of Canada but it is what it is. Eventually we will get back. Was hoping for June but now the fall (best time of year) is looking more likely.
 

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Or just follow the letter of the rules and fly into Canada and passengers should be happy they are let in at all. If not it could be a hotel stay for any non essential reason for entering Canada. Land, sea and air.

we should all follow the letter of the law....
-just like North Korean’s do.
 

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This Canadian flew into Canada and challenged the requirement to test and spend time in hotel jail...
 

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This Canadian flew into Canada and challenged the requirement to test and spend time in hotel jail...
And the outcome? Illegal to film inside customs. Could be arrested for that alone.
 

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This Canadian flew into Canada and challenged the requirement to test and spend time in hotel jail...

If that is the same "Chris" guy that has been promoting not wearing a mask and refusing the hotel stays he tried to board a flight within Canada to go elsewhere in Canada to speak at some conference the other day and was denied boarding. Apparently he has been placed on Canada's 'no fly list'! Looks good on him! I hope his ticket/fine sticks! He was spouting off on the various Facebook groups (returning snowbirds & quarantine hotel stays) until the moderators kicked him out and banned him.


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If that is the same "Chris" guy that has been promoting not wearing a mask and refusing the hotel stays he tried to board a flight within Canada to go elsewhere in Canada to speak at some conference the other day and was denied boarding. Apparently he has been placed on Canada's 'no fly list'! Looks good on him! I hope his ticket/fine sticks! He was spouting off on the various Facebook groups (returning snowbirds & quarantine hotel stays) until the moderators kicked him out and banned him.


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What was that shtick about "I have a medical condition?" Is that a thing that releases you from having to wear a mask indoors?
 

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Or just follow the letter of the rules and fly into Canada and passengers should be happy they are let in at all. If not it could be a hotel stay for any non essential reason for entering Canada. Land, sea and air.

Returning by cab is following the letter of the law. And today, Two important things to notice. First is the emergency injunction heard agaisnt this anti-charter law and second the reports of 2 people contracting covid during their stay in hotel jail. And FYI the so called heath authority..,crickets will not comment.
 

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Returning by cab is following the letter of the law. And today, Two important things to notice. First is the emergency injunction heard agaisnt this anti-charter law and second the reports of 2 people contracting covid during their stay in hotel jail. And FYI the so called heath authority..,crickets will not comment.
No it’s a lack of thinking by the powers that be. Explains why we are over a year in to this mess.
 

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What was that shtick about "I have a medical condition?" Is that a thing that releases you from having to wear a mask indoors?

Yes.
 

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Returning by cab is following the letter of the law. And today, Two important things to notice. First is the emergency injunction heard agaisnt this anti-charter law and second the reports of 2 people contracting covid during their stay in hotel jail. And FYI the so called heath authority..,crickets will not comment.

I highly doubt they contracted Covid in the hotel, they either came into the country with it (especially this guy; Man who paid $1,500 to stay at Toronto quarantine hotel believes he contracted coronavirus there and infected his whole family | CP24.com , I cant find any article about a 2nd person) and the PCR test to get on the plane (if it was genuine) and the one at the airport didn't catch it, or he picked it up in his travels. The virus can be in ones system for many days before the Covid test comes back positive and folks can either be asymptomatic with a positive or symptomatic with a negative (like my cousin's hubby was for days). From the story in my link it appears the traveler did not quarantine when he got to his son's house so they all got it. Possibly even the son or one of the family members had it first (asymptomatic) and then infected the traveler and the rest of the family.

I wonder what happened at the emergency injunction today, I would think if there was good news it would be all over the news but Google cant find anything at all. :unsure:


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