• The TUGBBS forums are completely free and open to the public and exist as the absolute best place for owners to get help and advice about their timeshares for more than 30 years!

    Join Tens of Thousands of other Owners just like you here to get any and all Timeshare questions answered 24 hours a day!
  • TUG started 30 years ago in October 1993 as a group of regular Timeshare owners just like you!

    Read about our 30th anniversary: Happy 30th Birthday TUG!
  • TUG has a YouTube Channel to produce weekly short informative videos on popular Timeshare topics!

    Free memberships for every 50 subscribers!

    Visit TUG on Youtube!
  • TUG has now saved timeshare owners more than $21,000,000 dollars just by finding us in time to rescind a new Timeshare purchase! A truly incredible milestone!

    Read more here: TUG saves owners more than $21 Million dollars
  • Sign up to get the TUG Newsletter for free!

    60,000+ subscribing owners! A weekly recap of the best Timeshare resort reviews and the most popular topics discussed by owners!
  • Our official "end my sales presentation early" T-shirts are available again! Also come with the option for a free membership extension with purchase to offset the cost!

    All T-shirt options here!
  • A few of the most common links here on the forums for newbies and guests!

U.S. Field Hospitals Stand Down, Most Without Treating Any COVID-19 Patients

PigsDad

TUG Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2006
Messages
10,072
Reaction score
7,077
Points
898
Location
Colorado and SW Florida
Resorts Owned
HGVC Elite: SeaWorld, Surf Club, Charter Club, Valdoro
Two-thirds of a billion US dollars. But thankfully we never came close to overrunning our medical care capacity.


Kurt
 

silentg

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2005
Messages
6,185
Reaction score
3,260
Points
649
Location
Central Florida
Resorts Owned
Fitzpatrick's Castle Holiday Homes,
Enchanted Isle.

pianodinosaur

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2008
Messages
1,965
Reaction score
239
Points
273
Location
Texas
Resorts Owned
HGVC SeaWorld x 2, HGVC Las Vegas Strip x 2, MVC Mountain Valley Lodge, MVC Legend’s Edge
I remember that Jimmy Carter was going to save us all from the swine flu. Everyone in the military had to be given a swine flu vaccination. During that time I did not see a single case of swine flu. However, I saw three cases of Guillianne-Barre as a severe complication of the swine flu vaccine. The older I get the more difficult it is for me to distinguish between science fact and science fiction. This is made even more difficult when the press gets involved.
 

Blues

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
2,482
Reaction score
496
Points
443
Location
Monterey County CA

PigsDad

TUG Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2006
Messages
10,072
Reaction score
7,077
Points
898
Location
Colorado and SW Florida
Resorts Owned
HGVC Elite: SeaWorld, Surf Club, Charter Club, Valdoro
This counts as a definite win in my book...
A win in that the disease has not affected as many people as feared, but this shows how poor the initial models were. If they were better, perhaps we could have saved the bulk of the $660 million that was wasted. It makes me question if the models that they are using now as input for decisions have improved at all, or if we are going to be making similar decisions that will end up wasting addition resources at the same scale (or larger).

Kurt
 

bbodb1

TUG Review Crew: Expert
TUG Member
Joined
Apr 9, 2016
Messages
4,305
Reaction score
3,824
Points
348
Location
High radiation belt of the Northern Hemisphere
Resorts Owned
RCI Weeks: LaCosta Beach Club, RCI Points: Oakmont Resort, Vacation Village at Parkway. Wyndham: CWA and La Belle Maison, and WorldMark.
I may be looking at this a bit differently, but given the fact that we actually went through the process of setting up these field hospitals should teach us some lessons for the next time they are needed. Hopefully, we could be a lot faster in the set up of field hospitals if we need them again in the future.
 

WVBaker

TUG Member
Joined
Mar 19, 2015
Messages
2,487
Reaction score
2,087
Points
323
A win in that the disease has not affected as many people as feared, but this shows how poor the initial models were. If they were better, perhaps we could have saved the bulk of the $660 million that was wasted. It makes me question if the models that they are using now as input for decisions have improved at all, or if we are going to be making similar decisions that will end up wasting addition resources at the same scale (or larger).

Kurt
Even the "experts" like Dr. Anthony Fauci can make errors it seems. 240,000 deaths? Possible, but quite a ways to go.
 

PigsDad

TUG Member
Joined
Nov 1, 2006
Messages
10,072
Reaction score
7,077
Points
898
Location
Colorado and SW Florida
Resorts Owned
HGVC Elite: SeaWorld, Surf Club, Charter Club, Valdoro
I may be looking at this a bit differently, but given the fact that we actually went through the process of setting up these field hospitals should teach us some lessons for the next time they are needed. Hopefully, we could be a lot faster in the set up of field hospitals if we need them again in the future.
I guess that is possible, but only if they make an effort to capture the lessons learned and preserve those somehow, as I doubt the same people will be around. Are they storing all of the supplies and equipment from these field hospitals that are being torn down? And if they do store it, will it be in a usable state at a time in the future when we might need it again, or will it all just rot away in some warehouse?

Kurt
 

MrockStar

TUG Review Crew
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 5, 2014
Messages
4,926
Reaction score
2,607
Points
348
Location
Detroit MI
Why ? people don't like the Hospital Ships and the brave military doctors, nurses and sailors who risk there lives to save others army the highly skilled combat trained medics and engineers who worked night and day to set up the Javits center and TCF center in Detroit. :hug
 

moonstone

TUG Review Crew: Veteran
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
2,762
Reaction score
2,769
Points
599
Location
Moonstone, ON
Resorts Owned
The Beach Club at St. Augustine Beach, FL (1 floating week, purchased in 1982)

77,000 RCI points (Sunrise Ridge Resort, TN)
There is one going up at our local hospital in Barrie Ontario. The hospital administration believes that the 2nd wave of COVID19 will be worse than the first so they are preparing now for it. The 'tent' will be used for screening possible cases so people don't need to enter the building possibly bringing germs in with them. If and when there are a lot of cases the sick will be housed in the 'tent'. It will have all the features as a regular ICU room including oxygen and ventilators and a dedicated staff to work in there.

~Diane
 

Monykalyn

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2015
Messages
788
Reaction score
940
Points
203
Location
SW MO
I guess that is possible, but only if they make an effort to capture the lessons learned and preserve those somehow, as I doubt the same people will be around. Are they storing all of the supplies and equipment from these field hospitals that are being torn down? And if they do store it, will it be in a usable state at a time in the future when we might need it again, or will it all just rot away in some warehouse?

Kurt
This is my question too-now that the lessons learned of how to build and how long it takes-How to store and efficiently access the equipment, who is checking it regularly etc? It's clear that CDC/FEMA are worthless. Maybe the states can form their coalition to take care of their region. And hospitals DO need surge capacity-even a bad flu season have hospitals over run in some areas (the national media just doesn't report on it daily)
 

Brett

Guest
Joined
Jun 6, 2005
Messages
9,258
Reaction score
4,897
Points
598
Location
Coastal Virginia
This is my question too-now that the lessons learned of how to build and how long it takes-How to store and efficiently access the equipment, who is checking it regularly etc? It's clear that CDC/FEMA are worthless. Maybe the states can form their coalition to take care of their region. And hospitals DO need surge capacity-even a bad flu season have hospitals over run in some areas (the national media just doesn't report on it daily)


it's such a shame the CDC and FEMA are now 'worthless' :(

We get hurricanes every year, hope FEMA is still around
 

Monykalyn

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2015
Messages
788
Reaction score
940
Points
203
Location
SW MO
it's such a shame the CDC and FEMA are now 'worthless' :(

We get hurricanes every year, hope FEMA is still around
Right? It is tornado season, and the storms get worse every year-F4-5 used to be rarer occurrences, now several every year. Along with more severe storms and straight line winds that can rip roofs off.
 

wilma

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2005
Messages
1,057
Reaction score
301
Points
443
Location
Point Richmond
Resorts Owned
Red Wolf Lakeside Lodge, Hanalei Bay Resort, Sweetbriar Lake tahoe, Marriott Canyon Villas, Hyatt High Sierra, Point at Poipu

Monykalyn

TUG Member
Joined
Jun 25, 2015
Messages
788
Reaction score
940
Points
203
Location
SW MO
Really, and what is you area of expertise?
Really and what is your facts for saying they handled things well? CDC changing guidelines? Inept distribution of supplies? Not maintaining WORKING emergency stockpile of PPE/equipment? Look at FEMA response to Katrina (still a disaster all these years later). How is Puerto Rico doing with FEMA aid? -it's NOT. Why isn't CDC/FEMA leading the way on analyzing data, and distributing PPE instead of COMPETING with individual governors?
My expertise? I read lots of news stories. Not the happy propaganda of "beautiful tests for everyone who wants one"
 

wilma

TUG Review Crew: Elite
TUG Member
Joined
Jun 12, 2005
Messages
1,057
Reaction score
301
Points
443
Location
Point Richmond
Resorts Owned
Red Wolf Lakeside Lodge, Hanalei Bay Resort, Sweetbriar Lake tahoe, Marriott Canyon Villas, Hyatt High Sierra, Point at Poipu
Really and what is your facts for saying they handled things well? CDC changing guidelines? Inept distribution of supplies? Not maintaining WORKING emergency stockpile of PPE/equipment? Look at FEMA response to Katrina (still a disaster all these years later). How is Puerto Rico doing with FEMA aid? -it's NOT. Why isn't CDC/FEMA leading the way on analyzing data, and distributing PPE instead of COMPETING with individual governors?
My expertise? I read lots of news stories. Not the happy propaganda of "beautiful tests for everyone who wants one"
They are not worthless, the buck stops at the top.
 
Top