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Third-party housekeeping at Lakeshore reserve and other notes..

normab

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We just got back from Lakeshore Reserve, a one bedroom in the Messina bldg, and had a great time as usual. We noticed that the housekeeping was a third-party company and they were very helpful but imperfect. We wonder how many Marriotts are going to third-party housekeeping? We didn’t notice it at our recent stays at surf watch or Sabal, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t third-party.

When we checked in, we noticed there was a different type of coffee maker. It looked like it didn’t take a carafe, but maybe a travel cup… But there were no travel cups in the room. So we called housekeeping and they brought us another coffee maker almost immediately. But then we noticed the carafe didn’t match the coffee maker, it was too short to reach the filter apparatus. We didn’t bother calling again. We just held the carafe up so that the coffee would flow into it every morning.

The first night we go to get into the bed and we noticed that there is no fitted sheet. They have a top sheet that doesn’t fit the whole bed because it was 11 o’clock, we decided not to call, but pulled down the extra bedding and took one of the flat sheets from that and fitted it around our bed. The next morning we asked for a fitted sheet we ended up getting two deliveries. One was a fitted sheet and one was a flat sheet—-oh well…

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The kitchen faucet set up, has the faucet handle separate from the pulldown sprayer… every time you turn the knob to put water on water came out of the knob and was pouring on the counter. We did mention this. We find it hard to believe that no one reported this already. It was impossible to miss.

Once again, a resort that only gives you four packets of cascade. I think when people are coming in for a week they need to give you seven packets. We always bring extra since we’re driving, but for what we pay for these resorts, they should give us enough cascade to do a load every night even if we’re just doing breakfast and lunch dishes, we still run the dishwasher.

We love going this time of year to Orlando because it generally rains a bit in the afternoon and cools it down. But we’re starting to see a trend at Lakeshore that the weekends are overcrowded, then the midweek is much less crowded. We don’t know if they offer day passes or it’s just people coming in just for the weekends. We may start doing Sunday through Friday instead of including weekends. The pool current is fantastic when the pool isn’t overcrowded, but it gets harder to navigate when you have groups of people just hanging out talking to each other…..

Final note, the pressure to attend a sales meeting and a Lee Brice concert were unbelievable. I actually spoke to the sales woman twice before we got there and there was at least three other times she called that I just ignored it. We didn’t go to the concierge’s desk on check-in just so I wouldn’t have to deal with more pressure. But yes, we had at least three phone calls that we didn’t answer in our room. They must really be having a hard time getting people to do the presentations.

As I said, we had a great week. These are minor issues but especially with respect to the coffee maker we expect better from Marriott.

Norma
 
The problem with third party is you probably don't have any knowledge build up as they might migrate an employee around different properties every day. I.e. that company is not just providing housekeeping to Lakeshore Reserve. And they're at best going to work to the contract, which probably means they're not contracted to report / deal with things like leaking sink stuff, so they don't. So unless you complain to maintenance, it probably never gets noticed by the people who could / should fix it.

EDIT: And this is the problem with outsourcing things in general - you can't IMHO outsource core functions and get good results. And housekeeping is a core function of a resort IMO.
 
Aren't the vast majority of Marriott properties owned by third parties?
 
Aren't the vast majority of Marriott properties owned by third parties?
Marriott International properties, yes. And as a guest at some properties you can definitely feel the disconnect between the owners and Marriott International.

MVC, no...the vast majority are owned by us. And as a guest we can definitely feel an increasing disconnect between the owners and Marriott Vacation Club.
 
Aren't the vast majority of Marriott properties owned by third part
Well @Ijmii is right, but that's a bit different IMHO. They're franchisees which means they agree to live up to certain brand standards or risk getting dropped. However it's also a direct business so they have some issues if the quality is bad. The customers are people directly using the service. Whereas outsourced cleaning staff say don't directly get employed by the hotel customers, but by the hotel/resort itself. The high managers probably aren't staying in the hotel they work at on any regular basis, so might get third had reports, but we all also know many issues don't get reported to the hotel, and if they do, it doesn't mean a manager ever sees it, forget about whoever's responsible for the cleaning contract.

It's even more indirect though, the employees of the cleaning company don't have any direct reporting to the hotel managers, and you get into difficulties "correcting" standards of an outsourced provider - you legally cannot tell them how to do the job or they become employees. If you had employees doing a bad job, you could train them, discipline them, fire them. On an employee by employee basis. With a contracted firm, sure, you could not renew the contract, but then you're jumping through a lot of hoops to transfer to another provider or have to re staff up. And you're still doing this en masse, so you can't try and form the best team for your environment, you're just swapping one undifferentiated mass of cleaners for another. You also have no control over hiring.

Then you have the problem of having no SMEs actually working for you anymore, so you can't even come up with good contractual performance sections, so you just get crap a lot of the time. It compounds a lot. The more distant you are from the person doing the actual work, the less good it ends up being IME.
 
The problem with third party is you probably don't have any knowledge build up as they might migrate an employee around different properties every day. I.e. that company is not just providing housekeeping to Lakeshore Reserve. And they're at best going to work to the contract, which probably means they're not contracted to report / deal with things like leaking sink stuff, so they don't. So unless you complain to maintenance, it probably never gets noticed by the people who could / should fix it.

EDIT: And this is the problem with outsourcing things in general - you can't IMHO outsource core functions and get good results. And housekeeping is a core function of a resort IMO.
Probably one of the most important core functions, a dirty room leaves an impression of the brand. I went out on the balcony at a marriott property once and the floor under the table was covered with toe nail clippings. Gotta love that MVC experience lol.
 
I've known smaller resorts to use third party housekeeping. I recall the Hyatt Windward Pointe was a third party provider. I am a little surprised they would use third party in a place like Orlando where they have so many resorts and likely a robust HR staffing mechanism in place.

As for dishwasher detergent, you can always text them and they will send more up to the room. I agree though, they really should supply more from the outset. Even as two people in a room, we often have to run it every day because they only provide a small number of dishes for the unit.
 
Marriott Cypress Harbour had also outsourced their housekeeping in February. We could definitely tell the difference. It was not up to previous Marriott standards at this resort. We along with other owners had to make calls to the front desk to have issues resolved.
 
SVV outsources some of it as well.
 
I suspect outsourcing is easier as then someone else can deal with the work permits and the rest of that stuff. We may start to see a lot of turnover given a recent Supreme Court ruling
 
I suspect outsourcing is easier as then someone else can deal with the work permits and the rest of that stuff. We may start to see a lot of turnover given a recent Supreme Court ruling

Is it easier for MVC? Almost certainly.

Does it provide better service for owners? Doubt it.
 
The Manor Club in Williamsburg, VA housekeeping employees are outsource to a cleaning company called MasterCorp and they do an excellent job. They are supervise by a Marriott’s staff team and they expect excellent service by this company. Security and maintenance employees are all Marriott’s employees and they are excellent. IMHO.
 
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I suspect outsourcing is easier as then someone else can deal with the work permits and the rest of that stuff. We may start to see a lot of turnover given a recent Supreme Court ruling
What is the ruling you are referring to? I don't think I have seen this one.
 
What is the ruling you are referring to? I don't think I have seen this one.
Not trying to delve into politics, but relates directly to timeshare resorts. The ruling is related to TPS. There are a lot of concerns in the healthcare and hospitality industries in Florida. Many with TPS are set to lose work permits after July 24th. A date which was actually extended in the last couple days by two weeks.
 
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