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Hey everyone!

So I've been doing some research on buying a timeshare and have been directed to look into Marriot based off of the type of traveling that I do. I've been trying to get as much info as I can but feel I'm still kind of confused on Marriots system. When I go to the website, it appears they are set up on a point system but when I look at buying resale they are talking about buying certain weeks. Do you use your points like the DVC does (so many points per week you want to stay) or are you locked into traveling a certain week/weeks out of the year?

Also, how easy is it for you to use the timeshare and trade for other destinations? I more than likely won't be at my home resort every year (my husband and I love to travel around and would love to have the option of going to Europe etc. in the future.)

Any thoughts/ideas would be greatly appreciated!
 
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We're relatively new at the timeshare business however after a couple of years of trying out the system we're beginning to figure it out.

We initially bought a platinum Harbour Lake after being wooed by the rep at Son Antem. So far we've traded it for Fairway Villas and Paris quite easily. Next year we wanted to trade to Hilton Head but it would seem that this is not a feasible trade so we're going to stay at our home resort.

It soon became apparent that trading is not as easy as the rep made it out to be. We were under the impression that it would be a simple process to trade our Harbour Lake week for somewhere else that we fancied. However, being tied to school holidays the trade choices are very limited. So far we haven't found any in Europe using our Harbour Lake week and that includes the real basic resorts. We simply can't afford to spend every year in Orlando and frankly we wouldn't want to.

We therefore made the decision to buy a resale week at Playa Andaluza. It's a resort that we love and would be quite happy to stay there every year if the trade did not come through. As it's a beach resort and a rare European one then the trading value should be stronger than our Harbour Lake week despite it being a gold season. It was more expensive than some of the other resorts however the price reflects the demand and trade value.

My advice would be to buy a resale at a Marriott where you would be happy to stay at should a trade not come through and ideally one that has a beach location. Think Hilton Head, Newport Coast, Aruba and Hawaii. The ski resorts are quite popular as well.

I'm not interested in the points system so someone else would be better placed to advise you on your options there.
 

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A) Buy at a resort you will use.
B) Buy on the secondary market, i.e., resale from a current owner. eBay is typically, but not always the lowest price route.
C) Buy a Platinum or Platinum Plus week. These are the most desireable weeks in each location. They trade best but more importantly rent for the most money. Go to RedWeek and look at the rental market as well as the supply of "For Sale" and "For Rent" properties.
D) Buy something that rents for at least 2x the Maintenance Fees.
E) Don't trade a $3,000 per week location for a $1,200 per week. Rent yours out and take the proceeds to rent the lower cost location and apply the residual towards your MF's.
F) Buy a "lockoff" unit. You won't always have additional family members or friends to travel with you and you will be able to turn your one week into two and amortize your MF's over 14 days versus 7.
G) Not a must, but if you buy something you can drive to, you can take a fabulous vacation without the additional cost of flights and rental car. This is a nice idea for a 2nd or 3rd purchase.
H) Buy at the end of the year, like right now, as folks give theirs away to avoid paying next year's MF's which are due in January.

If I think of anything else after having a coffee, I'll post again! :)
 

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I'll try first to address your questions about weeks versus points- until a year and a half ago Marriott was exclusively a weeks based system. Owners bought weeks in a season which enabled them to reserve one week 12 months out (13 months if booking consecutive or contiguous weeks) at the resort and during the season (time period) they bought into. A few resorts had some weeks that were fixed weeks, and at many resorts there are Platinum Plus weeks, which are holiday weeks and owners are guaranteed a holiday week reservation. Last year they introduced a point system, and now at most locations are exclusively selling points.

Past owners could buy into the point system (called the DC for destination club) and trade their weeks in for points on a yearly basis. The problem for many is that, while the point system offers flexibility (the ability to reserve location and view and in timeframes other than only 7 days), most owners of legacy weeks suffer a skim, in that fewer points are allotted than are required to make a reservation using points at their owned property. While they can still use their week to reserve at their home resort, it means that they don't have enough points to book the equivalent week elsewhere. There are many posts about the pluses and minuses of point ownership and conversion that you can search for if you are interested.

If you buy today from Marriott in the US you can only buy points. If you buy in Spain or France they are still selling weeks, and in Asia they have yet another point system. The Caribbean resorts have yet to be fully integrated into the point system, and while you can reserve weeks there in points, at least in Aruba you can buy either weeks or points. Aruba is one of the last hold-outs where Marriott is still selling weeks that are eligible for membership in the DC. IF you are interested in Aruba and IF you really want to buy direct from Marriott, buying a week there and joining the DC is considerably less costly than buying the equivalent number of points. While in general I've always advised people to take their time and that the same deal will be there tomorrow, this is one almost loophole that IF you are interested in it I'd recommend exploring sooner rather than later. While (in my opinion, of course) Aruba was allocated fewer points than the high rental market (both external and on Marriott.com) might otherwise suggest that it should be allocated, buying a developer week there now, with the discounts being offered by Marriott, is a relative bargain wrt the purchase price to point value ratio; what I mean that it is cheaper to buy a week there and convert it to points than to buy the equivalent number of points from Marriott, with savings in excess of 10K.

That said, while others will disagree, as a new buyer I'd have a very hard time buying points from Marriott today for several reasons:
-high cost per point and high MF per point
-no "home resort" ownership or advantage (unlike Starwood or DVC, you don't get a first crack at reserving a week in the resort you chose to go to most frequently. So if you have a preference for a particular area, you are competing with everyone else for those reservations)
-point values can change. Whether they will is anyone's guess.
-most inventory today was already sold as weeks. That means that week owners must deposit those weeks for them to be available for point reservations. So, even if you buy enough points for a New Year's week at a Caribbean resort, for example, it doesn't mean that there will be any such weeks available for you to reserve. Remember- everything is subject to availability, and as a points owner you are not guaranteed any specific availability.
-there is no way for resale points to join the DC, so that if you buy and need to sell, what you own is basically worthless.

If you tend to travel off season, however, points go a lot further and you might find the system works to your advantage, depending upon hen and where you like to travel. Others love the ability to reserve more- or less- than 7 days, like the ability to guarantee their view (which otherwise is subject to luck when trading in II), and like the ease of calling and making a reservation rather than looking for a trade.

In general, as posted above, trading using a lock-off gives the most bang for the buck, especially if you are taking advantage of depressed resale prices today. IF there is a place you'd like to visit at least half the time, then buying a week there may make sense for you. The other years you can trade or rent, especially if you buy in a popular location and reserve a high demand week. As posted above, Plat. weeks generally are the best traders and renters, but Gold weeks at some resorts fare better than Plat. weeks at other resorts, so it depends upon where you buy. For example, Aruba is really a year round destination, and Aruba Gold weeks trade as well as many and better than other Plat. weeks, and command a higher rent than many Plat. weeks elsewhere. If you want to go to Aruba during the summer, then you should buy a Gold week there, and not be pigeon-holed into only buying Platinum. Similarly, if you like to golf in Hilton Head, then maybe a Gold week would work better for you than a Plat. week. Depending on where and when you like to travel, one season or another may fill your needs better, and sometimes that offsets the possible decreased trading value.

While personally I would only buy resale weeks at this point, and if I really wanted the flexibility of the DC I would buy a developer week in Aruba that still gave me that option, so I am not trying to be negative about buying resale by any means, I just want to make sure you understand that as of today any week bought on the resale market cannot be enrolled in the DC (for that matter, resale points cannot be enrolled in the DC either, making them almost worthless). Many people feel that, at some point in the future, Marriott will again welcome resale weeks into the program, but that may be many years down the road, if it ever happens.

One more comment- you mention European trips- timeshares can be great for repeat visitors to European destinations, but there are few timeshares in world capitals, so first time visitors are usually best served by hotels and not in staying at locations that may be an hour or so commute from all the major sites. However, many have had amazing European vacations in timeshares in general, and of course Marriott's Costa del Sol properties, their Thailand properties and, perhaps to a lesser degree, their property in France have gotten rave reviews.

Good luck, and welcome to Tug! :wave:

btw- I see from your other posts that you are in your twenties. I can tell you that we wish that we had discovered timesharing before our "kids" were in their early twenties. It is wonderfully conducive to family vacations, and having the space- and the kitchen- really enhances your vacation. We travelled all over in hotel rooms with my parents while the kids were growing up; if only we had known what we were missing. This is a great time for you to buy and have many years of enjoyment. For now, it is a great way to consider traveling with friends and later with family and/or friends. Keep in mind, though, that needs change, and while you don't need school schedules now, in the future you may be saddled with them for decades. So keep that in mind when tailoring a purchase to your needs- think about now, 5 years and even 10 years down the road, as hard as that might seem.
 
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Trading is only easier if you have complete flexibility in when and where you can go. I wouldn't buy right now unless it was an eBay sale for less than $2000 platinum at a resort that you'd be happy going to every year for the rest of time, and one where annual fees and travel costs doubling in 5 years wouldn't bother you. Rent...in most cases these days owners will rent just to cover their maintenance. Don't buy into Marriott's new point system...it's way too expensive compared to resales and destined to fail or be sold to Westgate IMO.
 

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m61376,
while its true that virtually all presentations are geared to the purchase of points. Couldn't a new prospect at a presentation "insist" on purchasing a "week" at a presentation?
What ever happened to all those weeks that are on that long, long list that Marriott promised to sell for owners (ears back), should they become disinterested or unable to travel.
THAT resale option offered by Marriott seems to have disintegrated.
None the less....there are people on a resale list for years and Marriott seemingly pushes the point system instead of keeping the promises that they originally made.
I can tell by the number of posts and the factual information you provided above, that you are very savvy to the system.
What are your thoughts on insisting to buy a week instead of points?
Thanks,
Mike
 

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We bought our first timeshare in 1980 when our eldest child was 6 months old. At the time we bought 2 fixed weeks in the Bahamas. We bought with the thought of guaranteed vacations. Within 5 years we had bought 2 more weeks, one in Hilton Head and one in Kissimmee. We also sold our weeks in the Bahamas as we were mugged there. From 1980 to 1990 we exchanged all over the US, the Caribbean and Europe. Marriott then took over the management of our Hilton Head property. Then we became founding owners at the Grande Ocean in HH. In those days, Marriott gave us a buying bonus of a trip for 2 anywhere in the contiguous US or Mexico. So we went to Mexico and proceeded to buy a week at the Royal Caribbean. As the 1990's moved on we bought and sold many timeshares. At one point we owned a high of 10 weeks, but now we are down to 7 weeks.

Our current weeks are at resorts where we love to go, Aruba, Cancun and Hiltn Head. We own only platinum (Marriott) weeks or high season weeks (Royal Resorts). I have to travel high season as I am a high school assistant principal. Recently we have not done as much exchanging as we did years ago--I think that is because we love our home resorts and we've become complacent.

We did not join the Marriott Destination Points program as it would not make sense for us. Our Marriott properties are not lock-offs, we would have to have a second II account for our Royal Resort Properties, and we only travel high season when the points would be at the their highest. Although we would have about 14,000 points if we joined it would not give us 4 weeks at the resorts we would want to go to at high season. Joining DP is definitely is based on individual needs and you would really have to think about it.

Timesharing is a wonderful experience if you consider it a guaranteed vacation and not an investment. As our children grew it has been wonderful to have the room to move around and not be stuck in a hotel room. We own a 3 bedroom unit at Surfwatch in HH and now that we have a grandchild it is wonderful to have space for everyone.

As the previous poster stated I would only purchase a resale. Whether or not you buy platinum or gold is definitely a personal decision. Whatever you do, good luck and welcome to TUG and timesharing.:cheer:
 

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good morning...

m6...

a superb summary...resale points are even worse... you can't join DC AND you can only make Trust based reservations within 60 days... Thus there is no access to exchange company and Trust inventory is also limited...

There is a website out there somewhere in TUG land where you can pick up a resale week from MVCD AND they have just opened these up to DC eligibility....

I love have the option of using weeks as weeks or as points..... I took 1 3 bedroom plat GV week in Orlando (3 bedroom) and converted into TWO concurrent 5 day stays at Mountainside in ski season withthe same nnumber of points for the BIG ski trip...!!!! I used to trade one week at GV for a Park City plat week... 21 bedroom day (7 times 30 for 14 ( 7 times 2). With points I convert 21 bedroom days in Orlando into 2 ( 5 times 2 twice) bedroom days at a ski resort and I have 10 people going!!!

No need to purchase more points..My next purchase will bne a cheap 2 bedroom lock off in Florida (driving distance) to either use or play Flexchange with both halves...

One benefit of DC is now superb inventory is hitting II within 30 days as DC releases inventory late!!!!
 

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m61376,
while its true that virtually all presentations are geared to the purchase of points. Couldn't a new prospect at a presentation "insist" on purchasing a "week" at a presentation?
What ever happened to all those weeks that are on that long, long list that Marriott promised to sell for owners (ears back), should they become disinterested or unable to travel.
THAT resale option offered by Marriott seems to have disintegrated.
None the less....there are people on a resale list for years and Marriott seemingly pushes the point system instead of keeping the promises that they originally made.
I can tell by the number of posts and the factual information you provided above, that you are very savvy to the system.
What are your thoughts on insisting to buy a week instead of points?
Thanks,
Mike

Mike- As Puck alluded to, there is a website that lists Marriott resale weeks and in a recent change it seems that these are eligible to join the DC. However, before I bought such a week from Marriott (IF I was interested in such a purchase, which I wouldn't be- I agree with the other posters about buying resale now) I would make sure I got it in writing that the week could be enrolled in the DC program. The only way I could rationalize buying directly from Marriott at this point is if I bought a week that I wanted to go to frequently that could be enrolled in the DC, IF I really thought that I would utilize the point system and if I was willing to pay the premium for doing so.

Personally, though, I would only consider buying a resale week if there was a place I wanted to go frequently, and then I'd buy the resale week on the resale market and save thousands of dollars.

As for whether or not to buy anything- you'll hear arguments on both sides today. In many cases you can get great bargains on rentals, but as the economy improves and demand increases, that may change. Moreover, the market in general may improve over time, and as hotel prices creep upwards, resale prices may as well. I like owning- having something prepaid means I use it, so in a sense it forces us to take time away. I happen to really love my home resort, so for us it is like owning a piece of a vacation home away from home. We truly have had priceless memories from using that week as well as buying a Getaway; our family has had some real tragedies the past few years and the vacations that we would not have otherwise taken have provided irreplaceable memories. I'd be less than honest if I didn't admit that circumstances have perhaps really tipped the scales in favor of ownership for me, but I can honestly say if I had to do it over again I'd only have done one thing differently- that is, I would have bought sooner, even if if (gulp) meant buying direct (of course, at pre-construction pricing though- I'm not going that far overboard :rofl: ).
 

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A lot of good advice preceeds this so I won't repeat it. Here are two opinions of mine. 1) Don't fall for the "renting is cheaper" arguement if you see yourself as a long term timeshare user. The standard usually used is that renting is cheaper than maintenance fees. On a one time basis that may be true. If you buy a lockoff and trade with two weeks it's usually never true. There is also no guarantee that rental rates will always be as depressed as they are now. No one can make that claim for the future.

2) Right now if you buy resale there is no entrance to the DC. Prices are depressed because of it and the seasonal reduction is also in effect as owners try to bail out of 2012 maintenance fees. It's a good time to buy for the long term user and trader. Marriott is not doing much in the way of ROFR. They have their own problems. If your not a long term timeshare user stay out of the market.
 

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kjd- Good points!! The only other thing I'd like to add is that, since one should be buying a timeshare for long term use, it is important to think about changing family dynamics. I know it sounds obvious, but many people think about current needs. The need for Holiday weeks may or may not change; school vacation schedules may be forthcoming or soon a thing of the past. With adult children 3BR's may become more attractive. Disney may (or may not) lose its luster. So I think buyers should think about how their situation may change at least over the next 5 years, and perhaps even 10 years.
 

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I would not buy a non-fixed Marriott Week until this whole DC thing settles down and you know for cerainty what you are getting.

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Trading is only easier if you have complete flexibility in when and where you can go. I wouldn't buy right now unless it was an eBay sale for less than $2000 platinum at a resort that you'd be happy going to every year for the rest of time

What you have not indicated is whether you are on a beer budget or a champagne budget. Buying a week membership now on ebay is a beer budget opportunity and one I can get behind. However, I do not see many primo platinum weeks for $2000 that is a little unrealistic. However, you can get a gold Marriott for that price or even less on ebay (always include closing costs which are often 650) and have a lot of fun getting great trades. I would also recommend only buying a lockoff unit. For example we have gold (summer week) Marriott Summit Watch weeks that trade like tigers. Long story short - if you are spending 2,000 or less, why worry about your needs 20 years from now - that is advice more pertinent to shelling out 25,000. Just go on ebay, type in Marriott and go shopping for a gold lockoff that you think you would enjoy. Funtime
 

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Gold weeks in many resorts are a waste IMO...the annual annually increasing MF's are almost the same cost as platinum but gold weeks are often useless for 'families with kids' due to restricted holiday times considered 'prime' time. And in 20 years the MF costs could be $5000 a week and we wont even be able to give them away.

There have been many platinum weeks sold on eBay over the last year for less than $2000 as you can find on earlier threads? Such as...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARRIOTTS-M...10761659242?pt=Timeshares&hash=item19c9e8cb6a
 
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I know many people post here about renting being the way to go so I watched this for awhile on several sites. What I found was a resort I wanted to go to at a specific time wasn't available or a couple of times I did it wasn't cheaper than the MFs.

Renting, like someone else posted, may be okay for a one time shot if you are lucky enough to find the resort you want with the correct dates, but I don't think it will work long term.
 

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I know many people post here about renting being the way to go so I watched this for awhile on several sites. What I found was a resort I wanted to go to at a specific time wasn't available or a couple of times I did it wasn't cheaper than the MFs.

Renting, like someone else posted, may be okay for a one time shot if you are lucky enough to find the resort you want with the correct dates, but I don't think it will work long term.

Well, I think you have some unrealistic expectations here. Your complaint seems to be that people trying to rent won't subsidize your vacation. Why would anyone rent for less than it costs them, unless they have no choice? I haven't read any credible posts suggesting you could expect to rent for less than maintenance fees. The real comparison should be with Marriott listings. When you do that, then the advantages of third-party rentals jump out.
Furthermore, even if you do pay more than maintenance fees alone, the renter may still be subsidizing your vacation, as he/she has many additional "hidden" expenses to absorb. These include loss of income on the hefty amounts "invested" in their timeshare (usually purchased retail from the developer), interest payments if the purchase was financed, and even more hefty losses on the value of those timeshares as reflected in the resale world. In most cases, from what I've seen, rentals via TUG and Redweek represent outstanding value.

As to availability, that varies widely from resort to resort. Places like Ko Olina, Maui, Newport and many others have LONG lists of offerings. Yes, you need some flexibility, but even owners often have to practice that virtue.
 

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Well, I think you have some unrealistic expectations here. Your complaint seems to be that people trying to rent won't subsidize your vacation. Why would anyone rent for less than it costs them, unless they have no choice? I haven't read any credible posts suggesting you could expect to rent for less than maintenance fees. The real comparison should be with Marriott listings. When you do that, then the advantages of third-party rentals jump out.
Furthermore, even if you do pay more than maintenance fees alone, the renter may still be subsidizing your vacation, as he/she has many additional "hidden" expenses to absorb. These include loss of income on the hefty amounts "invested" in their timeshare (usually purchased retail from the developer), interest payments if the purchase was financed, and even more hefty losses on the value of those timeshares as reflected in the resale world. In most cases, from what I've seen, rentals via TUG and Redweek represent outstanding value.

As to availability, that varies widely from resort to resort. Places like Ko Olina, Maui, Newport and many others have LONG lists of offerings. Yes, you need some flexibility, but even owners often have to practice that virtue.

:shrug: I think the poster was just stating why owning a TS works for him instead of renting. His MF is less than or equal what a rental would be. He has more availabilty owning versus renting.
 

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Trading is only easier if you have complete flexibility in when and where you can go. I wouldn't buy right now unless it was an eBay sale for less than $2000 platinum at a resort that you'd be happy going to every year for the rest of time, and one where annual fees and travel costs doubling in 5 years wouldn't bother you. Rent...in most cases these days owners will rent just to cover their maintenance. Don't buy into Marriott's new point system...it's way too expensive compared to resales and destined to fail or be sold to Westgate IMO.

Perfect summary of where things stand today in timeshare.
 

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A) Buy at a resort you will use.
B) Buy on the secondary market, i.e., resale from a current owner. eBay is typically, but not always the lowest price route.
C) Buy a Platinum or Platinum Plus week. These are the most desireable weeks in each location. They trade best but more importantly rent for the most money. Go to RedWeek and look at the rental market as well as the supply of "For Sale" and "For Rent" properties.
D) Buy something that rents for at least 2x the Maintenance Fees.
E) Don't trade a $3,000 per week location for a $1,200 per week. Rent yours out and take the proceeds to rent the lower cost location and apply the residual towards your MF's.
F) Buy a "lockoff" unit. You won't always have additional family members or friends to travel with you and you will be able to turn your one week into two and amortize your MF's over 14 days versus 7.
G) Not a must, but if you buy something you can drive to, you can take a fabulous vacation without the additional cost of flights and rental car. This is a nice idea for a 2nd or 3rd purchase.
H) Buy at the end of the year, like right now, as folks give theirs away to avoid paying next year's MF's which are due in January.

A) and B) CHECK. My silver Shadow Ridge just passed ROFR, so if all goes well, in a few weeks I'll be good to go.
C) Eh, I've got kids and summer is the best time for us. Don't mind the heat. Plus when I can get a silver for week for next to nothing, and assuming Marriott trades fairly well on II anyway regardless of week, I'm fine.
D) Prob not happening with summer Palm Desert but no worries.
E) Noted
F) CHECK
G) CHECK
H) CHECK

After reading several threads here on TUB, I don't care about this whole DC points crap at all.
 

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Well, I think you have some unrealistic expectations here. Your complaint seems to be that people trying to rent won't subsidize your vacation. Why would anyone rent for less than it costs them, unless they have no choice? I haven't read any credible posts suggesting you could expect to rent for less than maintenance fees. The real comparison should be with Marriott listings. When you do that, then the advantages of third-party rentals jump out.
Furthermore, even if you do pay more than maintenance fees alone, the renter may still be subsidizing your vacation, as he/she has many additional "hidden" expenses to absorb. These include loss of income on the hefty amounts "invested" in their timeshare (usually purchased retail from the developer), interest payments if the purchase was financed, and even more hefty losses on the value of those timeshares as reflected in the resale world. In most cases, from what I've seen, rentals via TUG and Redweek represent outstanding value.

As to availability, that varies widely from resort to resort. Places like Ko Olina, Maui, Newport and many others have LONG lists of offerings. Yes, you need some flexibility, but even owners often have to practice that virtue.

I think you took wrong what I said. First, I have seen numerous posts where people have said one could usually rent cheaper than the MFs are. I never said that, but I found after checking it was not true. Read my post again. As far as being flexible I was comparing these checks to my resorts at the times I had reservations at my 0wn resorts.

I wasn't complaining about anything only comparing what I have found comparing renting to owning. Owning works for me and I don't expect anyone to subsidize my vacations.
 
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My personal opinion, is DON'T BUY........RENT.

Many timeshares have become liabilities and not assets, and I believe that the whole financial model that once made Marriott timeshare attractive, has now blown-up (in many circumstances).

Not to suggest that you won't enjoy great vacations at Marriott Vacation Club resorts, and I think you will. But rather than tie your money up with something in which the future benefits/ liabilities are highly uncertain, I'd suggest that you consider renting.
 

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I think you took wrong what I said. First, I have seen numerous posts where people have said one could usually rent cheaper than the MFs are. I never said this was true, and I found after checking it wasn't. Read my post again. As far as being flexible I was comparing these checks to my resorts at the times I had reservations at my own resorts. I really don't expect anyone to subsidize my vacations.

Sorry my bad, this got posted twice.
 

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:shrug: I think the poster was just stating why owning a TS works for him instead of renting. His MF is less than or equal what a rental would be. He has more availabilty owning versus renting.

And he has upfront money - and an obligation to fees every use year - a renter doesn't with no easy out. IF it is for use only - maybe an occasional rent out/trade as in once in 5 years - and at a place they MUST go each use period then maybe it's a value. Otherwise, unfortunately, the vast majority of timeshares are millstones not assets. Over development and unrealistic retail prices with no resale market have led us to this unfortunate spot.
 

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My personal opinion, is DON'T BUY........RENT.

Many timeshares have become liabilities and not assets, and I believe that the whole financial model that once made Marriott timeshare attractive, has now blown-up (in many circumstances).

Not to suggest that you won't enjoy great vacations at Marriott Vacation Club resorts, and I think you will. But rather than tie your money up with something in which the future benefits/ liabilities are highly uncertain, I'd suggest that you consider renting.

Don't buy a bad timeshare. Buy a profitable timeshare. There are plenty and an educated consumer knows where to find them.

Can you promise me that I'll be able to rent a 2-bedroom condo with a beautiful view on HHI Memorial Day week for $1,100 (add 3% per year if you'd like) 10 years from now? If you can get it for essentially the transfer cost why is that a bad financial deal?

Just be smart about your purchase.
 

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Don't buy a bad timeshare. Buy a profitable timeshare. There are plenty and an educated consumer knows where to find them.

Can you promise me that I'll be able to rent a 2-bedroom condo with a beautiful view on HHI Memorial Day week for $1,100 (add 3% per year if you'd like) 10 years from now? If you can get it for essentially the transfer cost why is that a bad financial deal?

Just be smart about your purchase.

guaranteed you will have far less spent and hold no future obligations if you rent over the next ten + years. And you can reliably rent the dates & view you want. Only if you want a particular unit & are willing to pay more to have it should you buy. And I'd want an owner controlled Association as the developer run ones treat them as guaranteed profit centers. No control is a bad way to own.

Do you need an address to send the implied bet to?
 
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