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The real deal about Ivermectin.

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"Conclusion
We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains. IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above [34,36,37]. In the current international emergency of COVID-19, with mutant viral strains, vaccination refusals and potentially waning immunities over months presenting new challenges, IVM can be an effective component of the mix of therapeutics deployed against this pandemic."

By the way, the FDA is not without fail either, until recently the vaccine was "perfectly safe", now to know it poses an important risk for the young boys (and not only). They have mountain of data to process, probably unprecedented and they will take time. If I am not mistaken, NIH is funding research on IVM, so at least someone there must think there is something to consider.
 

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"Conclusion
We believe that the evidence to date supports the worldwide extension of IVM treatments for COVID-19, complementary to immunizations. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, as reviewed [8], possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains. IVM has been safely used in 3.7 billion doses since 1987, well tolerated even at much greater than standard doses [34,35] and used without serious AEs in the three high-dose COVID-19 treatment studies noted above [34,36,37]. In the current international emergency of COVID-19, with mutant viral strains, vaccination refusals and potentially waning immunities over months presenting new challenges, IVM can be an effective component of the mix of therapeutics deployed against this pandemic."

By the way, the FDA is not without fail either, until recently the vaccine was "perfectly safe", now to know it poses an important risk for the young boys (and not only). They have mountain of data to process, probably unprecedented and they will take time. If I am not mistaken, NIH is funding research on IVM, so at least someone there must think there is something to consider.


Conclusion

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


What is ivermectin, and how did people get the idea it can treat covid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/09/10/ivermectin-covid-humans/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
 

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both "sides" !! :rolleyes:


Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


What is ivermectin, and how did people get the idea it can treat covid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/09/10/ivermectin-covid-humans/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

You do realize that the FDA claimed Ivermectin is a wonder drug in 2017 when the Nobel Prize was given to the men who created it for human use.

Bill

 

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You do realize that the FDA claimed Ivermectin is a wonder drug in 2017 when the Nobel Prize was given to the men who created it for human use.

Bill

You do realize that was not for covid.
 

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You do realize that the FDA claimed Ivermectin is a wonder drug in 2017 when the Nobel Prize was given to the men who created it for human use.

Bill



Oh wow ..... I will rush down to the local Tractor Supply store


Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


What is ivermectin, and how did people get the idea it can treat covid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/09/10/ivermectin-covid-humans/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
 

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You do realize that was not for covid.

Yes. Billions of doses taken with barely a problem until now mostly in 3rd world countries. Those same countries report not as much covid problems as 1st world countries. This is what the NCBI has to say about that.

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Conclusions:
The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use is an attractive hypothesis. Additional studies are needed to confirm it.
 

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Oh wow ..... I will rush down to the local Tractor Supply store


Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


What is ivermectin, and how did people get the idea it can treat covid?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/09/10/ivermectin-covid-humans/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

Brett, you insult our intelligence with this stuff. We all seem to agree that vaccinations are the best preventative measure a person can take against covid. No one is advocating for use of "tractor supply" vet products and the reports of this are bs. If these are not bs reports then link one with a persons name that has used these products and ended up in the hospital. It hasn't happened in any significant way.

Bill
 

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Brett, you insult our intelligence with this stuff. We all seem to agree that vaccinations are the best preventative measure a person can take against covid. No one is advocating for use of "tractor supply" vet products and the reports of this are bs. If these are not bs reports then link one with a persons name that has used these products and ended up in the hospital. It hasn't happened in any significant way.

Bill


so sorry


Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


What is ivermectin, and how did people get the idea it can treat covid?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/09/10/ivermectin-covid-humans/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
 

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Brett, you insult our intelligence with this stuff. We all seem to agree that vaccinations are the best preventative measure a person can take against covid. No one is advocating for use of "tractor supply" vet products and the reports of this are bs. If these are not bs reports then link one with a persons name that has used these products and ended up in the hospital. It hasn't happened in any significant way.

Bill
More insulting to ones intelligence is the use of NYT and WP as scientific research resources. Do some research of independent medical journals were this issue is presented, consider them even if those facts they do not fit your perspective.
 

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Yes. Billions of doses taken with barely a problem until now mostly in 3rd world countries. Those same countries report not as much covid problems as 1st world countries. This is what the NCBI has to say about that.

Bill


Conclusions:
The incidence in mortality rates and number of cases is significantly lower among the APOC countries compared to non-APOC countries. That a mass public health preventive campaign against COVID-19 may have taken place, inadvertently, in some African countries with massive community ivermectin use is an attractive hypothesis. Additional studies are needed to confirm it.
Asia has much less covid too what hypothesis do they have on that.

here are the studies that your source asks for.



Now to your study.

Data from 19 countries that participated in the World Health Organization (WHO) sponsored African Programme for Onchocerciasis Control (APOC), from 1995 until 2015


Really. Ivermectin taken 5 to 25 years before the pandemic is curing it.
 
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Local livestock, horses, could be 'very sick' if
lvermectin shortage hits.




Richard

This is true. Ranchers are stocking up anticipating a shortage. There are many farms and ranches in Central Washington that use Ivermectin for livestock. It's not regular people buying this up as reported by msm.

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Really. Ivermectin taken 5 to 25 years before the pandemic is curing it.

It seems to be preventing it, not curing it is what seems to have happened. Same thing for all 3rd world countries that use this to control parasitic infection in humans including parts of Asia.

Your last link was removed. Do you wonder why ?

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It seems to be preventing it, not curing it is what seems to have happened. Same thing for all 3rd world countries that use this to control parasitic infection in humans including parts of Asia.

Your last link was removed. Do you wonder why ?

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No need to wonder why. Simple copy paste error. Not a big conspiracy. Do you really think a medicine with a half life of 2 days is still helping 25 yrs later....ok

here you go.
 

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No need to wonder why. Simple copy paste error. Not a big conspiracy. Do you really think a medicine with a half life of 2 days is still helping 25 yrs later....ok

here you go.

Ivermectin is used with other drugs and supplements as a a successful therapy used to help covid patients. It is odd that other countries, with no politics involved, they have found a benefit in using an Ivermectin therapy. A study of Ivermectin therapy was completed and there were no adverse effects to Ivermectin for any group.

Do you agree with msm that using Ivermectin in a professional setting causes adverse health effects ?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04646109
 

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Ivermectin is used with other drugs and supplements as a a successful therapy used to help covid patients. It is odd that other countries, with no politics involved, they have found a benefit in using an Ivermectin therapy. A study of Ivermectin therapy was completed and there were no adverse effects to Ivermectin for any group.

Do you agree with msm that using Ivermectin in a professional setting causes adverse health effects ?

I agree it makes a good horse de-wormer, probably why it's sold at Tractor Supply



Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

Why You Shouldn’t Take Ivermectin for COVID-19

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-you-shouldnt-take-animal-ivermectin-for-covid-19/


Some Americans ignore warnings against using ivermectin to treat Covid
Clinical trials have repeatedly failed to show that the drug is effective against the virus
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/09/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine
 

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Ivermectin is used with other drugs and supplements as a a successful therapy used to help covid patients. It is odd that other countries, with no politics involved, they have found a benefit in using an Ivermectin therapy. A study of Ivermectin therapy was completed and there were no adverse effects to Ivermectin for any group.

Do you agree with msm that using Ivermectin in a professional setting causes adverse health effects ?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04646109
You are putting words in a lot of mouths. Please show any reference that Ivermectin has been labeled as a health issue when done under a dr care.. Now the horse formulation you will find it.

And I have written many times that I have no problem with a patient using ivermectin under a drs care.

But don't let what people actually say interfere with your story.

Notice no comment on the 12 studies that show no effect and the one that shows increased mortality on the NIH web site. I do not cherry pick so will mention a couple show some benefit. Not exactly a miracle drug for covid. But then if you believe the fda,nih,cdc, and the maker of the drug are in a vast conspiracy to kill people needlessly we probably will never see eye to eye.
 

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Ivermectin is used with other drugs and supplements as a a successful therapy used to help covid patients. It is odd that other countries, with no politics involved, they have found a benefit in using an Ivermectin therapy. A study of Ivermectin therapy was completed and there were no adverse effects to Ivermectin for any group.

Do you agree with msm that using Ivermectin in a professional setting causes adverse health effects ?

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04646109
Average age of participant


control 66
test 58

The study is hard to read but it also seems that the control group was also a little sicker with pre existing conditions. The results did not show any big differences. Usually in the 10% range or less and with only 30 patients the differences are 1 to 2 patients that are older and sicker.
 

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Now the horse formulation you will find it

Who are these people using horse paste Ivermectin ? No one has provided a name. The original article was in a Rolling Stones article that was debunked by the same hospital. The claim was the hospital had a run of people sick from using veterinary Ivermectin. The msm outlets picked it up.

So far, only one couple that had used aquarium cleaner is the only sick people using a product not intended for humans. Please link anyone real. Even if you find a few idiots that did use this off label it would only be a few compared to the billions that had taken Ivermectin with no problem.

The study I provided shows no adverse effects to those "old people" that had the Ivermectin treatment.

Bottom line, Ivermectin is a safe drug. If you say otherwise you are advancing a fake narrative, imo.

Bill
 

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Who are these people using horse paste Ivermectin ? No one has provided a name. The original article was in a Rolling Stones article that was debunked by the same hospital. The claim was the hospital had a run of people sick from using veterinary Ivermectin. The msm outlets picked it up.

So far, only one couple that had used aquarium cleaner is the only sick people using a product not intended for humans. Please link anyone real. Even if you find a few idiots that did use this off label it would only be a few compared to the billions that had taken Ivermectin with no problem.

The study I provided shows no adverse effects to those "old people" that had the Ivermectin treatment.

Bottom line, Ivermectin is a safe drug. If you say otherwise you are advancing a fake narrative, imo.

Bill

Bottom line: Ivermectin does not prevent Covid or is a treatment for Covid - . if you say otherwise you are advancing a fake narrative, (imo)

Supporter Whose Demand For Ivermectin Fueled Attacks Against Chicago Hospital Dies Of Covid

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemima...icago-hospital-dies-of-covid/?sh=160eeb2d2af0

An anti-vaccine activist and QAnon advocate whose demands to be treated with deworming drug ivermectin sparked a right-wing harassment campaign against the Chicago hospital where she was being treated has died from complications due to Covid-19, the hospital confirmed to Forbes on Monday.
 
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Who are these people using horse paste Ivermectin ? No one has provided a name. The original article was in a Rolling Stones article that was debunked by the same hospital. The claim was the hospital had a run of people sick from using veterinary Ivermectin. The msm outlets picked it up.

So far, only one couple that had used aquarium cleaner is the only sick people using a product not intended for humans. Please link anyone real. Even if you find a few idiots that did use this off label it would only be a few compared to the billions that had taken Ivermectin with no problem.

The study I provided shows no adverse effects to those "old people" that had the Ivermectin treatment.

Bottom line, Ivermectin is a safe drug. If you say otherwise you are advancing a fake narrative, imo.

Bill
When you asked this question a couple days ago I gave links to local news sources stating that people were buying it for personal use. Names of employees that said as much were given. Why ask the question again if you refuse to look at the answer. Remember the article that was not from the rolling stone about all the calls to poison control. Multiple states said this. If they got it from the dr would they be doing that or would they call the dr. People are buying the animal formulations for their own use. Just google it and you find many articles that say this.

And portraying this safe nobel winning drug as a cure for covid is completely irresponsible. Or again are all the scientific organizations in a big conspiracy. You haven't explained how that is happening yet. Please comment on all the studies the NIH have on their web site that says it does not work. Ignoring data that goes against your opinion does not make it true.

And for at least the 6th time I never said what you said I did. It is safe UNDER THE CARE OF A DR. You absolutely refuse to acknowledge what people actually write.


here is one more...not rolling stone.



According to the Mississippi Health Department: “At least 70% of the recent calls [to the state poison control centre] have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin.”

and here it is straight from MS poison control

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Dear Colleagues,

• The Mississippi Poison Control Center has received an increasing number of calls from
individuals with potential ivermectin exposure taken to treat or prevent COVID-19
infection.
• At least 70% of the recent calls have been related to ingestion of livestock or animal
formulations of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply centers.
 

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The study I provided shows no adverse effects to those "old people" that had the Ivermectin treatment.
Agreed no adverse effects on humans or the virus. Kind of skipped that part.
 

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Agreed no adverse effects on humans or the virus. Kind of skipped that part.

So 23 people equate to a 590% increase in calls within a 2 month timeframe. This is Texas. In 3 weeks 17 people called in Mississippi. I google this and no one had died from vet type Ivermectin that I can find.

Certainly Ivermectin alone does little for covid because it is only one part of a therapy. You know this. So yes, I agree that Ivermectin alone does little for covid but when used as a part of a supervised therapy it apparently does something for some people according to patients and doctors that use this.

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So 23 people equate to a 590% increase in calls within a 2 month timeframe. This is Texas. In 3 weeks 17 people called in Mississippi. I google this and no one had died from vet type Ivermectin that I can find.

Certainly Ivermectin alone does little for covid because it is only one part of a therapy. You know this. So yes, I agree that Ivermectin alone does little for covid but when used as a part of a supervised therapy it apparently does something for some people according to patients and doctors that use this.

Bill
you better tell the NIH. Their studies say otherwise.
 

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So 23 people equate to a 590% increase in calls within a 2 month timeframe. This is Texas. In 3 weeks 17 people called in Mississippi. I google this and no one had died from vet type Ivermectin that I can find.

Certainly Ivermectin alone does little for covid because it is only one part of a therapy. You know this. So yes, I agree that Ivermectin alone does little for covid but when used as a part of a supervised therapy it apparently does something for some people according to patients and doctors that use this.

Bill
Please tell me which noted epidemiologists suggest Ivermectin as "part of a therapy" for the pandemic. I'm sure it "does something" but I don't think that is necessarily a good "something". One would think a trip to the drug store to pick up a different RX would have me seeing signs about "ask your pharmacist if Ivermectin is right for you". Also not seeing the tv commercials getting the word out.

If this is such a miracle drug to treat covid, where is the push to use it? Not from med professionals.
 
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