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I saw that press release and wondered what hotel(s) they will find to put people in that will cost $2000. per person for 3 nights. That is $666.00 per night per person! Even if all meals are included that is still outrageous. I just checked some prices at a half dozen high end hotels around the Toronto airport on hotels dot com and could not find one that was over $200./night for 2 people. The PCR test cost at the moment is around $200. each so that might be added into the cost but it still doesn't add up. Does he have a secret money making deal with a couple of hotel chains so folks can be charged exorbitant rates and the Gov't gets a big chunk?

The other thing I think is a bit weird, is that all incoming passengers need to have a negative PCR (not rapid) Covid test to fly into Canada within 72 hrs of the flight. Then they are to have another PCR test upon landing. There are lots of cases (my cousin's husband included) where people have tested negative for many days in a row then come out with symptoms up to 10 days after exposure. The Gov't has stated many times it has millions of rapid tests in storage and more on order -why not use those?

I'm glad its 2 more months before we leave Belize and (hopefully) head back home -maybe some of this confusion will get straightened out by then and logic will prevail.


~Diane
 
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I don't read this as it will always cost $2000 more of a this could cost you up to $2000. Either way between that and shutting down flights to sun destinations will stop people from leaving and coming back to Canada unless it really is necessary. My question is how many security people are they going to hire to check up on people quarantining? My husband who works in healthcare in Alberta is hearing it's already too late that the UK variant is already circulating around our province. As my father would say shutting the barn door after the horse is out.
 

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I don't read this as it will always cost $2000 more of a this could cost you up to $2000. Either way between that and shutting down flights to sun destinations will stop people from leaving and coming back to Canada unless it really is necessary. My question is how many security people are they going to hire to check up on people quarantining? My husband who works in healthcare in Alberta is hearing it's already too late that the UK variant is already circulating around our province. As my father would say shutting the barn door after the horse is out.

Yes the UK variant is raging in Ontario. There is a nursing home in Barrie (near our home) where 128 of the 129 residents have been infected and all seem to be the UK variant. There have been 54 deaths, including 1 care giver, there in the last 3 weeks.

Supposedly a large chunk of the $2000./person/stay cost is for security at the facilities where travelers need to stay while they wait for the test results.
These restrictions on people entering Canada should have been implemented a year ago.

~Diane

Edited to add 4 more deaths today to the total at the Roberta Place nursing home. :cry:
 
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I guess my travel plans are dashed for quite awhile.

I miss fleshing out the deals too and there were plenty to be had.


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I hope the USA doesn't push it this far. Just having to take an antigen test for flying and 7 days of home quarantine upon returning have made many Americans cancel their plans.

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Great. Finally, something is being done to prevent people from flying. Although it is late, but better late than never. There have been too many flying out of the country for vacations, when we are constantly being told to stay at home.

There are several caribbean countries that have the same protocols. I know that in Barbados, negative PCR test was required to fly in, then upon arrival people had to go to a quarantine hotel (which they had to pay), another test was done within 2 days (which they had to pay for) and then people had to remain in that hotel until they received a negative test.
The same thing will now have to be done here. Board a plane with a negative PCR test, arrive at a Canadian airport, get another test, go to the quarantine hotel, wait for a negative result. If the test is negative, people can proceed home but still have to continue their quarantine period at home. If the test is positive, people will then have to be taken to a government facility and then be retested again.

Of course this is expensive. The hotels have to keep people separated, not all rooms can be used, rooms have to be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. Security personnel
have to be hired to make sure people remain in the hotel, testing has to be done by private companies. I’m not sure yet, but food may be provided.

Unfortunately, this affects everyone, because of people who think they know better and refuse to listen to what doctors have been telling us.
 

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I hope the USA doesn't push it this far. Just having to take an antigen test for flying and 7 days of home quarantine upon returning have made many Americans cancel their plans.

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That is exactly why this is happening! People do not want to listen to what health officials have been saying for many months now.
 

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......will cost $2000. per person for 3 nights......Toronto airport ......could not find one that was over $200./night for 2 people. The PCR test cost at the moment is around $200. each so that might be added into the cost but it still doesn't add up. .......~Diane

Orange juice is $ 300 a glass x 3 days
ask Bev Oda how that works..........
 

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My Brother-in-law flew back to Toronto from Florida, after taking one of the rapid tests. When he got off the plane, he was told he would be escorted to a quarantine hotel north of the airport. He had to get tested and stay there until his test came back. All his meals were delivered to his room by people in hazmat suits. Lucky for him that he came home before the rules changed, and people will have to pay for their sojourns in these hotels.

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That is exactly why this is happening! People do not want to listen to what health officials have been saying for many months now.

I think most Canadians do abide. Same with Americans.

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That is exactly why this is happening! People do not want to listen to what health officials have been saying for many months now.
Didn't New Zealand ban last spring all incoming traveling against the WHO recommendation at the time? As you can see science is never settled but always challenged. I am not saying people should not follow the recommendations but those that keep on saying that the "science" is settled may be proved wrong very fast.
 
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all I can say is that I’m seriously starting to look at moving to the US. I’m so tired of being treated like a criminal in my own country.
 

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The "new rules" what a laugh. Previous, return, quarantine for 14 days, must have a quarantine plan. Next, added must have negative test prior to your return flight to Canada. Now Added testing for those returning to Canada AND now you will be fined and jailed, brought to a hotel like detention center for at least 3 days. Now I'm sure those hiding in their basements will tell us about the "science" behind this latest move, a cover up for the failures of the government circus covid response. And just for good measure...Ontario is NOW demanding testing at the airport. And if you still drink the cool aide of the government, ask why does a $49.00 test now cost at least $200.00? Yes, it's all in the scientific data. (sarcasm if you didn't know)
 

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all I can say is that I’m seriously starting to look at moving to the US. I’m so tired of being treated like a criminal in my own country.
Depending on what state you move to, it won't be much different here. Unless by here, meaning where I am, Florida, then it may be different. Perhaps one of the least COVID restricted states.

I found the results of a survey discussed in this Toronto Sun video to be kind of interesting. It seems that most Canadians support restrictions, fines and imprisonment for violating COVID restrictions. But interestingly enough, they don't want the government tracking their phone, but are okay with them entering a home without a warrant.
 

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One of the national networks took a camera out to Pearson yesterday. In the short clip it looked fairly busy....where are all these people coming and going from on a Monday yet?
 

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Can one drive across the border then fly in and out of the US? Do the quarantine measures apply to those driving across the border?
 

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Can one drive across the border then fly in and out of the US? Do the quarantine measures apply to those driving across the border?
No non esensial travel by land at all. Not sure what that actually means in practice though.
 

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Can one drive across the border then fly in and out of the US? Do the quarantine measures apply to those driving across the border?

At the moment there are no 3 day motel quarantine requirements while waiting for tests at the land border crossings. I doubt they be started either as it would e nearly impossible to put folks up and store all the vehicles & RVs that cross every day for 3 days.

We are being bad and not staying home, but spending the winter in Belize, as we have done for the past 6 years. Since there are fewer positive tests and deaths in the whole country (pop. about 350,000) than in just the city of Barrie ON (very near our home -with a pop. of about 154,000) we feel safe here. We have been watching and reading about the new restrictions and thinking of our options. We will give Mr Trudeau $4000.00 ($2K ea) to spend 3 days in a 2 or 3 star motel with mediocre room service food as a very last resort when we come home.

One option we have looked into, and seems very possible, is changing our American Airlines flight to land at BUF instead of YYZ. Then we could rent a car from one of the 4 companies at the BUF airport that allow cars to be dropped off in Toronto and drive it to YYZ where our kids will have our van parked at the Park-n-Fly as they did last spring. Our flight change would be free and the car rental would be about $150. We would have a Covid PCR test before our flight out of Belize which should still be within the 72 hr validity period by the time we got to the border. Of course regulations/requirements may change by the end of March when we are scheduled to leave Belize.

Our other option, which DH is heavily in favor of, is changing our flight to MCO and using some of the many RCI points and our week we have left from last year and booking 4-6 weeks in Kissimmee where there seems to be a ton of availability any time. Even if we had to pay for some Last Call or Extra Vacation weeks it would be much cheaper than the $2k each for 3 days in Toronto! Since we are home owners in Florida maybe we could even get our vaccinations while we are there.


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At the moment there are no 3 day motel quarantine requirements while waiting for tests at the land border crossings. I doubt they be started either as it would e nearly impossible to put folks up and store all the vehicles & RVs that cross every day for 3 days.

We are being bad and not staying home, but spending the winter in Belize, as we have done for the past 6 years. Since there are fewer positive tests and deaths in the whole country (pop. about 350,000) than in just the city of Barrie ON (very near our home -with a pop. of about 154,000) we feel safe here. We have been watching and reading about the new restrictions and thinking of our options. We will give Mr Trudeau $4000.00 ($2K ea) to spend 3 days in a 2 or 3 star motel with mediocre room service food as a very last resort when we come home.

One option we have looked into, and seems very possible, is changing our American Airlines flight to land at BUF instead of YYZ. Then we could rent a car from one of the 4 companies at the BUF airport that allow cars to be dropped off in Toronto and drive it to YYZ where our kids will have our van parked at the Park-n-Fly as they did last spring. Our flight change would be free and the car rental would be about $150. We would have a Covid PCR test before our flight out of Belize which should still be within the 72 hr validity period by the time we got to the border. Of course regulations/requirements may change by the end of March when we are scheduled to leave Belize.

Our other option, which DH is heavily in favor of, is changing our flight to MCO and using some of the many RCI points and our week we have left from last year and booking 4-6 weeks in Kissimmee where there seems to be a ton of availability any time. Even if we had to pay for some Last Call or Extra Vacation weeks it would be much cheaper than the $2k each for 3 days in Toronto! Since we are home owners in Florida maybe we could even get our vaccinations while we are there.


~Diane

The DH plan sounds better than heading to the cold, imo. Nice to have warm weather options.

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At the moment there are no 3 day motel quarantine requirements while waiting for tests at the land border crossings. I doubt they be started either as it would e nearly impossible to put folks up and store all the vehicles & RVs that cross every day for 3 days.

We are being bad and not staying home, but spending the winter in Belize, as we have done for the past 6 years. Since there are fewer positive tests and deaths in the whole country (pop. about 350,000) than in just the city of Barrie ON (very near our home -with a pop. of about 154,000) we feel safe here. We have been watching and reading about the new restrictions and thinking of our options. We will give Mr Trudeau $4000.00 ($2K ea) to spend 3 days in a 2 or 3 star motel with mediocre room service food as a very last resort when we come home.

One option we have looked into, and seems very possible, is changing our American Airlines flight to land at BUF instead of YYZ. Then we could rent a car from one of the 4 companies at the BUF airport that allow cars to be dropped off in Toronto and drive it to YYZ where our kids will have our van parked at the Park-n-Fly as they did last spring. Our flight change would be free and the car rental would be about $150. We would have a Covid PCR test before our flight out of Belize which should still be within the 72 hr validity period by the time we got to the border. Of course regulations/requirements may change by the end of March when we are scheduled to leave Belize.

Our other option, which DH is heavily in favor of, is changing our flight to MCO and using some of the many RCI points and our week we have left from last year and booking 4-6 weeks in Kissimmee where there seems to be a ton of availability any time. Even if we had to pay for some Last Call or Extra Vacation weeks it would be much cheaper than the $2k each for 3 days in Toronto! Since we are home owners in Florida maybe we could even get our vaccinations while we are there.


~Diane
I’m in favor of the MCO route!!
 

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The DH plan sounds better than heading to the cold, imo. Nice to have warm weather options.
Bill

I agree, however my 90 yr old dad really depends on me to help him with things from housekeeping to grocery shopping since he only qualifies for 2hrs of home help every 2 weeks and my only (younger) sister has now been admitted to a Long Term Care facility. Dad is very afraid to go out anywhere since Barrie seems to be the Covid variant capital of Ontario. I would also like to see our kids and grandkids and other family members since, by then, it will have been over 3 mos since we've seen them person to person. Video chat just isn't the same. We will have to wait for a few more weeks and see what Mr Trudeau has planned.


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Dad is very afraid to go out anywhere since Barrie seems to be the Covid variant capital of Ontario.
Diane...I'm sure you are keeping regular tabs on the CV19 UK variant outbreak in Barrie, the worst outbreak in the country where I am, having relocated from HS Valley 7 years ago. The outbreak at Roberta Place LTC has now claimed 63 of the 129 residents in just 3/4 weeks. There is also evidence of community spread. There have been calls to put a temporary iron ring around the metropolis....no one in, no one out. I don't think that will happen, but the numbers locally are not diminishing. We have restricted our outings to just necessities and neighbourhood walks, double masking whenever we enter stores. This won't last forever but everyone is on edge here!
 
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