The Medical Industrial Complex

[joestein]

I can certainly see your point that his lie was justified.

However, in reality what your are really saying is:

- Lying is ok as long as the reason is justified. Such as not having a run on mask.
- The ends justify the means. Lying is Ok because then we will have enough masks for first responders, etc.

I think that you are ok with a lie as long it supports your logic. I would say that once a gov't official lies in public - everything he says thereafter is suspect. I can apply my own knowledge and logic to his statements and decide if I believe it or not. Just like I knew he was full of sh*t when he made the comment about masks. I dont need him to figure it out. I understand the basics of germs and I can see what was happening in China.

However as we discussed earlier in this chain, there are many other COVID agenda based 'facts' that are definite BS.

- Hospital overload is absolutely BS. I found the stats. 1.5% of patients at Boston area hospitals are covid-related. Similar in the county I live in, which has been lablel as a 'high transmission' location. I hear a lot of news about overflow, but not a lot of facts.

- Doubt about source of COVID.

- Doubt about CDC contribution to COVID research at facility that COVID might have originated from.

So many other things that I can't list at this time. I am not saying that they are all Fauci related, but it looks like he might have lied to Congress about the CDC funding that help create COVID. Here is the article in Newsweek discussing that.

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show (newsweek.com)

Joe

Don't forget..... Wizards first rule!

 

[joestein]

Who said no profit is being made? Hospitals are big business and the ones that don't turn a profit don't survive.

What I did say is that your contention that numbers are being over-reported because there's a 20% bonus in it for them to do so, is false. The 20% additional reimbursements authorized by the CARES Act were implemented because new more-effective drugs/treatments in the fight against COVID exceed the Medicare allowances for other drugs/treatments in the same class, so an additional 20% Medicare reimbursement was authorized so that Medicare-eligible patients would not be financially unable to gain access to those new more-effective drugs/treatments.

Sorry - There is cross-commenting going on here. Someone else said that hospitals were underreporting COVID. I was saying that hospitals would not under-report due to the 20% payment. Also that hospitals are making a profit on that 20% (thought I don't have any proof of that specifically).

 

[bluehende]

- Hospital overload is absolutely BS. I found the stats. 1.5% of patients at Boston area hospitals are covid-related. Similar in the county I live in, which has been lablel as a 'high transmission' location. I hear a lot of news about overflow, but not a lot of facts.

I will ask for the third time the same question Show any article in the last few weeks that say boston hospitals are overloaded. The only bs is what you are spewing. But you will ignore this again making a claim that boston in October is Florida in August

 

[hurnik]

Please show me where Fauci lied and admitted he lied.

Given the lockdowns that were happening, people were to be home, not out and about. If I recall, he was specific in "most ordinary Americans" don't need a mask. He did not say No Mask Anyone, you're cool, get out there and spread it. Context matters, point in time matters. I probably said stupid stuff when I was 5 years old but anyone holding that against me now has a bigger problem than I do for having said anything when I was 5.

But when you refer to "they", who the hell is that?? "They" isn't Fauci. He is his own man and he has been in this field for a long time. "They" are politicians? Nurses? CDC? WHO? Your local health department or hospital administrator? Everyone is a liar? Really??!! Let's get some refrigerator trucks in here and make it look like the body count is higher than it is? For what purpose?

You think hospitals aren't overflowing? That's it's fake news? Cripes, man, go forth and doubt everything but be sure to circle back by with something you find that is actually factual. So we can accuse you of lying.

MSN

www.msn.com

Which then links to:

Trump let the experts lie about masks, and 30M jobs died

The biggest scandal of Donald Trump's presidency isn't the Russia collusion farce, nor the more serious (but still forgotten) Ukraine controversy that led to his impeachment. It's not the disgraceful tweets accusing a television host of murder, nor even his public petty spats with White House…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[davidvel]

MSN

www.msn.com

Which then links to:

Trump let the experts lie about masks, and 30M jobs died

The biggest scandal of Donald Trump's presidency isn't the Russia collusion farce, nor the more serious (but still forgotten) Ukraine controversy that led to his impeachment. It's not the disgraceful tweets accusing a television host of murder, nor even his public petty spats with White House…

www.washingtonexaminer.com

This woman's opinion states:
Despite the early assertions of Fauci and the rest of the so-called "experts," there was always some science backing the hypothesis that masks could mitigate at least some coronavirus transmission.

In February, Fauci stated:
Masks are really for infected people to prevent them from spreading infection to people who are not infected rather than protecting uninfected people from acquiring infection. The typical mask you buy in the drug store is not really effective in keeping out virus, which is small enough to pass through material. It might, however, provide some slight benefit in keep out gross droplets if someone coughs or sneezes on you.

The early CDC guidance was for people to use homemade cloth masks. If they (and Fauci) were telling people to shelter at home, stay away from other people, and not use masks because nurses and doctors needed them to treat patients, I am glad they did this, whether one considers it a lie is up to them (you.)

 

[davidvel]

I can certainly see your point that his lie was justified.

However, in reality what your are really saying is:

- Lying is ok as long as the reason is justified. Such as not having a run on mask.
- The ends justify the means. Lying is Ok because then we will have enough masks for first responders, etc.

I think that you are ok with a lie as long it supports your logic. I would say that once a gov't official lies in public - everything he says thereafter is suspect. I can apply my own knowledge and logic to his statements and decide if I believe it or not. Just like I knew he was full of sh*t when we made the comment about masks. I dont need him to figure it out. I understand the basics of germs and I can see what was happening in China.

However as we discussed earlier in this chain, there are many other COVID agenda based 'facts' that are definite BS.

- Hospital overload is absolutely BS. I found the stats. 1.5% of patients at Boston area hospitals are covid-related. Similar in the county I live in, which has been lablel as a 'high transmission' location. I hear a lot of news about overflow, but not a lot of facts.

- Doubt about source of COVID.

- Doubt about CDC contribution to COVID research at facility that COVID might have originated from.

So many other things that I can't list at this time. I am not saying that they are all Fauci related, but it looks like he might have lied to Congress about the CDC funding that help create COVID. Here is the article in Newsweek discussing that.

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show (newsweek.com)

Joe

Don't forget..... Wizards first rule!

BBS tip: If you are responding to someone (which it appears you are), use the REPLY button so someone other than you knows who and what you are responding to. This has already caused lots of confusion by you.

 

[geekette]

I can certainly see your point that his lie was justified.

However, in reality what your are really saying is:

- Lying is ok as long as the reason is justified. Such as not having a run on mask.
- The ends justify the means. Lying is Ok because then we will have enough masks for first responders, etc.

I think that you are ok with a lie as long it supports your logic. I would say that once a gov't official lies in public - everything he says thereafter is suspect. I can apply my own knowledge and logic to his statements and decide if I believe it or not. Just like I knew he was full of sh*t when he made the comment about masks. I dont need him to figure it out. I understand the basics of germs and I can see what was happening in China.

However as we discussed earlier in this chain, there are many other COVID agenda based 'facts' that are definite BS.

- Hospital overload is absolutely BS. I found the stats. 1.5% of patients at Boston area hospitals are covid-related. Similar in the county I live in, which has been lablel as a 'high transmission' location. I hear a lot of news about overflow, but not a lot of facts.

- Doubt about source of COVID.

- Doubt about CDC contribution to COVID research at facility that COVID might have originated from.

So many other things that I can't list at this time. I am not saying that they are all Fauci related, but it looks like he might have lied to Congress about the CDC funding that help create COVID. Here is the article in Newsweek discussing that.

Fauci Was 'Untruthful' to Congress About Wuhan Lab Research, New Documents Appear To Show (newsweek.com)

Joe

Don't forget..... Wizards first rule!

I simply dispute the term "lied". Fauci has decades of credibility.

 

[Ralph Sir Edward]

Meanwhile back in Japan. . .

Vaccines, masks? Japan puzzling over sudden virus success

Ivermectin?

「今こそイベルメクチンを使え」東京都医師会の尾崎治夫会長が語ったその効能 : NEWS特集 : 記事・論考 : 調査研究 : 読売新聞オンライン

Basically the same decline curve of that of the Indian states during the mass use of Ivermectin in April/May.

Also note the lack of decline in the UK, which is heavily vaxxed.

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Look at the daily new cases graphic.

 

[bluehende]

Meanwhile back in Japan. . .

Vaccines, masks? Japan puzzling over sudden virus success

Ivermectin?

「今こそイベルメクチンを使え」東京都医師会の尾崎治夫会長が語ったその効能 : NEWS特集 : 記事・論考 : 調査研究 : 読売新聞オンライン

Basically the same decline curve of that of the Indian states during the mass use of Ivermectin in April/May.

Also note the lack of decline in the UK, which is heavily vaxxed.

United Kingdom COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United Kingdom Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Look at the daily new cases graphic.

Daily new COVID-19 cases have plummeted from a mid-August peak of nearly 6,000 in Tokyo, with caseloads in the densely populated capital now routinely below 100, an 11-month low.

What could possibly have happened this summer in Tokyo that may have contributed to an outbreak?