Will we be flexible, or will we keep reducing dissonance by insisting that our earliest decisions were right?
To demonstrate interconnection, just play
Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, now apply that to our mundane lives and you will see the futility of that concept.
and yet many demonstrate inflexibility in thinking- anything that doesn’t support their tribal way of thinking is picked apart, while things that do are outlandishly defended. (See Sweden argument
) Completely agree on the inter connectivity. Why it’s frustrating with the “just stay home” crowd- they don’t see how connected they are to the ones who can’t stay home - food industry, trucking industry (and then suppliers to fpgas stations, mechanics, food etc). And the ones who refuse to do any risk mitigation as well.
And so YOUR solution is to increase false negatives, increase spread of disease, increase deaths? Sure, that'll certainly solve the economic impact of a pandemic.
Maybe I'm an outlier, but seems to me the best way to recover the economy, get business back, and return to "normal" is to NOT get sick. I don't see increasing cases, the intent of what you think is "right," as the solution to anything. To the contrary, it is the problem. Ask Sweden.
The implicit "it's all a hoax" viewpoint is not very convincing to ER and ICU staff, not to mention the coroners and funeral homes. Or anyone else with their head above the sand.
Has been addressed BUT SO SICK OF BEING TOLD IM AN IDIOT, DENIER, ANTI-whatever just for questioning the reasoning. Since when did examining all sides become taboo? This virus IS real. I’ve watched it DEVASTATE my LTC population. I’ve watched the toll the ISOLATION has taken on the residents too. Yet THAT part is NEVER allowed to be discussed without accusations of “killing grandma”. I point out the masks studies showing actual inconclusive data, or point out the studies “proving” masking work only show reduced flow of particles (not transmission of infectiousness) or that nearly who draw that conclusion use N95 properly fitted under lab conditions and I’m called “anti-masker”. If masks are the absolute panacea WHy when my LTC all had cloth masks mandatory (until K95 could be obtained) for all staff (all - no exceptions) since March 2020 did the virus continue to ravage the population? Remember no outside people allowed at all! If the mask protect “you” more than “me” why did the residents get so sick and die? Presumably trained staff knew how to properly wear masks (many were using double even then). Being allowed to actually question and reason and discuss this earlier last year may have also saved lives! STILL no standard manufacturing process for cloth masks btw.
And why is the ONLY solution “increase false negatives?” Why can’t rapid testing that detects higher viral loads (like those at most infectious) be done in place? Michael Mena has been advocating for months for this, but it’s not “perfect” so “experts” won’t allow it. Because what worked before is suddenly no longer accepted during OMG ITS COVID crowd. Anecdotally the only building of mine that hasn’t had a widespread outbreak is the one doing rapid testing since last fall. With back up PCR if positive rapid. Hmmm wonder why that worked so well?
Joining the hosts of This Week in Virology in July,
. Love TWiV! Did you listen to episode where Vincent himself got a false positive PCR? And broke down the exact way a PCR works and why false positives happen - including the studies to back up culturing the virus etc? I also appreciate they way they break down the “new” variants - way better than a science illiterate popular press “journalist” going for the scary click bait headline.
good. It is that constant balance. All the restrictions we impose will also be harmful to health in one way or another - long term or short term. You have to be aware of that."
He’s correct but that means a hard look at what works and doesn’t- and what politician is going to give up THAT power?
My MIL also kept saying she had never experienced a loss of freedom as we have in these times.
Again- I’m am so sorry for your loss. From the way you talk about her this loss will hurt a long time, she seemed a pretty unique lady!
Doesn't matter unless 100% effective against every known and possible mutation from now to forever- those who are on power trips will find some way to spin it to control you. Just look at the stupid way the messaging is going right now! “Get vaccinated for a disease most will never know they have and for which 99% of population is low risk but hey- you STILL cannot relax a single teeny bit even around others recovered or vaccinated!” Because it’s not “safe” (ooh I hate that word now- whatever happened to risk mitigation? 100% Safe never was an option pre-covid but it must be now!)
I got my second shot last week- because I’m basically threatened with no job if I didn’t. I do think the ones approved here are safe, and have no issues getting it. I bristle at being “forced” however. Wrong approach. Huge vax fan, but when I’ve had concerns with kids vax (think it was when rotavirus one came out that cases intussusception in babies) the pediatricians calmly explained benefits/risks. With one of my kids the doc himself thought holding off that one was fine. The polio vax changed with each of my kids. But suddenly we aren’t allowed to question anything r/t covid- just shamed as “anti-“
Positive results are indicative of the presence of SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid; clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine patient infection status. Positive results do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses.
Yes my weekly test results show on the bottom to NOT to use as a sole DIAGNOSTIC tool for diagnosis of a disease yet that is exactly what’s been done from the start! Yeah so called asymptomatic- have to have a TEST to show you have with a disease without any symptoms! Even sars cov 1 had clinical symptoms described! Wonder how many MDs looks at a single lab- say a glucose of 154 and positively pronounces “yep you have diabetes!” Let’s get you on medicines right now!” All with no further investigation of any kind!
FYI this has been questioned a lot for months now, yet when pointed out to the “follow the science” crowd it’s 100% ignored. I’m all for science, but ALL interpretations of data should be considered and discussed, and if interpretations are faulty or inconclusive then they should be clearly refuted- not shouted down, called names or called for being fired!
covid-19 is responsible for the measurable increase in American deaths (spoiler alert—it is):
Yes this is a new disease that has deadly consequences for a portion of population and I’m not doubting many lost their lives prematurely due to covid. Those were ones with SYMPTOMS though.
So frustrated reasoning has left the country (don’t care your political affiliation- it’s everywhere).