Shouldn't epidemiologists revisit the case of Sweden? Hasn't their approach actually worked?

[rickandcindy23]

Death rate in U.S. is going down: .0312493639442249. CDC.gov today:

TOTAL CASES5,551,79344,864 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS173,4901,074 New Deaths*

• *Compared to yesterday's data

I like Sweden's model better. I agree with Danny. People don't need to be rude and dismissive. This is what caused a big rift on TUG years ago. There are more opinions than one or two.

I wear my mask when in public, but I won't wear one in my car or while out walking or in my yard. I want to move on from this, but there are reasons people are holding onto this virus like it's killing young people and children. Look at real data, real science.

 

[Brett]

Death rate in U.S. is going down: .0312493639442249. CDC.gov today:

TOTAL CASES5,551,79344,864 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS173,4901,074 New Deaths*

• *Compared to yesterday's data

I like Sweden's model better. I agree with Danny. People don't need to be rude and dismissive. This is what caused a big rift on TUG years ago. There are more opinions than one or two.

I wear my mask when in public, but I won't wear one in my car or while out walking or in my yard. I want to move on from this, but there are reasons people are holding onto this virus like it's killing young people and children. Look at real data, real science.

yes, the Sweden "model"

where citizens love their government leaders !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Swedish citizens love to pay high taxes
Sweden enjoys universal government run health care

A true Socialist Utopia !
(and Swedish citizens don't have to wear masks ... true freedom)

 

[Monykalyn]

A true Socialist Utopia

Yes where people don't have to choose going bankrupt or homeless if they need medical care!
Where if you do need to go into lockdown, you don't have to worry about starvation, loss of your livelihood or homelessness! How friggin awful!!

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO TROLL ON THIS??? CAN YOU POSSIBLY-JUST POSSIBLY- BE A GROWNUP AND STOP THE CHILDISH CONSTANT TROLLING?

 

[Brett]

Yes where people don't have to choose going bankrupt or homeless if they need medical care!
Where if you do need to go into lockdown, you don't have to worry about starvation, loss of your livelihood or homelessness! How friggin awful!!

WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO TROLL ON THIS??? CAN YOU POSSIBLY-JUST POSSIBLY- BE A GROWNUP AND STOP THE CHILDISH CONSTANT TROLLING?

Can you not face the "friggin awful" truth about government ?
if you want universal health care and high taxes ..... vote

 

[TravelTime]

Death rate in U.S. is going down: .0312493639442249. CDC.gov today:

TOTAL CASES5,551,79344,864 New Cases*
TOTAL DEATHS173,4901,074 New Deaths*

• *Compared to yesterday's data

I like Sweden's model better. I agree with Danny. People don't need to be rude and dismissive. This is what caused a big rift on TUG years ago. There are more opinions than one or two.

I wear my mask when in public, but I won't wear one in my car or while out walking or in my yard. I want to move on from this, but there are reasons people are holding onto this virus like it's killing young people and children. Look at real data, real science.

Why do you think people are holding onto this virus? I am having trouble understanding this.

 

[TravelTime]

Can you not face the "friggin awful" truth about government ?
if you want universal health care and high taxes ..... vote

I have a problem with voting. My choices are higher taxes and lots of socialist programs or an unethical lying dunce.

 

[Brett]

I have a problem with voting. My choices are higher taxes and lots of socialist programs or an unethical lying dunce.

..... yeah, but starting to get

 

[TravelTime]

..... yeah, but starting to get
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No names were mentioned. I am complaining about both options.

Someone was name calling me today and TUG said that was okay. They did not see it as name calling.

Hijacking threads is now allowed.

I think TUG should be enforcing its rules.

 

[Brett]

No names were mentioned. I am complaining about both options.

I understand
but in Sweden (topic of this thread) there are reasons people say they love the federal government .....
why?
hint: it's not about the masks !

 

[TravelTime]

I understand
but in Sweden (topic of this thread) there are some reasons people say they love the federal government .....
why?

I do not know. I am not in favor of a Swedish style government. However, I am interested in what will happen in the end with Sweden's covid strategy.

 

[Brett]

I do not know. I am not in favor of a Swedish style government. However, I am interested in what will happen in the end with Sweden's covid strategy.

the Sweden covid "strategy" may have something to do with government .... or health care or taxes or ... Darwin ????

 

[cman]

I like Sweden's model better. I agree with Danny.

I like South Korea's model better. They didn't lock down and only had 6/million deaths. Sweden has 575/million deaths. Not trying to be dismissive, but if I were going to argue against lock downs, Sweden is the last country I'd choose to hold up as an example. The best examples for how to handle a pandemic are in the Asian countries.

 

[TravelTime]

I like South Korea's model better. They didn't lock down and only had 6/million deaths. Sweden has 575/million deaths. Not trying to be dismissive, but if I were going to argue against lock downs, Sweden is the last country I'd choose to hold up as an example. The best examples for how to handle a pandemic are in the Asian countries.

Yes I agree with you.

 

[Ken555]

I find it rather ironic that so many people over the years refer to other countries, like Sweden, and say that what works there can't work here. We're different. We're special. We're larger. We need a uniquely American solution.

Now, some people say the opposite. Sweden has freedom, Sweden is open for business, Sweden is doing great...why can't we be more like Sweden?

I'm not referring to any particular individuals on TUG, I'm referring to others - I'm sure we've all heard this, and sure some of those here may fall into this category, but I don't know that for certain.

Brett has a point. Sweden has a good healthcare system and social support so that everyone receives healthcare (and more) without risking going bankrupt. We don't have that. I have little doubt that this impacts their approach to C19.

And, as has been posted previously, Sweden has an integral sense of community which far exceeds our own. I don't see us replicating them anytime soon.

 

[Ken555]

I like South Korea's model better. They didn't lock down and only had 6/million deaths. Sweden has 575/million deaths. Not trying to be dismissive, but if I were going to argue against lock downs, Sweden is the last country I'd choose to hold up as an example. The best examples for how to handle a pandemic are in the Asian countries.

Yes! Let us also not forget Mongolia (zero deaths and only 298 total cases compared to the USA's 5,794,238).

 

[Brett]

Yes! Let us also not forget Mongolia (zero deaths and only 298 total cases compared to the USA's 5,794,238).

And let us not forget New Zealand

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-church-sarang-jeil.html

 

[Ken555]

And let us not forget New Zealand

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/world/asia/coronavirus-south-korea-church-sarang-jeil.html

Yes! There are many countries which have done quite well. In fact, most of them have. We did the worst.

<sarcasm>Gosh, I wonder why that is.</sarcasm>


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[TravelTime]

Yes! There are many countries which have done quite well. In fact, most of them have. We did the worst.

<sarcasm>Gosh, I wonder why that is.</sarcasm>


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<sarcasm>I can think of a reason.<sarcasm>

 

[davidvel]

I find it rather ironic that so many people over the years refer to other countries, like Sweden, and say that what works there can't work here. We're different. We're special. We're larger. We need a uniquely American solution.

Now, some people say the opposite. Sweden has freedom, Sweden is open for business, Sweden is doing great...why can't we be more like Sweden?

I'm not referring to any particular individuals on TUG, I'm referring to others - I'm sure we've all heard this, and sure some of those here may fall into this category, but I don't know that for certain.

Brett has a point. Sweden has a good healthcare system and social support so that everyone receives healthcare (and more) without risking going bankrupt. We don't have that. I have little doubt that this impacts their approach to C19.

And, as has been posted previously, Sweden has an integral sense of community which far exceeds our own. I don't see us replicating them anytime soon.

Most people (74% of U.S. deaths) who died of COVID (65+) had free government insurance. Of the remainder,(26%), 90% of them are insured. Insurance covers COVID treatment 100%.

On average, less than 3% of those that died did not have insurance. Of those uninsured, COVID care is to be paid by the CARES act.

I don't track how availability of insurance did or should have had any effect on U.S. policy toward COVID.

 

[Ken555]

Most people (74% of U.S. deaths) who died of COVID (65+) had free government insurance. Of the remainder,(26%), 90% of them are insured. Insurance covers COVID treatment 100%.

On average, less than 3% of those that died did not have insurance. Of those uninsured, COVID care is to be paid by the CARES act.

I don't track how availability of insurance did or should have had any effect on U.S. policy toward COVID.

You missed the point.

The question is whether or not a social safety net contributes to the actions of the citizenry during a pandemic.


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[MOXJO7282]

I like South Korea's model better. They didn't lock down and only had 6/million deaths. Sweden has 575/million deaths. Not trying to be dismissive, but if I were going to argue against lock downs, Sweden is the last country I'd choose to hold up as an example. The best examples for how to handle a pandemic are in the Asian countries.

Because Asians care about and respect society and their elders far more than Americans, whereas Americans are about individualism, where most will still respect society, but some equate that to screw everyone else its all about me.

 

[MommaBear]

I like this site-can play around with it and see lots of data

Mortality Risk of COVID-19

Our interactive data visualizations that show the case fatality rate in each country are updated daily.

ourworldindata.org

case fatality rate in US has dropped.

The way CFR is determined in this study is too simplistic. It's actually calculated by the number of cases, deaths and recovery over a period of time, as time from contracting Covid to time of either recovery or death varies significantly.
Here's an article describing the formula to determine CFR. https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/covid-19-pandemic-case-fatality-rate-calculation/

 

[DeniseM]

CLOSED: I am tired of you obsessed people and the constant inappropriate posts and resulting post reporting. Have a good weekend - get a life.