Shell vs Wyndham

[Jjld2010]

I've been offered both properties from a close family friend following the death of her husband. I'm new to time sharing and have been roaming the site so thought I'd ask for your assistance on whether to buy and if so which property/ company is best. Details are as follows:

1) Kauai Coast Resort at Beachboy
- $5,000
- 6,750 points. She described as a 2 bedroom oceanfront property
- Shell resorts
- she banked this years points so I'll have those to use as well.
- MF $1600

2) Dolphin Cove in Anaheim, CA
-$2,000
- 175,000 points. 3 bedroom. (2 bedroom and 1 bedroom with joining door)
- Wyndham
- She has not used this year points either
- MF $980

I live in the Phoenix area so it's easy for us to get to CA but we would like travel to as many places as possible. Do any of these offer discount cash reservations for last minute travel? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Fortunately for you is a family friend, not a family member. You don't have to take either deed.

Shell points can be had for FREE; Wyndham points based on ARP and MF costs are either FREE or somewhat over FREE . It looks like she wants $5000 for Shell Hawaii club points and $2000 for the Wyndham points.

The Wyndham points have a good ratio of points to MF expense. I am NOT familiar with what the Shell Hawaii Club is as I own California Club ... (MFs determination and advanced reservation booking window).

Both will hit you for closing costs (Hawaii might be MORE expensive) and recording fee plus the $299 transfer fee as they BOTH are under the SAME BIG CORPORATE entity.

 

[raygo123]

Did Wyndham buy shell?

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[vacationhopeful]

Yes ... Wyndham Corp brought Shell Vacation Club. Wyndham Corp owns Wyndham Vacation, Worldmark and Shell Vacation Club. The 3 timeshare groups are run separately with "some" direct buyer having VERY limited access to some of the other clubs inventory.

I have owned Wyndham Vacation Club for several years; brought some Shell Vacation Club points to get access to the Southwest Shell Resorts. I can also book (and have) into a Shell resort using my Wyndham Vacation Club points. Nothing like confusing the Shell resort's front desk .. having 2 reservations under both my Shell points and 1 reservation under my Wyndham points and STILL ducking the hangtag staff.

 

[raygo123]

So buy the cheaper one yes??

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[Jjld2010]

Are you able to use Shell points to book Wyndham in any situation or only if you buy direct?


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[Jjld2010]

I was thinking to buy the cheaper initially. After looking around for similar properties on the resell market, I find the Hawaii property is very limited. No resell found on here and maybe 2 others on broker sites. So I thought I'd ask on here


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[raygo123]

174000 points is a cut above old inventory of154000 I would go Wyndham and see if you can transfer point somehow as not to be treated like resale

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[pedro47]

Can you exchange between & within all three (3) programs Wyndham, Shell & Worldmark,

 

[Ty1on]

Can you exchange between & within all three (3) programs Wyndham, Shell & Worldmark,

not with resale points

 

[Ty1on]

I've been offered both properties from a close family friend following the death of her husband. I'm new to time sharing and have been roaming the site so thought I'd ask for your assistance on whether to buy and if so which property/ company is best. Details are as follows:

1) Kauai Coast Resort at Beachboy
- $5,000
- 6,750 points. She described as a 2 bedroom oceanfront property
- Shell resorts
- she banked this years points so I'll have those to use as well.
- MF $1600

2) Dolphin Cove in Anaheim, CA
-$2,000
- 175,000 points. 3 bedroom. (2 bedroom and 1 bedroom with joining door)
- Wyndham
- She has not used this year points either
- MF $980

I live in the Phoenix area so it's easy for us to get to CA but we would like travel to as many places as possible. Do any of these offer discount cash reservations for last minute travel? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

She wants at or above market value for both these contracts. You can pick up Shell points free. The Wyndham might go $1,500-$2,000 if she pays the closing and transfer fee.

Timesharenation has 4,550 Shell hawaii it's giving away, no closing costs. Shell pops up all the time, free, for Cal, Ariz and hawaii clubs.

 

[ginminnesota]

Yes ... Wyndham Corp brought Shell Vacation Club. Wyndham Corp owns Wyndham Vacation, Worldmark and Shell Vacation Club. The 3 timeshare groups are run separately with "some" direct buyer having VERY limited access to some of the other clubs inventory.

I have owned Wyndham Vacation Club for several years; brought some Shell Vacation Club points to get access to the Southwest Shell Resorts. I can also book (and have) into a Shell resort using my Wyndham Vacation Club points. Nothing like confusing the Shell resort's front desk .. having 2 reservations under both my Shell points and 1 reservation under my Wyndham points and STILL ducking the hangtag staff.

Linda,
Can you please explain how you were able to book with Shell using Wyndham points. This was the issue that I was trying to resolve.....if I was able to book Wyndham with my Shell points....it would have been a great deal.

 

[Ty1on]

I was thinking to buy the cheaper initially. After looking around for similar properties on the resell market, I find the Hawaii property is very limited. No resell found on here and maybe 2 others on broker sites. So I thought I'd ask on here


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Don't look for Beachboy.

Look for "Shell Points Hawaii" Or just "Shell Points" and see what's being given away in the various clubs.

 

[Ty1on]

Yes ... Wyndham Corp brought Shell Vacation Club. Wyndham Corp owns Wyndham Vacation, Worldmark and Shell Vacation Club. The 3 timeshare groups are run separately with "some" direct buyer having VERY limited access to some of the other clubs inventory.

I have owned Wyndham Vacation Club for several years; brought some Shell Vacation Club points to get access to the Southwest Shell Resorts. I can also book (and have) into a Shell resort using my Wyndham Vacation Club points. Nothing like confusing the Shell resort's front desk .. having 2 reservations under both my Shell points and 1 reservation under my Wyndham points and STILL ducking the hangtag staff.

May I ask how you booked Shell with Wyndham points? Was it an "affiliate room" Wyndham holds in the Shell resort?

 

[Jjld2010]

I was under the impression the property location mattered. Thanks!


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[vacationhopeful]

Just got back on computer.

I got on the Wyndham web site and selected the Shell resort name from the pull down menu where I make a regular Wyndham points reservation and selected the week I wanted using my Wyndham points.

No additional fees .. got a Wyndham reservation number ... just like any old Wyndham points reservation.

Okay, I did see the thread here on TUG saying some Shell locations had become available.

AND ... just in the last day or so, another Tugger posted ... Inventory is STILL only going one way ... Shell units to Wyndham points booking.

And my other 2 reserved units were using my Shell points.

 

[Ty1on]

Just got back on computer.

I got on the Wyndham web site and selected the Shell resort name from the pull down menu where I make a regular Wyndham points reservation and selected the week I wanted using my Wyndham points.

No additional fees .. got a Wyndham reservation number ... just like any old Wyndham points reservation.

Okay, I did see the thread here on TUG saying some Shell locations had become available.

AND ... just in the last day or so, another Tugger posted ... Inventory is STILL only going one way ... Shell units to Wyndham points booking.

And my other 2 reserved units were using my Shell points.

So this has to be Shell intervals that CWP owns.

 

[Ty1on]

I was under the impression the property location mattered. Thanks!


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Region matters.

If you buy into SVC, you buy into a pool of intervals all over that region. You have ARP at any resort in your region, and standard booking window in other regions.

If you find a Shell resort on ebay, it's deeded, not Club.

 

[presley]

Don't buy either, unless you have been itching to get one of those timeshares.

Shell, you can buy on Ebay or $1. in any size account in any club. They will usually charge you for unused points (you'll be expected to pay the unused MF fees back). If you buy Kaui that comes with points, you'll have a 12 month booking window at any Hawaii Shell resort. That would be nice if you plan to visit Hawaii every year.

Dolphin's Cove is also frequently sold for $1. - $100. I haven't seen a 3bedroom, but one and 2 bedrooms often. I also haven't seen it sold as Wyndham points. So, perhaps those sell at higher amounts.

As a resale buyer, you won't have whatever benefits the current owner has. You'll want to fully understand the system and what you actually get before you buy anything because you will be stuck with it for a long time.

 

[vacationhopeful]

So this has to be Shell intervals that CWP owns.

Wyndham corporate may be paying the MFs on unsold Shell points --- sending the units/weeks over to Wyndham Points to CWP/CWA members.

I was using my regular online Wyndham booking and using the pull down menu off the booking engine ... no Club Pass $99 fee; regular Wyndham reservation number and on my member number's list of reservation.

And as the brains of Wyndham figure out a way to get MORE fees ($$$) ... it could all or HAS already changed.

All I know is I have 3 reservations at a Shell resort last Spring .. one unit via Wyndham points reservation and 2 units via using my Shell points.

 

[uscav8r]

I was thinking to buy the cheaper initially. After looking around for similar properties on the resell market, I find the Hawaii property is very limited. No resell found on here and maybe 2 others on broker sites. So I thought I'd ask on here

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Club Wyndham owners have limited access to only a few Shell resorts. For instance, no Shell Hawaii resorts can be booked, and only Vino Bello and Peacock Suites out of all the California resorts can be booked. You'd have access to most Arizona resorts, though.

Linda,
Can you please explain how you were able to book with Shell using Wyndham points. This was the issue that I was trying to resolve.....if I was able to book Wyndham with my Shell points....it would have been a great deal.

"A great deal" is a matter of perspective. In general, Shell maintenance fees are much more expensive than those in Club Wyndham, so you would essentially be overpaying for a Wyndham unit if you use your Shell points. If you want to go to Wyndham, rent from a Wyndham owner, and save your Shell points for Shell resorts (or II exchanges).

 

[jraymond]

Wyndham has many more locations than Shell. Either of these are available for much less than the offer you are being given. Look at the resorts each system has to offer and decide what fits you best. You will really help this relative if you offer to take either for free and pay the transfer fee.


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[Bill4728]

There are very few shell resorts in areas which do not also have a wyndham resort. ( ie whistler BC and Napa )

So for most people it makes more sense to own Wyndham resorts and not Shell.

 

[vacationhopeful]

To the Original Poster of this thread ....

BOTH ownerships the family friend is offering YOU are over priced. Esp if she wants YOU to pay the transfer fees and closing costs. That is WHAT I meant when I wrote .... "good thing she is a family friend" as you should TAKE NEITHER ownerships (esp for her prices) ... FREE and with her paying the closing costs ---- maybe the Wyndham points.

 

[Jjld2010]

Thank you all for your help. I am going to present an offer to her and hope she takes it. I'm almost positive she will. With a family of 4 the idea of a timeshare is very appealing to us. We have the means to travel so we are hoping to get some good use.

Out of curiosity, why are shell points being given away while others are not?


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