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SDO 2-bd lock-off = 1-bd large + 1-bd small?

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The MF seems lower on 2-bd lock off than 1-bd large + 1-bed small. Curious when you lock off, what do you get?
 

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When you lock off you get two,1-Bedrooms: 1 large & 1 small.
 

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The MF seems lower on 2-bd lock off than 1-bd large + 1-bed small. Curious when you lock off, what do you get?

The MF is lower on the 2br than the combined MF of the two types of 1brs. There isn't really a good reason for that, but its in the governing docs so it won't change.
 

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However, an interesting caveat on the small 1 bedroom. A stand alone small 1 bedroom (deed wise) seems to have better trading power in II than the the lock-off small one bedroom from a deeded 2 bedroom. These are the exact same units.

This was noted in an thread early in 2024 comparing trading power. The post seemed questionable, but a few of us compared trading power, and it was indeed confirmed that the stand alone deeded small one bedroom had slightly better trading power. Note the emphasis on slightly.
 

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However, an interesting caveat on the small 1 bedroom. A stand alone small 1 bedroom (deed wise) seems to have better trading power in II than the the lock-off small one bedroom from a deeded 2 bedroom. These are the exact same units.

This was noted in an thread early in 2024 comparing trading power. The post seemed questionable, but a few of us compared trading power, and it was indeed confirmed that the stand alone deeded small one bedroom had slightly better trading power. Note the emphasis on slightly.

Guess it still makes sense to get the 2-bd lockoff. What is the lockoff fee? Adding that could make the difference smaller.
 

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Guess it still makes sense to get the 2-bd lockoff. What is the lockoff fee? Adding that could make the difference smaller.
No lockoff fee for anything Sheraton/ Westin. Marriott charges, even if there are no dedicated 2 bedrooms at the resort. If all units are lockoff, why charge to lockoff?
 

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No lockoff fee for anything Sheraton/ Westin. Marriott charges, even if there are no dedicated 2 bedrooms at the resort. If all units are lockoff, why charge to lockoff?
Yeah it’s a junk fee. How much is it? Only Grand Chateau has dedicated 1-bds (but why no dedicated studios?) and not for Willow ridge etc so perhaps lockoff is the only way to go for Marriott preference.
 

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No lockoff fee for anything Sheraton/ Westin. Marriott charges, even if there are no dedicated 2 bedrooms at the resort. If all units are lockoff, why charge to lockoff?
However, an interesting caveat on the small 1 bedroom. A stand alone small 1 bedroom (deed wise) seems to have better trading power in II than the the lock-off small one bedroom from a deeded 2 bedroom. These are the exact same units.

This was noted in an thread early in 2024 comparing trading power. The post seemed questionable, but a few of us compared trading power, and it was indeed confirmed that the stand alone deeded small one bedroom had slightly better trading power. Note the emphasis on slightly.

BTW, do I have to call to lock off at SDO or SBP or other Westin / Sheraton? For my Colonies ownership, II sets it up automatically so no need to call.
 

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BTW, do I have to call to lock off at SDO or SBP or other Westin / Sheraton? For my Colonies ownership, II sets it up automatically so no need to call.
Are you going to deposit the week? It's something you can do in your II account, just choose the week to deposit, and deposit it, but I usually call II directly.

The thing is, I have found SDO to be rentable for a little over MF's, and for that reason, I won't be depositing any weeks, unless I cannot rent them. I will re-book dates until the weeks rent.
 

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BTW, do I have to call to lock off at SDO or SBP or other Westin / Sheraton? For my Colonies ownership, II sets it up automatically so no need to call.

No calling. You can book an actual week to use on the Vistana site as a lockoff if you're actually occupying. Or you can deposit either half independently on the II site if you want to trade.
 
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Clarification: With Vistana, you cannot make a reservation and deposit that specific week. So if you already have a reservation, you have to cancel it, to deposit the underlying week. If the ownership is already registered with II, you can choose to deposit each side separately, when you deposit it on the II website - it will offer you that option.
 

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If you want to avoid a deposit fee, isn't it better to call it in and pay for another year?
 

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Do mean "deposit fee," or "adding a new resort to your account?" I don't think there is a deposit fee.
 

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If you want to avoid a deposit fee, isn't it better to call it in and pay for another year?
No fee to deposit a week. However to add a unit to your II membership, there is a fee. Though thyey will also add it to your account if you purchase a membership extension, upgrade or renew Gold or Platinum II membership.
 

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The MF is lower on the 2br than the combined MF of the two types of 1brs. There isn't really a good reason for that, but it’s in the governing docs so it won't change.
BTW, it is really odd and unique to SDO, right? I don’t remember any other Vistana resorts do that. But good value if it’s written in the governing doc and will not change.

It reminds me of some Aulani contracts in DVC, which are reduced MF, like 20-30% off permanently. Those sell for good value.
 

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BTW, it is really odd and unique to SDO, right? I don’t remember any other Vistana resorts do that. But good value if it’s written in the governing doc and will not change.

It reminds me of some Aulani contracts in DVC, which are reduced MF, like 20-30% off permanently. Those sell for good value.
It's only SDO. Sheraton Broadway Resort is different. If you add the one bed small MF's to the one bedroom premium MF's = the 2 bedroom lockoff.
 

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BTW, it is really odd and unique to SDO, right? I don’t remember any other Vistana resorts do that. But good value if it’s written in the governing doc and will not change.

It reminds me of some Aulani contracts in DVC, which are reduced MF, like 20-30% off permanently. Those sell for good value.

Sheraton Mountain Vista has this “feature” as well. And the difference in maintenance fees is substantial even though virtually all the units are built as lock-offs of small and large one bedrooms.


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The difference in relative MF may explain why a small SDO has greater trading power than a 2 bdrm lockoff of the same unit.
 

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The difference in relative MF may explain why a small SDO has greater trading power than a 2 bdrm lockoff of the same unit.
I split my SDO and got 1 week 2 bedroom Westin in Cabo and then the other side got me 2 bedroom at Vista Encantanda the following week. Because it’s enrolled I never really deposit it in interval. Usually use staroptions to go to WKV in the fall. But I got advised on Tugg that I would get more value using it in interval.
 
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