Schools reopening or not

[WVBaker]

... teachers should return to work when they are satisfied it will be in a safe enough environment, and because they find the risk acceptable when balanced against the value they are providing to the education and mental health of their students.

Perhaps that should be the case however, will it ever be?

 

[bbodb1]

To reopen or not to reopen schools and colleges.

This is going to be a Mess.

...requiring many a Mass...

 

[Brett]

Well if California can allow summer camps I see no reason schools can't reopen.

I was at the beach yesterday and 3 yellow school busses pulled in full of kids to spend a day at surf camp. From Pasadena all the way down to Bolsa Chica.



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That is why I said "if". Doesn't straighten your point at all, whatever that means.

yes, schools will eventually re-open - straight or not

 

[DannyTS]

That is why I said "if". Doesn't straighten your point at all, whatever that means.

I meant strengthens, sorry about that. Yes, for sure it does. Most other professions just went back to work. The teacher's unions used the poll both to see what position to take and then they released it to the public as a pressure tactic. If you believe that this has nothing to do with the teachers and their unions not wanting to go back to school, you have a right to that opinion.

 

[Ken555]

Well if California can allow summer camps I see no reason schools can't reopen.

I was at the beach yesterday and 3 yellow school busses pulled in full of kids to spend a day at surf camp. From Pasadena all the way down to Bolsa Chica.

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I know of several camps in Southern California that were prevented from opening. It was my impression all camps in the area were instructed not to open, but I have friends report seeing buses and campers together (at least one report in a residential area). I’m not certain of the exact requirements right now, but it may be that day camps are still permitted (though that would surprise me).

Summer Camps Bring Ominous Virus Warning in Test Run for Schools

Summer camps in parts of the U.S. are closing as children and counselors test positive for Covid-19, a troubling sign as the country debates whether schools should start in-person instruction as soon as next month.

www.bloomberg.com

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[Ken555]

We have now reached "comedy of the absurd" levels

The true comedy of the absurd is the complete fiasco which got us to this point where we are forced as a nation to even have this discussion about schools.


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[bbodb1]

The true comedy of the absurd is the complete fiasco which got us to this point where we are forced as a nation to even have this discussion about schools.


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And the source of that comedy is China.
The comedy of errors that has happened since would reduce Dante' to insanity. And yes, plenty of open space in those circles to hold all of those responsible.

 

[jackio]

hint: look at their polls, teachers do not want to go back to school

I would not want to go back into a classroom with 30 children who may be asymptomatic carriers, in buildings that may have old and inadequate ventilation, for 6 hours a day.

I am, however, going back to work to see and attend to the needs of ill students and staff members. I am relying on my precaution skills acquired over the past 30 years of nursing, in addition to PPE, and the support of my administration in trying to adhere to best practice.

I am more worried about the teachers than I am about myself. And I am 61 years old with a husband who is high risk.

 

[Brett]

And the source of that comedy is China.
The comedy of errors that has happened since would reduce Dante' to insanity. And yes, plenty of open space in those circles to hold all of those responsible.

the "comedy from China" ... if only some people had recognized that the "comedy" was real and not a political hoax
and still believe it's some kind of hoax

 

[bbodb1]

I would not want to go back into a classroom with 30 children who may be asymptomatic carriers, in buildings that may have old and inadequate ventilation, for 6 hours a day.

I am, however, going back to work to see and attend to the needs of ill students and staff members. I am relying on my precaution skills acquired over the past 30 years of nursing, in addition to PPE, and the support of my administration in trying to adhere to best practice.

I am more worried about the teachers than I am about myself. And I am 61 years old with a husband who is high risk.

Our school is implementing some preventative measures, but at present is NOT taking any measures to reduce class sizes. That means social distancing in the classroom is not going to be possible. Grrr.

 

[Ken555]

And the source of that comedy is China.
The comedy of errors that has happened since would reduce Dante' to insanity. And yes, plenty of open space in those circles to hold all of those responsible.

This is how threads get locked. You just couldn’t let it go, eh?


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[bbodb1]

This is how threads get locked. You just couldn’t let it go, eh?


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#306?

 

[Ken555]

#306?

Now that’s amusing.


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[bbodb1]

Speaking of this:

I would not want to go back into a classroom with 30 children who may be asymptomatic carriers, in buildings that may have old and inadequate ventilation, for 6 hours a day.

In our case, add to this list the fact that our ducts have not been cleaned since I started working at this location 12 years ago and I really have a bad feeling about this....

 

[bbodb1]

Now that’s amusing.


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What you say we just both refrain from going there?
(Unfortunately) there is plenty of other ground to cover around this topic...

 

[Luanne]

I read, or heard, something the other day. It might have been from our governor's briefing, it might have been on a news show. The bottom line was, yes kids need to be back in the classroom. But that doesn't mean they need to be back in the classroom right now.

 

[SteelerGal]

Well if California can allow summer camps I see no reason schools can't reopen.

I was at the beach yesterday and 3 yellow school busses pulled in full of kids to spend a day at surf camp. From Pasadena all the way down to Bolsa Chica.

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This is common in my area. We no longer go to the beach in Huntington because it’s a hotspot.

 

[SteelerGal]

All,

I may have missed this discussion already -- what has been the TUG view on Pandemic Pods?

We are considering one here -- hiring a private teacher to instruct a group of 6+ high school sophomores. We are still working on details (is it a tutor to supplement the basically worthless distance learning, or is it true home schooling, which is challenging to ensure we meet the academic requirements.) Not sure yet what we will do.

My primary concern for Jack is not the academic advancement, it is to prevent social deterioration. Depression and anxiety have been issues for him historically and another year of distance learning can only exacerbate this. We are also considering establishing a surrogate class room for his classmates and inviting a number of class mates to come (there are only 22 sophomores in the entire class -- it's a tiny school -- with outdoor classrooms -- in San Diego -- but it's shut down).

I recognize that Jack has a significant advantage because we can do this -- and I read about people who believe Pandemic Pods exacerbate inequality, but I worry about my son's mental well-being and I have the means to do something about it. Is that wrong??

No good answers here....tough stuff....

Best,

Greg

I am starting a POD because we have 4 elementary age. DL was a disaster especially for SN children. So we are actively pushing for our SD to request a waiver for this small subset as well as our most vulnerable children in need.

 

[DannyTS]

I read, or heard, something the other day. It might have been from our governor's briefing, it might have been on a news show. The bottom line was, yes kids need to be back in the classroom. But that doesn't mean they need to be back in the classroom right now.

When did I hear that before? Oh, I remember, it was April and May 2020

 

[bbodb1]

that's it - bad ducts + Legionnaires' disease + coronavirus =
schools will never re-open
USA is doomed

You read ahead in the book, didn't you, Brett!

Seriously though, over the last several years, maintenance that should be periodically performed has often been reduced (to the point of elimination) as districts outsource their janitorial staffs to save a few dollars. (Dollars that seem to end up in the pockets of administration making hyper-inflated salaries..) Those of us in public schools can all relate to how fast a stomach bug or flu can move through a school and it seems as if this sort of thing was happening on an increasingly fast basis in the past few years.

The point here being school districts have been very guilty of reducing the efforts and resources available to keep a reasonably clean environment for students and staff. That certainly has not helped the current situation...

 

[DannyTS]

I am starting a POD because we have 4 elementary age. DL was a disaster especially for SN children. So we are actively pushing for our SD to request a waiver for this small subset as well as our most vulnerable children in need.

Where are you and GregT going to find a teacher for a POD?

 

[bbodb1]

I am starting a POD because we have 4 elementary age. DL was a disaster especially for SN children. So we are actively pushing for our SD to request a waiver for this small subset as well as our most vulnerable children in need.

Best of luck to you in this @SteelerGal - I can't speak for everyone here, but with as many TUG'gers as it seems having some connection to the education sector, please keep us updated on how this goes (perhaps even it's own thread??) I'd be glad to point you toward some of the web based resources we are using if that would help....

 

[WVBaker]

#306?

#309?

 

[SteelerGal]

Where are you and GregT going to find a teacher for a POD?

We are looking for tutors only. But others are hiring teachers, be retired, on leave, laid off, new teachers, etc.
There’s a FB Group, Pandemic Pods/MicroSchooling, that is helping ppl connect. Some organizations that help charter and private schools, are offering the same Services to parents.

 

[SteelerGal]

Best of luck to you in this @SteelerGal - I can't speak for everyone here, but with as many TUG'gers as it seems having some connection to the education sector, please keep us updated on how this goes (perhaps even it's own thread??) I'd be glad to point you toward some of the web based resources we are using if that would help....

Thank you. I would love it. We are fortunate that we have the funds however I know many families who do not.