Royal Vista becoming part of CWA

[CruiseGuy]

I'm currently at Royal Vista and was talking to another owner. He stated that Wyndham is getting ready to include Royal Vista in the CWA inventory. This could make prime reservations more challenging to obtain since this resort seems to fill up fast as it is.

Has anyone else heard this? Linda, what's your take since you seem to be our FLL area expert?

 

[vacationhopeful]

That resort is totally sold out.

Where would the inventory for CWA come from? They can easily sell for TOP dollar any UDI points which are turned back in via Ovations or in trades. Or they convert the 9th floor to CWA only ... that is the where sales lives NOW.

I could understand the frustration the 9th floor sales crew has ... trying to sell CWA for the other 2 beach resorts but getting the Snowbirds who CAN NOT BOOK Royal Vista and wanting RV. CWA is their "PREMIER" product. Royal Vista is their "PREMIER" resort and not in their "PREMIER" product line.

Might SALES people be resorting to "twisting the truth?"as MANY PRIME winter weeks at the other resorts are still owned and sold as FIXED WEEKs ... Sea Gardens and Santa Barbara. I know I own MORE THAN 2 of them and do NOT PAY the CWP fee, Guest Certificate fees or run the booking of the units gambit. And I suspect MANY CWA owners are unhappy with learning how few winter weeks are available thru out the Winter season. And then understanding that Royal Vista is NOT in CWA for ARP booking?

But if true ... unleasing the "CWA" hordes into the 13 month ARP window ... will they be allocating some units each week OR just the total pool/NUMBER of ARP (CWA) RV points come first January FRI date until inventory their CWA owned points are USED. 93 units each week at RV .... if 10% of the available CWP points are transferred to CWA ... 9 units EACH WEEK ... same phone lines that the RV owners use ... if 20% of the inventory ... 18-19 units each week out of 93.

Remember ... almost ALL of Sea Gardens Resort (except some units in the Ocean Palms tower) and ALL of Santa Barbara are FIXED DEEDED WEEK or converted F/W to points (whose ARP is the underlying deed). That is HOW CWA inventory is restricted at those 2 Ocean Blvd limited the CWA booking of units. Royal Vista is ALL CWP ... HOW would the reservation system allocate WHO gets to book ARP via CWA? A fight each week until the CWA inventory of ARP points is gone? Will that be during February or March? I can understand fighting the other DEEDED Royal Vista owners for the winter ... but not 400,000+ (or is it a million) CWA owners trying to call and book against 20,000 CWP/RV owners at the same moment in time on the same phone lines during the Snowbird ARP window. And what about the VERY HIGH weeks in MARCH ... when all the CWA RV points (might) be gone ... but the phone lines still JAMMED with CWA callers HOPING to get a RV unit?

Let's keep our ears out ... this might just be sales BS?

I suggest Wyndham BUILD another ocean front resort in Pompano ... like the 2 lots next door to Santa Barbara (south side) and the lot directly across the street from those 2 lots on the ocean ... a blended or total CWA resort bigger than BOTH RV and SB (that is more than 183 units).

I stayed at Royal Vista for 2 days before Thanksgiving ... was "locked" out of doing any owner's update ... but my new BFF (Chad) the Universal Manager for the Front Desk who was VERY friendly to me ... until he got funny after trying to send me up to the 9th floor ... I could call him and see what input he might have.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Or Corporate sales could transfer the current sales floor (the 9th floor) at Royal Vista into inventory for CWA ... sales could move to another resort or use the (old) fitness center on the 2nd floor behind the ocean front building. There are not as many units on that 9th floor as the other floors in RV ...

 

[CruiseGuy]

Yes, I agree that Wyndham really needs a bigger Ocean-Front resort here in the FLL area. I was just thinking that maybe between Ovation and relatively cheap ebay/reseller purchases, that Wyndham might have recently re-purchased enough RV points to include it in CWA inventory, and then start using that as a tactic to get current owners to trade in their RV points and make a new purchase of more points into CWA. There are a lot of older owners here right now. All it would take is for several to become disabled or pass which might motivate their children who aren't interested to dispose of the ownership any way they can.

 

[CruiseGuy]

Or Corporate sales could transfer the current sales floor (the 9th floor) at Royal Vista into inventory for CWA ... sales could move to another resort or use the (old) fitness center on the 2nd floor behind the ocean front building. There are not as many units on that 9th floor as the other floors in RV ...

You're right. All it would take is converting existing space to create at least a couple new units that could be transferred to CWA inventory. Then they would have at least a couple units available for CWA every week. Personally I'm hoping it's just a sales gimmick that isn't true, but it wouldn't surprise me if Wyndham comes up with a way to do this.

 

[Ty1on]

You're right. All it would take is converting existing space to create at least a couple new units that could be transferred to CWA inventory. Then they would have at least a couple units available for CWA every week. Personally I'm hoping it's just a sales gimmick that isn't true, but it wouldn't surprise me if Wyndham comes up with a way to do this.

I'm almost certain a salesperson must have told them that.

And even if Wyndham were to deed some intervals over to CWA, CWA could only compete in ARP up to the number of intervals it holds.

 

[brendastarr]

Who is CWA? Thanks

 

[CruiseGuy]

Club Wyndham Access.

It's where you own points in the club, not at a specific Wyndham resort. You use your points just like any other Wyndham owner at 10 months. But at 13 months, you have ARP at something like 70 Wyndham resorts -- at least for up to the amount of points that the program holds at that specific resort. The maintenance fees are the average of all the resorts the club owns.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

ARP -

ARP - Advanced Reservation Priority

For non Wyndham readers ( like me )

takes a while to get the lingo when it is not a TS system you own

 

[ronparise]

Who is CWA? Thanks

With apologies to Ceasar

"All Club Wyndham Plus is divided into 4 parts, Club Wyndham Select, Club Wyndham Access, Presidential Reserve and Margaritaville"


read about it in the directory pages 367 and following

http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/wyndham/plus_membersdirectory1415/

 

[Joe33426]

How many deeds does Wyndham really need to transfer to CWA to call the resort a "CWA Resort"? Sounds like a sales gimmick.

 

[55plus]

This could make prime reservations more challenging to obtain since this resort seems to fill up fast as it is.

CWA cannot compete with deeded owners during APR because of the different point pools. At 10 months, yes because the point pools combine..

 

[CO skier]

Where would the inventory for CWA come from?

Any UDI contract that is turned into Ovation may find its way into CWA to be reserved by any CWA owner during the specific UDI season. Wyndham is under no obligation to resell weeks as the deeded weeks that are turned into Ovation. It is to Wyndham's advantage to absorb as many deeded weeks and UDI contracts as possible into CWA -- the foreclosure process, when needed, is much simpler and less costly.

Any fixed week that is turned into Ovation may find its way into CWA where the underlying week (or partial week) may be reserved by any CWA owner.

This could occur at Royal Vista or any other Wyndham resort according to Wyndham's whim.

The availability of CWA ARP would depend entirely on the underlying deeds for the resort that are in CWA.

 

[CO skier]

CWA cannot compete with deeded owners during APR because of the different point pools. At 10 months, yes because the point pools combine..

If a UDI deeded week (or fixed week) is held in CWA, any CWA owner can use its equivalent points (or fixed week equivalent) to compete with other UDI owners at that resort during the 13-month to 10-month APR.

Where else would the CWA ARP come from?

Yes, there are different points pools, but all UDI owners, whether they are CWA or deeded at the resort compete for the same ARP timeframes until the available CWA points are exhausted or the dates are completely booked.

So far, no one has reported having no CWA points available during ARP, and some people reserve more than a few units for the same timeframe using CWA ARP.

 

[CO skier]

CWA cannot compete with deeded owners during APR because of the different point pools. At 10 months, yes because the point pools combine..

Imagine this scenario: Someone who is deeded at Bonnet Creek, and who has not used their ARP at Bonnet Cr for years decides to turn their deed in to Ovation.

Wyndham absorbs the deeded points (or week) into CWA.

Now there are potentially hundreds of CWA owners who want to use these points during ARP, and Holidays in particular.

Yes, there will definitely be more competition with deeded owners during ARP, but only up to the amount of CWA points available for any specific timeframe.

This has always been the question, "Are CWA points metered per week according to the percentage owned by CWA per week, or is it a free-for-all until any specific week is completely reserved, or the last CWA point is exhausted, whichever comes first?"

 

[raygo123]

Wyndham has a history to work with. Same graph some tuggers have kept (I could not find thread). The Numbers have been crunched for the points needed for the up coming season. And it happened long ago. Booking trends and the number of points available.

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[CO skier]

They have a history to work with. Same graph some tuggers have kept. The Numbers have been crunched. And long ago calculated. Booking trends and points available.

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Who is "They"?

Can you provide a link to whatever "graph" you are referencing? And "Numbers", too?


... difficul ... follow and comprende many so your posts.

 

[ronparise]

Imagine this scenario: Someone who is deeded at Bonnet Creek, and who has not used their ARP at Bonnet Cr for years decides to turn their deed in to Ovation.

Wyndham absorbs the deeded points (or week) into CWA.

Now there are potentially hundreds of CWA owners who want to use these points during ARP, and Holidays in particular.

Yes, there will definitely be more competition with deeded owners during ARP, but only up to the amount of CWA points available for any specific timeframe.

This has always been the question, "Are CWA points metered per week according to the percentage owned by CWA per week, or is it a free-for-all until any specific week is completely reserved, or the last CWA point is exhausted, whichever comes first?"

You have it wrong


CWA owners only compete with CWA owners for the CWA inventory. And UDI owners compete with the other UDI owners for the UDI units

 

[CO skier]

CWA owners only compete with CWA owners for the CWA inventory. And UDI owners compete with the other UDI owners for the UDI units

If there are four 4 BR Presidential units at a resort, how many are in CWA inventory and how many are UDI units? If 15% of the total UDI points deeded at the resort are in CWA, is only one of the Presidential units reserved for CWA and the other three are reserved for the UDI owners deeded at the resort? Since 15% is less than 25% (1 of 4 units) are all four units reserved for use only by UDI owners until the CWA ownership reaches the 25% level at the resort?

If 20 CWA owners and 5 UDI deeded resort owners want to reserve these Presidential units for New Years week, 21 of the owners will get left out. What about the four who succeed? Is it at least possible that all four units go to CWA owners if they get to the units first?

 

[vacationhopeful]

Ron is right ...

I have seen and talked to a CWA owner who was looking at Ocean Palms building for "the CWA unit" they could book at during the ARP period for the Pompano Beach area. They want Royal Vista ... but not in CWA; no fixed weeks. Nothing was available at Santa Barbara ... all fixed weeks or converted fixed weeks.

Sea Gardens is almost ALL fixed weeks also except for the Ocean Palms building .. some CWP. One unit for her dates was available to book ... she was just stunned ... big resorts & NOTHING to book during ARP. Yes, I know it has definitely CHANGED.... but Fixed Weeks rule still...even during ARP and when converted to points.

As for Royal Vista ... having competing pots of "pure points" ... and the recent major use year change for ARP to a Jan-Dec model... everybody will be hunting the Jan-Apr reservations ... with all the points (and ARP they can muster).

Personally, my fixed weeks winter contracts just increased in value by a LOT.

 

[ronparise]

If there are four 4 BR Presidential units at a resort, how many are in CWA inventory and how many are UDI units? If 15% of the total UDI points deeded at the resort are in CWA, is only one of the Presidential units reserved for CWA and the other three are reserved for the UDI owners deeded at the resort? Since 15% is less than 25% (1 of 4 units) are all four units reserved for use only by UDI owners until the CWA ownership reaches the 25% level at the resort?

If 20 CWA owners and 5 UDI deeded resort owners want to reserve these Presidential units for New Years week, 21 of the owners will get left out. What about the four who succeed? Is it at least possible that all four units go to CWA owners if they get to the units first?

We are talking about CWA not Presidential reserve, Thats a whole 'nother animal

 

[chapjim]

If there are four 4 BR Presidential units at a resort, how many are in CWA inventory and how many are UDI units? If 15% of the total UDI points deeded at the resort are in CWA, is only one of the Presidential units reserved for CWA and the other three are reserved for the UDI owners deeded at the resort? Since 15% is less than 25% (1 of 4 units) are all four units reserved for use only by UDI owners until the CWA ownership reaches the 25% level at the resort?

If 20 CWA owners and 5 UDI deeded resort owners want to reserve these Presidential units for New Years week, 21 of the owners will get left out. What about the four who succeed? Is it at least possible that all four units go to CWA owners if they get to the units first?

If it is a high demand week, all 25 owners in your hypothetical will be left out. They will not be able to do anything until thirteen months before check-in and the 4BR Pres units will all be gone, taken by PresRes owners fourteen months before check-in.

 

[ronparise]

Ron is right ...

I have seen and talked to a CWA owner who was looking at Ocean Palms building for "the CWA unit" they could book at during the ARP period for the Pompano Beach area. They want Royal Vista ... but not in CWA; no fixed weeks. Nothing was available at Santa Barbara ... all fixed weeks or converted fixed weeks.

Sea Gardens is almost ALL fixed weeks also except for the Ocean Palms building .. some CWP. One unit for her dates was available to book ... she was just stunned ... big resorts & NOTHING to book during ARP. Yes, I know it has definitely CHANGED.... but Fixed Weeks rule still...even during ARP and when converted to points.

As for Royal Vista ... having competing pots of "pure points" ... and the recent major use year change for ARP to a Jan-Dec model... everybody will be hunting the Jan-Apr reservations ... with all the points (and ARP they can muster).

Personally, my fixed weeks winter contracts just increased in value by a LOT.

I dont understand that statement either, The number of fixed weeks is the number of fixed weeks, Moving some UDI inventory to CWA didnt add or subtract any fixed weeks, nor did it add ir subtract any fixed week owners

I dont see that anything changed regarding fixed weeks


I will back off a little on what I said regarding the competition for udi inventory.. If there is inventory to move into CWA that must mean the place is no longer sold out. So before the move (in a hypothetical 100 unit resort, instead of having 5000 owners competing for 100 units (50:1)we have (lets say) 4000 owners competing for 100 spaces. So the odds are better than if in a sold out state

If the "excess" 20 units are moved to CWA, we go back to "sold out" odds 4000 competing for 80 units ((50:1) and 20 CWA units available to the entire owner base of CWA

As an example I own La Belle Maison UDI points and I own CWA. When I called to make Mardi Gras reservations I put the VC to work with the UDI first. A few minutes later when all that availability was gone, I switched to my CWA points. and was able to grab a few reservations from that inventory before it was all gone
There are two separate buckets of inventory and they are not supposed to be mixed. Its as if there are two different resorts under one roof

 

[am1]

If it is a high demand week, all 25 owners in your hypothetical will be left out. They will not be able to do anything until thirteen months before check-in and the 4BR Pres units will all be gone, taken by PresRes owners fourteen months before check-in.

Not all presidential units are presidential reserve units.

 

[vacationhopeful]

Ron,
La Belle had from the GET-GO units in CWA and CWP. Royal Vista did not ... all ownership is identified as CWP ... my deeds say "(231)K of total "millions of CWP" points deeded at Royal Vista. NO CWA ownership. Fixed weeks would reflex the underlying converted week to CWA points ... along with the 1/52nd of the MF illregardless of the points assigned/owned by CWA.

So you can NOT have different pots of points ... as the RV ownership is ID'ed at CWP points.

What is the story with Bonnet Creek? Which towers were built before and after CWA? ANY?