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Rooted Kindle Fire is the real deal

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This is a slick little tablet, no lie. It is not an iPad, but it is a damn good device.

To recap from previous, the downside is that its hardware is bare bones; no microphone, no 3G/4G, 8G storage with no expansion, 7" screen. And stock from Amazon, it is crippled; it doesn't do anything Googly, like Youtube, like all the Google Play Market apps, like Netflix, like the different launchers, and the Amazon Launcher is truly ugly.

The upside is that once it is liberated from Amazon, it is pretty damn slick, especially for $199 retail, or $169 refurbished w/full warranty, or REALLY especially for the $139 refurbished w/full warranty deal that they ran a couple weeks ago. (Note, the "w/full warranty" is for confidence; if you root, you void that warranty.)

Here's the hot ticket. Get the device. Go to XDA Developers and read the guides for the Kindle Fire. Then download the Kindle Fire Utility (KFU) and follow the instructions. Voila, you have root.

(If I can do it, you can do it. The only requirement is a reasonable sense of curiosity and an ability to overcome fear of screwing up. I was totally flummoxed upon first reading the instructions, but the guides explain everything thoroughly, including full explanations of terminology. It is almost impossible to genuinely "brick" a Kindle Fire (but not completely impossible). I pseudo-bricked it a couple times, and muddled my way back pretty quickly.)

Use root access and KFU to install Google Play Market, Youtube, and all the stuff Amazon doesn't want you to have... like Go Launcher, which makes the Kindle Fire look really cool, and is a more intuitive interface for Android users.

But you're not done yet. By getting root, you now have access to Google Market, which means you get the good extras... but you LOSE Amazon Prime's streaming video on demand, which is a pretty nice feature to keep. Download OTA Rootkeeper from Google Market (not available from Amazon, for obvious reasons). OTA Rootkeeper does two things: 1), it protects your root access during system updates, and 2) allows you to toggle between rooted and unrooted. Install it, set "protect root" in the menu, and then toggle it to "unrooted", reboot, and enjoy it all; all the Google stuff works, AND all the Amazon stuff works. You have to take an extra screentouch to launch a book or streaming video, it appears that Go Launcher conflicts somehow. But so what.

To answer an unasked question, you could install a custom ROM. I don't see why I should do that, because I like having Amazon streaming video. If you install a custom ROM, you wipe direct access to Amazon. I think there's a workaround, but I stopped when I was satisfied I'd reached an optimum balance of features and usability.

Highly recommended. In this configuration, it is transformed from a nice toy to to a useful tool (that is also a nice toy when that's what you want).
 
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My hubby bought a new, but clearanced out HP tablet for $160. HP dumped them. It had crappy Web OS software. My husband was able to add Droid software from instructions on the web..free. Now we have a fully functioning Android tablet. I have the Kindle App and Overdrive media and I borrow library books and read them on the tablet. I also get on the internet. Love it!
 

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YES! Same principle, different hardware! My sister and her husband got an off-brand Android tablet, and after repeated frustrations did the same thing, and they are very happy with the results.
 

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Mosca, thanks for the update. I've been curious whether you rooted, or not. I love how easily Android devices are customized. I'd be interested in finding out if you can overclock the Fire. If you'd like to try, you can download the setcpu app from Google Play. I am really enjoying my $99 tablet. Not perfect, but good enough to confirm my thought that no tablet is worth more than $250. If you do any other cool things with your Fire, let us know.
 

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I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus new for $269. It comes with Android 3.2, 16gb storage, expandable with MicroSD card inserted. (I ordered a 32gb card for $23 online, so I'll have a total of 48gb all in.) All the apps you mention are there out of the box, and I was able to connect it to my PC, drag across a bunch of "aftermarket" Kindle-compatible books, and some movies I'd ripped from DVDs to an MP4 format the Tab screen loves. I'm very impressed. It's a killer device, and I'm really pleased with it. No rooting required.

Having said that, if you had a good root experience, I'm really happy for you, and even happier for your device. I tried to root a cell phone several years ago, (being the IT hotshot I think I am), and I bricked it. Never again, unless absolutely necessary. :D

Enjoy your Fire. It's a great tool/toy for those times when a "real" PC isn't necessary, and a smartphone isn't good enough.

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I recently bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus new for $269. It comes with Android 3.2, 16gb storage, expandable with MicroSD card inserted. (I ordered a 32gb card for $23 online, so I'll have a total of 48gb all in.) All the apps you mention are there out of the box, and I was able to connect it to my PC, drag across a bunch of "aftermarket" Kindle-compatible books, and some movies I'd ripped from DVDs to an MP4 format the Tab screen loves. I'm very impressed. It's a killer device, and I'm really pleased with it. No rooting required.

Having said that, if you had a good root experience, I'm really happy for you, and even happier for your device. I tried to root a cell phone several years ago, (being the IT hotshot I think I am), and I bricked it. Never again, unless absolutely necessary. :D

Enjoy your Fire. It's a great tool/toy for those times when a "real" PC isn't necessary, and a smartphone isn't good enough.

Dave

The Galaxy 7.0 Plus is the tablet I'd upgrade to if I were going to upgrade. I figure when they come down in price a little more, I'll pull the trigger ($269 is a great price!), but I'm in no hurry. I suppose an alternative would be the Google/ASUS tablet that's in the works. It's surprising how much tablet one can get for so little money these days.
 

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I havent rooted mine and I watch Youtube all the time - I love it the way it is. The only thing it doesnt have that I wish it did is "collections" like on my Kindle 3.
 

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O.K., I'll bite...

Stepping forth to shamelessly and boldly reveal my technological ignorance :eek: , I have to ask...

What does "rooting" mean, anyhow? :confused: :shrug: :confused:
 

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Stepping forth to shamelessly and boldly reveal my technological ignorance :eek: , I have to ask...

What does "rooting" mean, anyhow? :confused: :shrug: :confused:

And I'd like to know how easy it is to un-root if you change your mind. Is it easy to switch back? Also, can someone provide just a simple listing of the benefits? Thanks!

I would probably just want to keep the Amazon Prime video capability.
 

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Stepping forth to shamelessly and boldly reveal my technological ignorance :eek: , I have to ask...

What does "rooting" mean, anyhow? :confused: :shrug: :confused:

Rooting is essentially gaining administrative (superuser) privileges on a Linux/Unix device, which allows one to edit system files that can't be accessed otherwise.

Say, for instance, the device had a cellular radio, but was software disabled (due to a carrier agreement, etc). If one has root privileges, they could theoretically find and edit the (previously read-only) system file to enable the radio, turning a wi-fi only device into a 3G/4G device. Or, the manufacturer has determined that the best trade-off between battery life and performance happens when the CPU runs at 1.0GHz. Let's say you primarily use your device at home, so you don't care about reducing the battery life. With root access, one can (potentially) go in and overclock the CPU to say 1.2GHz, gaining a 20% improvement in performance. A last example would be if there are system background processes constantly running that you don't use, having root access will allow one to permanently shut those processes down, extending standby battery life.

Basically, admin privileges with read/write/execute power on every file.
 
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Rooting is essentially gaining administrative (superuser) privileges on a Linux/Unix device, which allows one to edit system files that can't be accessed otherwise. Say, for instance, the device had a cellular radio, but was software disabled (due to a carrier agreement, etc). If one has root privileges, they could find and edit the file to enable the radio turning a wi-fi only device into a 3G/4G device. Or, the manufacturer has determined that the best trade-off between battery life and performance happens when the CPU runs at 1.0GHz. Let's say you primarily use your device at home, so you don't care about reducing the battery life. With root access, one can (potentially) go in and overclock the CPU to say 1.2GHz, gaining a 20% improvement in performance. A last example would be if there are system background processes constantly running that you don't use, having root access will allow one to permanently shut those processes down, extending standby battery life.
Basically, admin privileges with read/write/execute power on every file.

Thank you, Jim; I appreciate your time and effort to explain this.

That said, it is now clear to me that I am considerably more technologically ignorant than I had ever even realized. :eek:
 
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Thank you, Jim; I appreciate your time and effort to explain this.

That said, it is now clear to me that I am considerably more technologically ignorant than I had ever even realized. :eek:

I now realize that

No worries. I'm new to Android, but I've used Unix/Linux for 20+ years. Having said that, I only know enough to be dangerous. My Android tablet came with root access, but I was able to successfully root my Android phone (and consequently enable wi-fi tethering).

BTW, I should mention that rooting typically voids the warranty on most devices.
 

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Rooting is essentially gaining administrative (superuser) privileges on a Linux/Unix device, which allows one to edit system files that can't be accessed otherwise.

Say, for instance, the device had a cellular radio, but was software disabled (due to a carrier agreement, etc). If one has root privileges, they could theoretically find and edit the (previously read-only) system file to enable the radio turning a wi-fi only device into a 3G/4G device. Or, the manufacturer has determined that the best trade-off between battery life and performance happens when the CPU runs at 1.0GHz. Let's say you primarily use your device at home, so you don't care about reducing the battery life. With root access, one can (potentially) go in and overclock the CPU to say 1.2GHz, gaining a 20% improvement in performance. A last example would be if there are system background processes constantly running that you don't use, having root access will allow one to permanently shut those processes down, extending standby battery life.

Basically, admin privileges with read/write/execute power on every file.

Jim,

Thanks for a great explanation! I appreciate your technical expertise and willingness to share with other fellow Tuggers.


Richard
 

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So, I see that the rooting process gives you access to more apps. I also see that they now have an app for getting the Amazon videos, if you need that. I guess I'm tempted to try this.
 

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Today's Woot.com offering is a refurb Android tablet. More memory, SD slot, camera, HDMI cable and case for $159. I have no idea how it compares to the Kindle Fire otherwise, but as mentioned, tablets are become more capable at lower cost. http://www.woot.com/

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Today's Woot.com offering is a refurb Android tablet. More memory, SD slot, camera, HDMI cable and case for $159. I have no idea how it compares to the Kindle Fire otherwise, but as mentioned, tablets are become more capable at lower cost. http://www.woot.com/

Jim

Thanks for posting this Jim. It's a good deal. For those considering buying this tablet, note that the Operating System is Android 2.3 (Gingerbread). Android has two more recent Operating Systems - Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) and 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich). I'm not sure if you'd be able to root the Device to update the Operating System.


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Today's Woot.com offering is a refurb Android tablet. More memory, SD slot, camera, HDMI cable and case for $159. I have no idea how it compares to the Kindle Fire otherwise, but as mentioned, tablets are become more capable at lower cost. http://www.woot.com/

Jim

As I recall, the Vizio tablets got mediocre reviews, although I don't remember what it was that folks complained about. Having said that, I'd venture there's a forum dedicated to the Vizios over on XDA developers.
 

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So, I see that the rooting process gives you access to more apps. I also see that they now have an app for getting the Amazon videos, if you need that. I guess I'm tempted to try this.

There are enough KF's out there that I doubt you'll get into trouble. Chances are if you screw something up, someone else has already done it and recovered from it (much like Windows, in that respect; -- no "Genius" req'd, just Google for a solution). Plus, you can lean on Mosca if you get stuck!
 

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Haha, I know enough to copy and paste the instructions into the terminal (command line box that you get by typing "cmd" at the "run" prompt in the Windows pop up start menu) rather than try to type them.

Once you've rooted, you can install the newer Android systems. I chose not to, because I was satisfied with my results.

For those with the Kindle Fire, these sources were invaluable:

[GUIDE] Kindle Fire For Beginners

Complete Video Guide and troubleshooting for root,market,recovery,etc...

[HOW TO] Unbricking/Restoring your Kindle Fire
(pretty simple for 90% of the problems you'll encounter)

6.3 Root method
 
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too funny, so you root to use other app stores?

god this app thing could be the end of technology
 

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Thanks Mosca. I've been thinking about giving this a go..

The wife bought me a Fire for Xmas, but in Canada we have no access to the paid apps on the marketplace or Amazon Prime sevices so it hasn't seen much use.
I'll have a go at this this week and post my results...
 

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And I'd like to know how easy it is to un-root if you change your mind. Is it easy to switch back? Also, can someone provide just a simple listing of the benefits? Thanks!

I would probably just want to keep the Amazon Prime video capability.

It's pretty easy. Anything you changed, you can change back. the benefit for me was twofold:

1) the Google apps, and

2) the "launcher", which is the interface between the device and the user, the way it looks and acts. Previous versions of Kindles were compatible with different launchers, the latest update, 6.3, was not.

Once you've rooted, you install OTA Rootkeeper, back up your root access, then toggle to "unrooted". You have saved all your changes, including access to Google Play apps and the more attractive and useful launcher, and restored the Amazon Prime capability.
 

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I think this is quite interesting, from a hobbyist perspective.

Also, on a related note, have you heard that the Google Tablet is now rumored to be released this summer? According to what I've read, it's going to be priced between $200-250 (specifically to compete with the Fire) and have the latest OS.
 

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The only problem with this that they are having a lot of problems with these. We bought three at Christmas and all three have quit working. Amazon replaces them for free very quickly, but if you void you warranty that could be a problem. I guess they are fixing these and selling them as refurbished. There are a lot of people that have had problems. I will give them kudos though for replacing them easily and quickly.
 
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