Renting Wyndham

[Sandi Bo]

These threads are about Wyndham attacking owners who are renting, and when owners want to state their displeasure on TUG, because this is usually a safe place, we get bullied by TUG members. We cannot even dialogue on TUG about a big corporation who is indeed bullying without vitriol from TUG members who think we are breaking a rule, a rule that was added to the Wyndham website arbitrarily.

Agree except I would say used to be a safe place...

 

[rickandcindy23]

Agree except I would say used to be a safe place...

Yes, I tend to keep my mouth shut. I avoid the bullies, mostly.

 

[Rolltydr]

Alternate take. We can’t disagree and have a discussion about renting and Wyndham’s right to change the rules without being called bullies by the renters.

 

[billymach4]

These threads are about Wyndham attacking owners who are renting, and when owners want to state their displeasure on TUG, because this is usually a safe place, we get bullied by TUG members. We cannot even dialogue on TUG about a big corporation who is indeed bullying without vitriol from TUG members who think we are breaking a rule, a rule that was added to the Wyndham website arbitrarily.

This is definitely an insider issue. Appreciate the high level overview. I have a curiosity interest in Wyndham due to their properties in the New England area. Particularly in Rhode Island Since it is an easy drive from my current location.

 

[Sandi Bo]

Alternate take. We can’t disagree and have a discussion about renting and Wyndham’s right to change the rules without being called bullies by the renters.

Sadly, people can't state their opinion about Wyndham without the thread quickly digressing to name calling/belittling of posters. I'm not saying by you. You can have whatever opinion you like. But direct name calling going on has really ruined TUG for me. I'm surprised continues to go on, and yet it does. Just can't say anything anymore, I am vowing to stay off of TUG a bit more, I'm trying, it's an addiction (and not healthy). Be kind. That's my alternate take. Ha... I leave with a story, someone was letting their 6 year old jump into the hot tub during a recently. When my friend reprimanded the boy, the Mom jumped all over my friend, said she was just about to correct the boy and to leave the correction to his Mama. She was wearing a shirt that said 'Be Nice'. The world today.

 

[Lsfinn]

Can anyone point me toward where in the contract documents there are rules regarding renting points? I'm especially interested in rules that have a specific carveout for ExtraHolidays.
Thanks!

 

[bnoble]

There is no blanket prohibition against renting, and so there is correspondingly no carve-out for EH. There is language that forbids (or at least disclaims) using an ownership for "commercial purposes" that I am too busy to look up right now, but there are no concrete/actionable definitions of "commercial" that would be helpful to an owner trying to suss out where the line might be.

There are some rules about how many GCs one can use at certain resorts and during certain dates. IIRC, someone tried to give a "restricted" reservation to EH and it was declined. Not sure if they still do that or not, but at least at the time EH would not take a reservation that was restricted for GC use by owners.

 

[WManning]

I feel there should be a website praiseron.com

These threads are about Wyndham attacking owners who are renting, and when owners want to state their displeasure on TUG, because this is usually a safe place, we get bullied by TUG members. We cannot even dialogue on TUG about a big corporation who is indeed bullying without vitriol from TUG members who think we are breaking a rule, a rule that was added to the Wyndham website arbitrarily.

Best way to beat them is to join them at their game. If rules change you must adapt to new strategies. If you can't adapt Best course of action is to tap out.

 

[chapjim]

There is no blanket prohibition against renting, and so there is correspondingly no carve-out for EH. There is language that forbids (or at least disclaims) using an ownership for "commercial purposes" that I am too busy to look up right now, but there are no concrete/actionable definitions of "commercial" that would be helpful to an owner trying to suss out where the line might be.

There are some rules about how many GCs one can use at certain resorts and during certain dates. IIRC, someone tried to give a "restricted" reservation to EH and it was declined. Not sure if they still do that or not, but at least at the time EH would not take a reservation that was restricted for GC use by owners.

That was me. It was an item being discussed here so I tried it. To the surprise of many, EH refused to take it. I'm not sure what I would have done if EH had taken it.

 

[CO skier]

IIRC, someone tried to give a "restricted" reservation to EH and it was declined. Not sure if they still do that or not, but at least at the time EH would not take a reservation that was restricted for GC use by owners.

What should be more clearly stated is that the reason to begin the process by reviewing the Owner-Only dates first is that these dates may not be booked for an Extra Holidays listing.

 

[jules54]

I keep reading in these threads about commercial renting about we knew what we were getting into when we signed the contract with Wyndham. I have never signed a contract with Wyndham. My one contract I bought from the developer was not a Wyndham affliate when I purchased the contract that happened after I already owned the contract. I can guarantee there was never anything I signed that warned me I couldn’t rent my reservations. I was encouraged by every salesman I ever spoke to that renting my reservations to pay my maintenance fees was the thing to do. Everything else I bought was resale so no signing anything for Wyndham there either.
Is this an automatic thing just taken for granted because you pay monthly or yearly maintenance fees to Wyndham. I’m really curious about this.

 

[CO skier]

Is this an automatic thing just taken for granted because you pay monthly or yearly maintenance fees to Wyndham. I’m really curious about this.

Yes, regardless whether or not you signed a contract, if you have and use Wyndham points you are subject to the terms of the points Trust.

"WHEREAS, the Points allocated to a Member may be used to reserve Trust Properties pursuant to the procedures described in this Trust Agreement and the FairShare Plus Member’s Directory;"

On page 254 of the current Member’s Directory:

“The Program is for a Member’s own personal use and enjoyment and not for any commercial purposes.”

 

[jules54]

Yes, regardless whether or not you signed a contract, if you have and use Wyndham points you are subject to the terms of the points Trust.

"WHEREAS, the Points allocated to a Member may be used to reserve Trust Properties pursuant to the procedures described in this Trust Agreement and the FairShare Plus Member’s Directory;"

On page 254 of the current Member’s Directory:

“The Program is for a Member’s own personal use and enjoyment and not for any commercial purposes.”

Thank you CO skier
Subject to terms of the trust! Glad to know I didn’t actually sign something blindly that I don’t remember signing.

 

[T-Dot-Traveller]

That’s not it at all. But some people insist on having the same argument over. And over. And over. And over.

In the immortal words of The Rock: it doesn’t matter who got the better of whom, who was right, ........

Nice YouTube
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Do you send it to students who don't like their earned grade ?
LOL

 

[HitchHiker71]

Thank you CO skier
Subject to terms of the trust! Glad to know I didn’t actually sign something blindly that I don’t remember signing.

There's also the website Terms of Use that everyone who uses the Wyndham owner website inherently agrees to whether they realize it or not:

Terms of Use

By accessing Club Wyndham and/or using the Web Services, you agree to the Terms of use.

clubwyndham.wyndhamdestinations.com

 

[troy12n]

OMG all this talk of safe spaces, and the plight of the poor, downtrodden, disaffected mega renter... PUHLEAZE...