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[GregT]

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A gentle note - Greg voluntarily edited his own thread.
DeniseM

 

[SueDonJ]

Good idea in theory, Greg; we all appreciate the effort you're putting into trying to clean up the Marriott boards. But truthfully, I think this place has been run amok with little to no oversight from moderators for too long, and the only way it's going to get back on track is if we pester the moderators to intervene when it's obviously necessary. It's ridiculous that it's come to this.

 

[GregT]

Good idea in theory, Greg; we all appreciate the effort you're putting into trying to clean up the Marriott boards. But truthfully, I think this place has been run amok with little to no oversight from moderators for too long, and the only way it's going to get back on track is if we pester the moderators to intervene when it's obviously necessary. It's ridiculous that it's come to this.

Okay - I sent PM to TUGBrian and cc:'d Timeos. Maybe we'll see less negativity.

 

[SueDonJ]

Oh gosh, I didn't mean that you should feel like your thread had to be stopped! I hope you don't feel like I was telling you what to do.

 

[GregT]

Oh gosh, I didn't mean that you should feel like your thread had to be stopped! I hope you don't feel like I was telling you what to do.

Sending you a PM -- no problem at all!

 

[DeniseM]

Here is the thing: Threads get warnings or closed, because they violate the TUG posting rules. Negativity does not violate the TUG posting rules. You may find it irritating, and annoying, but unless it violates the rules, it will probably stand.

 

[GregT]

Here is the thing: Threads get warnings or closed, because they violate the TUG posting rules. Negativity does not violate the TUG posting rules. You may find it irritating, and annoying, but unless it violates the rules, it will probably stand.

So why did DanCali lose his posting privileges in Fall of 2010 for negativity?

 

[DeniseM]

So why did DanCali lose his posting privileges in Fall of 2010 for negativity?

Since I didn't do it, I have no idea.

 

[DeniseM]

Since I didn't do it, I have no idea.

*I just looked - he was not suspended for being negative - he violated specific posting rules, and was suspended after multiple warning.

 

[GregT]

*I just looked - he was not suspended for being negative - he violated specific posting rules, and was suspended after multiple warning.

Well, Denise, I will defer to you -- but he was under the impression (from his PM to me) that it was negativity.

 

[SueDonJ]

*I just looked - he was not suspended for being negative - he violated specific posting rules, and was suspended after multiple warning.

If I remember correctly, after "skimming" had been brought into practically every single Marriott thread in the months after the introduction of Marriott's new Destination Club, Dave made a rule that "skimming" was to be discussed in only one specific thread. I think Dan violated that rule.

So, Denise, can we Marriott people ask you as a moderator to limit Timeos' posts that further his anti-Marriott agenda, to only specific threads? You can take a look here at just the latest in a long line of recent threads which he has taken off-topic with his agenda. It's getting beyond annoying, and it's worth noting that his Marriott knowledge is not always factual.

 

[GregT]

Denise,

And my issue is Post #6, Post #23 and Post #27 are contributions inappropriate for a Moderator.

This thread never got back on track and ultimately was closed for other reasons.


http://tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162956

 

[funtime]

It may not be against the current rules but I am getting awfully tired of negativity - it has turned so often into one upmanship, name calling - either direct or indirect - and (forgive me) I fear too much testosterone on the Board. What is not seen are the many, many posters who do not post because they will fear being ridiculed or criticized or worse - "naive" for holding more positive views. We do not get to share their positive experiences - on a thread designed to elicit positive experiences. These are the viewpoints that we are regularly missing when threads turn negative.

At the least, there should be greater monitoring of "highjacking" of a thread and would this not be great? only three postings per thread allowed each poster. Then they might not turn into diatribes. Before that happened on the last Marriott thread some of us were learning how to enjoy our Marriotts and how others enjoyed them. So put me down as sick and tired of the negative know it alls that feel impelled to share their views and to do so ad infinitum. Janete aka Funtime

 

[scrapngen]

*I just looked - he was not suspended for being negative - he violated specific posting rules, and was suspended after multiple warning.

Denise, I have sent you email (for some reason PMing you was not working - tried multiple times)

 

[heathpack]

It may not be against the current rules but I am getting awfully tired of negativity - it has turned so often into one upmanship, name calling - either direct or indirect - and (forgive me) I fear too much testosterone on the Board. What is not seen are the many, many posters who do not post because they will fear being ridiculed or criticized or worse - "naive" for holding more positive views. We do not get to share their positive experiences - on a thread designed to elicit positive experiences. These are the viewpoints that we are regularly missing when threads turn negative.

At the least, there should be greater monitoring of "highjacking" of a thread and would this not be great? only three postings per thread allowed each poster. Then they might not turn into diatribes. Before that happened on the last Marriott thread some of us were learning how to enjoy our Marriotts and how others enjoyed them. So put me down as sick and tired of the negative know it alls that feel impelled to share their views and to do so ad infinitum. Janete aka Funtime

I totally agree with this. I think there has been a lot of sharpness on TUG, the type of thing that makes me reconsider spending time here. My suggestion is to refuse to debate certain people. If you know someone is a pot stirrer, then simply refuse to converse with that person.

I also was under the impression that personal attacks were against TUG posting rules. When one poster addresses another by name and then saying they have "swallowed Koolaid" or some such comment- well that seems pretty much like a personal attack to me. "You are delusional, no better than a cult member." How is that not personal? Who would actually say that to someone they "know" unless trying to insult?

This kind of thing is the kiss of death for a BBS about TSs IMO. Folks are older, more mature and are not interested in the typical BBS snarkiness. I sincerely hope this kind of rude behavior gets stamped out soon.

H

 

[m61376]

Funtime- while I agree with the general commentary posted by you and others, in that the board is certainly more enjoyable- and helpful- when people extend common courtesy to each other, I think we'd all lose out if we limited the number of posts per thread. I think it would encourage more offline (PM type) conversations, and I know I have learned a lot over the years from others' questions and commentary.

We should all try to "talk" with each other- and not lecture to one another- the same way we would like to be spoken to. Even the most knowledgeable amongst us has some thing to learn, and frequently even the newbies have something profound to offer.

Personally, I joined initially for a crash course in timesharing, and it became a diversion when I was grieving over a few personal tragedies. Now I am a frequent participant because I can contribute and I can learn, and I really enjoy the board. I would hope that the majority of active courteous participants will not let negativity by a minority drive them away. I think most of us, although we oftentimes disagree (just like in real interpersonal relationships) respect each other and many of us could likely be friends if not scattered throughout the country. Let's not let a few people spoil it.

 

[presley]

Greg, your thread hasn't stopped.

We all TS differently and I think that is good news. Imagine if we all did it same - we'd be tripping over each other on every vacation.

I couldn't care less who likes to play the exchange game and who likes to own where they want to stay. I have enjoyed reading the owners perspectives. I haven't stayed in a Marriott yet, but will in August - Palm Desert. I have a feeling that my husband will love it, so I am trying to get as much info as I can by reading these threads, because we love the desert and let's face it, if my hubby loves the Marriott, we will want to stay there on a regular basis.

I hope the owners will continue to post, so that I can continue to learn all the options.

 

[pipet]

a lot of traffic for a dead thread!

What I've seen on the boards lately is certainly NO WORSE than DanCali complaining about skim every post, except that someone made a rule not to complain about skim anymore.

If DanCali can't complain about skim, why should these other complaints be allowed that essentially change the subject of the threads? Because that was all DanCali did. DanCali should have been allowed to complain about skim on Every Single Post if others are allowed to complain about the evil "M" on every post even when it's not relevant.

Fair is fair here...

I do appreciate reading **some** of the negative views because I want to know the different perspectives, but it can go overboard. I still hate the skim but I realize it's not relevant on most posts. In discussions about the value of DC, it is still relevant. If the recently hijacked threads were about things like: how do you value Marriott vs others, exchanging into Marriott, etc, they would also be relevant. In many cases (esp other threads I've read in the past), the negative comments about Marriott do fit the subject, but there are clear cases where it didn't belong. In the thread about focusing *specifically* on the positive, it didn't belong. It isn't also very relevant to the bad behavior of people hogging chairs & cushions at a particular resort.

I would hate to see some major rule overly limiting what is posted here. I hope the moderators can take a step back if needed & be examples. I hope they can encourage others, if they are getting too personal about a subject, to take a chill pill.

As others have made the car comparison, I have a very low opinion of Mercedes/BMW, but at the same time, I am not going to "hate" on every Mercedes owner just because I *personally* feel they are a waste. I can tell the Mercedes owner that I don't like them because I read on Consumer Reports the reliability record is only average. They may know that & like Mercedes anyway because there are other things they value that probably are not important to me. Beating them over the head for liking what I consider a poor value won't change their mind. It's one thing to make an informative comment or two on reliability, and it's another thing to nag ad nauseum!

TUG is great for learning the ropes about TS in general and whatever system you own/use. There are so many ways to see value (or lack or) in your timeshare, but sometimes it seems there is not enough of agreeing to disagree.

 

[winger]

Is it just my perception only, OR has TUG really become very contentious since the new year started ???

 

[Dave M]

DanCali was not suspended for negativity or for posting about skim. He was suspended for violation (on multiple occasions with warnings that went unheeded) of two specific rules as written in the "Posting Rules" (see the link on the above blue bar) applicable to everyone. If he wishes to tell people otherwise, that's his choice. But we have retained the evidence and it is unmistakable.

On a related topic discussed here, negativity is not a violation of the posting rules. Everyone, whether a moderator or not, is permitted to express their opinions on topics posted on these forums. If moderators were not allowed to express their opinions, we would have a tough time getting people to volunteer. I for one would not volunteer, because I want to be able to express my opinions whether they are popular or not. DanCali, timeos2 and the rest of us, whether moderators are not, are not precluded from being negative. However, that negativity must be within the bounds of the "Be Courteous" Posting Rule when the negativity is directed at others.

 

[Dave M]

Adding to the above, perhaps it's time to be a little more strict on this forum with respect to the "Be Courteous" rule. Take notice that name-calling and implied name-calling (e.g., "You are ridiculous" compared to "I strongly disagree with your view.) is not permitted. I'll hope that those who choose to make negative posts (remember that negativity is often seen differently by those with opposing views) keep in mind that being courteous is a written rule for all TUG forums, including this Marriott forum.

If you see a post that you believe violates the posting rules, please click on the triangle underneath the poster's name to report it and a moderator will review the post.

Please don't bother going back to past posts to look for violations. Let's move forward.

 

[GregT]

Dave,

Welcome back and thank you for the comments and clarification. I think we would all welcome a return to civil discussion that is relevant to the thread topic.

I note that your information no longer says Moderator? I hope that's not the case? Even so, with your busy plans, is it useful to have an Assistant Moderator to help with the Marriott board?

All the best,

Greg

 

[pedro47]

Welcome Home Dave M.

 

[chriskre]

Is it just my perception only, OR has TUG really become very contentious since the new year started ???

Maybe it's all those MF bills that have everyone in a mix. :hysterical:
Sorry but we need a little levity around here. :ignore:

 

[winger]

Maybe it's all those MF bills that have everyone in a mix. :hysterical:
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LOL I paid ALL my MF's the day before Thanksgiving after lunch while enjoying my wonderful Newport Beach stay so I am in a decent mood this month !