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R.I.P. -- Joe Paterno

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... Your missing the BIG point, as a boss, if someone is using my locker room ... Joe was either an idiot or a sly fox, you pick which but either makes him look pretty bad.

Are you saying that joe paterno owned or controlled all access to the locker room at all times, because I think that is incorrect. Isn't that venue used for many events that are not PS football games?

Prove this, please.

And because he "looks" pretty bad, he must have done something wrong? yikes.
 

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So often when scandals like this break, practically the only thing that every single person agrees upon is, "I just hope that we learn something from all this."

Nothing was learned here, nothing.

Not true, Sue. People are now vowing to stand up and do the right thing if they see something wrong. That's a good thing.
 

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...It is interesting that even in prison child molesters are segregated from the rest of the inmates as they would never survive... there is even a code of ethics among murderers and other hard core criminals and people here try to brush it off as nothing more than a slight deviation.

again, to whom are you referring?
 

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People, c'mon here. This is a R.I.P. thread. JoePa was not convicted of anything. He lost his job and his life's work. His name will forever be linked with horrible events that he was not even witness to. There will be a time for recriminations.

We all feel strongly about this scandal, but please, put the court of TUG in recess. What is said here will have no bearing on the outcome.

Let the investigations continue and lead where they may. But for now anyway, allow his family to mourn his loss and honor his memory.

Peace be upon the mourners.

Jim
 

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Sandusky had privileges long after his removal as a coach to use the facilities at Penn State. If Joe Paterno had said the word, those privileges would have been revoked.

I had hoped this thread would not take this direction, but as it has.
So now that we know Paterno could not fire him, we are inventing magical powers. Cute.
He was barred from the lockerroom by the AD, which I think shows where that power lay.

Chew on his failure to use his superpowers if you must. The rest of us will let the dead rest in peace.
 
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There is no more doubt, Joe Paterno has been judged. He deserves to rest in peace. The PSU President and his executive level of reports should be held accountable. Joe is dead, leave him and his family alone.
 
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To those of you who would hang Joe Pa from the same gallows as Sandusky, nothing I write will change your opinion of him. For those not so blinded by anger or hate, you might consider the following. Joe Pa was almost universally loved by the men he coached. Read what they are saying about him. Do they speak about how well he taught them to be football players or how well he taught them to be good, caring human beings? Read the facts about the millions he contributed to charitable causes. Read about the library that bears his name. Read about his role in the growth of one of the finest public universities in the country. Read about his and Sue's involvement in Special Olympics. Every year Pennsylvania's Special Olympics holds its Summer Games at Penn State and every year the athletes are escorted into the stadium by football players. Read about his always finding the time to support Penn State's THON (the largest student run philanthropy in the country) and making sure his players did the same. I do believe Joe PA should have done more with the information McQueary gave to him. In hindsight, so did Joe. To those who would hang Joe PA with Sandusky, you're too late. To those who refuse to ignore what Coach Paterno meant to his football players, the university he loved, the community in which he lived, his family and untold others, I grieve with you.
 

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great, not sure what this has to do with anything but thanks for that.



To those of you who would hang Joe Pa from the same gallows as Sandusky, nothing I write will change your opinion of him. For those not so blinded by anger or hate, you might consider the following. Joe Pa was almost universally loved by the men he coached. Read what they are saying about him. Do they speak about how well he taught them to be football players or how well he taught them to be good, caring human beings? Read the facts about the millions he contributed to charitable causes. Read about the library that bears his name. Read about his role in the growth of one of the finest public universities in the country. Read about his and Sue's involvement in Special Olympics. Every year Pennsylvania's Special Olympics holds its Summer Games at Penn State and every year the athletes are escorted into the stadium by football players. Read about his always finding the time to support Penn State's THON (the largest student run philanthropy in the country) and making sure his players did the same. I do believe Joe PA should have done more with the information McQueary gave to him. In hindsight, so did Joe. To those who would hang Joe PA with Sandusky, you're too late. To those who refuse to ignore what Coach Paterno meant to his football players, the university he loved, the community in which he lived, his family and untold others, I grieve with you.
 

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great, not sure what this has to do with anything but thanks for that.

This has exactly to do with the initial post of this thread - it's a rest in peace thread for the recently deceased, in which people often remember positive contributions that person made to their community.

I would suggest that those wishing to debate the Sandusky scandal and Paterno's culpability in it, revive the thread that was created at the time that story broke. This thread was clearly not intended to be that, and I'm finding it surprisingly ugly. I really thought TUG was different.
 

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great, not sure what this has to do with anything but thanks for that.

As the OP, I assure you that gpurtz' post had everything to do with the topic I started.
I thank gpurtz for one of the more insightful posts I've read on the topic.
 
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Except that he was responing to the scandal part....Joes touching Bio doesn't change anything...

As the OP, I assure you that gpurtz' post had everything to do with the topic I started.
I thank gpurtz for one of the more insightful posts I've read on the topic.
 

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Joepa did much for PSU. As he said regarding the scandal, he should have done more. I think it is tragic for all involved.
 

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I don't think there's anybody on this thread that doesn't believe that Paterno should have done more regarding the scandal. However, that's over.

Now that the man is dead, isn't it time to reflect on the positives? Everyone agrees, including Paterno, that the scandal was a tragedy.
 

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People who brush this off as nothing more than an irritation. Obviously the university feels differently given the firings but it is too little and too late. How many kids were supposedly molested? Who nows but I would think that there is more than one based on what is being said in the press.
 

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People who brush this off as nothing more than an irritation.

I don't think anyone is thinking it was just an irritation. Paterno was not the one that committed the crime. The school and Paterno have both paid a very steep price for the scandal. Is that not enough? What else do you suggest should be done? Enlighten us please.
 

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Take him off the pedestal!
 

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pretty sure they did. They removed his statue in front of the stadium, and took his name off the trophies.

Whose? ... Pretty sure the facts are different.

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Per Yahoo:
How should Joe Paterno be remembered?
For his negligence in the abuse scandal... 21%
For his winningest football record... 79%
6,029 people have answered this question.
 

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I don't think anyone is thinking it was just an irritation. Paterno was not the one that committed the crime. The school and Paterno have both paid a very steep price for the scandal. Is that not enough? What else do you suggest should be done? Enlighten us please.

IMO, what should happen is that Penn State's football program should be shut down and allowed to re-open only when every single paid position associated with it is filled by someone with no connection to Paterno, the college or the area. Football programs have been severely sanctioned for far less grievous reasons than this one.

Scandals like this one that went on for years with multiple victims do not happen unless there is an attendant cover-up. The day that McQueary saw Sandusky in the shower with a young boy was not the first day that suspicions arose about Sandusky. Long before that episode he had been removed from his coaching position under questionable circumstances, yet was allowed privileges to continue using the facilities after his removal. The Grand Jury report detailed many other signs going further back that were ignored or swept under the rug, and leads to the implication that victims were sacrificed at the expense of the football program at Penn State.

I think that it's impossible to separate Joe Paterno's two legacies - one being the positive contributions that he made over the years to the community, the college, and his players, the second being that he was the revered Head Football Coach during a long period when a pedophile was able to take advantage of his connections to the school, and the protection afforded him by the head coach, in order to molest young boys both at the facilities and away from them. It will be very surprising if any obituary for Joe Paterno does not make mention of the scandal, because he was right smackdab in the middle of it and didn't do enough to stop it. Neither did many people who were right there with him, but nobody is saying that Joe Paterno is the only person who was responsible. He's one of the most powerful among them, but he's not the only one.
 

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IMO, what should happen is that Penn State's football program should be shut down and allowed to re-open only when every single paid position associated with it is filled by someone with no connection to Paterno, the college or the area. Football programs have been severely sanctioned for far less grievous reasons than this one.

Scandals like this one that went on for years with multiple victims do not happen unless there is an attendant cover-up. The day that McQueary saw Sandusky in the shower with a young boy was not the first day that suspicions arose about Sandusky. Long before that episode he had been removed from his coaching position under questionable circumstances, yet was allowed privileges to continue using the facilities after his removal. The Grand Jury report detailed many other signs going further back that were ignored or swept under the rug, and leads to the implication that victims were sacrificed at the expense of the football program at Penn State.

I think that it's impossible to separate Joe Paterno's two legacies - one being the positive contributions that he made over the years to the community, the college, and his players, the second being that he was the revered Head Football Coach during a long period when a pedophile was able to take advantage of his connections to the school, and the protection afforded him by the head coach, in order to molest young boys both at the facilities and away from them. It will be very surprising if any obituary for Joe Paterno does not make mention of the scandal, because he was right smackdab in the middle of it and didn't do enough to stop it. Neither did many people who were right there with him, but nobody is saying that Joe Paterno is the only person who was responsible. He's one of the most powerful among them, but he's not the only one.

Thanks for stating your side. I respect your opinion and I think we all have a difference of opinion on how much punishment is necessary. I feel that justice has already been served on Paterno and Penn State (aside from the legal liability that will be forthcoming). They really have paid a very steep price.

I can definitely understand why you feel that strongly. We just disagree on what the correct level of punishment should be.
 

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Once again , great post. My main issue is he, like others in Penn State, were very well aware of what was going on but swept it under the rug to protect the football program, regardless of what happen to the kids. This is how sports and big buisness works in lots of casses, even in some religons. The man priority of everyone involved was the reputation of the football program.










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IMO, what should happen is that Penn State's football program should be shut down and allowed to re-open only when every single paid position associated with it is filled by someone with no connection to Paterno, the college or the area. Football programs have been severely sanctioned for far less grievous reasons than this one.

Scandals like this one that went on for years with multiple victims do not happen unless there is an attendant cover-up. The day that McQueary saw Sandusky in the shower with a young boy was not the first day that suspicions arose about Sandusky. Long before that episode he had been removed from his coaching position under questionable circumstances, yet was allowed privileges to continue using the facilities after his removal. The Grand Jury report detailed many other signs going further back that were ignored or swept under the rug, and leads to the implication that victims were sacrificed at the expense of the football program at Penn State.

I think that it's impossible to separate Joe Paterno's two legacies - one being the positive contributions that he made over the years to the community, the college, and his players, the second being that he was the revered Head Football Coach during a long period when a pedophile was able to take advantage of his connections to the school, and the protection afforded him by the head coach, in order to molest young boys both at the facilities and away from them. It will be very surprising if any obituary for Joe Paterno does not make mention of the scandal, because he was right smackdab in the middle of it and didn't do enough to stop it. Neither did many people who were right there with him, but nobody is saying that Joe Paterno is the only person who was responsible. He's one of the most powerful among them, but he's not the only one.
 

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TUG really needs a "Like" button.

I have had that thought many times and never more than now!!

As the mother and the aunt of young women who were molested as pre-teens by someone very close to our family, I see how much and how long children suffer over this. EVERYONE who has any idea that this could possibly be happening to a child should let everyone connected know - and keep telling them every single day until something is done about it. Years after my daughter and niece were molested a fairly close acquaintance mentioned that she heard that he had molested someone years before but didnt want to cause trouble or hurt anyone. :mad:
 
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