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Question re: Consolidation of Deeds

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I'm hoping that someone here can answer a question for me regarding consolidation of deeds. Here's the story.

Back in October, my wife and I went to an owner breakfast at the Wyndham Grand Desert Resort in Las Vegas. The representative we talked to tried to get us to consolidate deeds we hold at other Wyndham properties into a single deed at a Wyndham resort in Hawaii. Such consolidation also required that we buy more points. Since we do not ever intend to go to Hawaii, and since we did not want to spend $22,000 on the points, we decided to pass. But I did ask the question of the rep, can we consolidate our existing deeds without buying additional points? The rep said that we couldn't do that - consolidation required buying more points.

When we got home, I wrote a letter to Wyndham's owner relations department asking them to explain to my wife and me, in writing, why we could not consolidate our deeds without purchasing more points. I also gave them about a month to respond. A representative from owner relations did call us and left a message, but she didn't leave a direct line at which to contact her (only a toll-free number). She also contacted us via email to follow up. I responded to her email, then followed up with two more emails. To date, no other response received.

In my last email, I indicated that I planned to ask the same question I asked in my original letter to the attorney general of Nevada (where the offer was made), and the attorneys general of New Jersey and North Carolina (where we own with Wyndham). And I explained that my question is to help us understand what we are and what we are not entitled to in terms of our deeds. We're not looking to sue or anything like that. We just want an explanation.

I'm hoping someone here has had a similar experience, or knows the answer to my question.
 

scootr5

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They are not going to "consolidate" your deeds, they are going to but them back and sell you a new one to replace the point total. There is no other way to turn multiple deeds into one.
 

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The answer seems simple to me


They dont have to accept a trade. However as an incentive for you to make a purchase, they will.

Wyndham is not proposing a trade. They are proposing a sale and they will take your trade in if that will encourage you say yes.
 

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The answer seems simple to me


They dont have to accept a trade. However as an incentive for you to make a purchase, they will.

Wyndham is not proposing a trade. They are proposing a sale and they will take your trade in if that will encourage you say yes.
What was even simpler for us was telling them there was no way we were spending $22,000. Not in this economy especially. I get that they wanted us to consolidate or trade in our old deeds for a new one in a different spot. But to me, it seems like there ought to be a way to consolidate existing deeds, even if we bought nothing else. And based on past experience with Wyndham, we will buy nothing else from them.
 

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And based on past experience with Wyndham, we will buy nothing else from them.

If more points are required, buy on Ebay.

If you require more points to use for a year or three, have other owners obtain reservations for you and rent them pay them.

Don't be buying retail from Wyndham. Much better options exist.
 

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What was even simpler for us was telling them there was no way we were spending $22,000. Not in this economy especially. I get that they wanted us to consolidate or trade in our old deeds for a new one in a different spot. But to me, it seems like there ought to be a way to consolidate existing deeds, even if we bought nothing else. And based on past experience with Wyndham, we will buy nothing else from them.

Of course you dont have to buy something new from Wyndham

Ive argued for some time that the developers and the POAs need to create an organized resale market for their product, but they dont listen to me either.

I get that you are upset that Wyndham tried to screw you, Good for you that you didnt let them. It upsets me too, but I dont think we can change their business practices
 

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Glad you saw through this scam. The resale market is always where you want to buy.

Consolidating deeds is not going to be any benefit, although consolidating ownership may have certain advantages in certain points programs (don't know about Wyndham). Merely consolidating deeds is rather simple and any lawyer could do it, although the resorts should be in the same county, or at least the same state. But as to ownership aspects seperate from the points functions, there is no real advantage in doing that.
 
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