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Question about Club Wyndham Access

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So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?

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Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer?
You cannot use resale points for Club Pass reservations of WorldMark inventory. Arguably, that is not a major downside, because Club Pass only opens a month or three after WorldMark owners can book, so the most in-demand things are gone anyway.

There is a loyalty program (VIP) that resale points cannot count towards. I think most would say that the cost to achieve the various loyalty tiers is not repaid by the benefits in those tiers.

Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?
Yes.
 

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So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?

Thanks,
Mike
IMHO there is no downside buying resale unless you want or need VIP status. The upside is the thousands of dollars you save buying resale. Is there a reason you are looking to buy ACCESS vs a lower cost maintenance fee deeded ownership?
 

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Doesn't count toward VIP perks but at pennies on the dollar, it is an easy choice to make resale OVER developer.
 

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Buy resale! The thousands of dollars you would save are more valuable than any VIP perks they offer, especially with the loss of unlimited Housekeeping credits as a VIP perk for new owners.

Also personally I would not buy CWA, I would buy a resale contract with low maintenance fees like Panama City or Bali Hai or Canterbury. You will save a lot of money over the long term with the lower maintenance fees than with CWA.
 

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You get ARP, Advance Reservation Priority, where you're deeded. Sometimes you may have a second resort, a reciprocal resort. Example: We have two deeds at National Harbor. One has Old Town Alexandria as a reciprocal resort and the other doesn't.

We own some Club Wyndham Access points because why not. However it's just a small amount. If you don't need the three and four bedroom units at the most popular resorts in prime high demand times you can usually find what you want at 10 months or less.

A few days ago I used this example to explain to someone how important maintenance fees are.

Bonnet Creek maintenance fees in 2017 were $5.63 per thousand points. $5.87 in 2018. $6.16 in 2019. $6.22 in 2020. $6.30 in 2021. The increases at Bonnet Creek aren't nearly as high as they were for CWA points. CWA points from 2017-2021 were $5.60, $5.76, $5.99, $6.28 and $6.61. Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 were $4.10 in 2012 and now nine years later are only $4.97.
If you bought directly from Wyndham the minimum program fee is $185 or $0.66 per thousand points if you have enough points to be over the minimum program fee. Resale is $165 or $0.64.

Your maintenance fees determine what a stay costs you. Say you wanted to book a 3 bedroom deluxe in a prime week in 2021 at Bonnet Creek which is 308,000 points. I'm going to use the resale program fee of $0.64 per thousand points. So if you owned at Bonnet Creek that reservation would cost you $2137.52 in maintenance fees. With CWA points it would cost $2233. With Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 it would cost $1727.88. If you owned at National Harbor that week in the 3 bedroom deluxe prime week at Bonnet Creek would cost you $1629.32.

Here's a link to the maintenance fee history spreadsheet. Go to the bottom of the spreadsheet and click on Master UDI. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RUiHuxPdShXWp3OM2PiXf1_WDzHiv3Ickz1_o5ssiv4/edit?usp=sharing
 

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Your maintenance fees determine what a stay costs you. Say you wanted to book a 3 bedroom deluxe in a prime week in 2021 at Bonnet Creek which is 308,000 points. I'm going to use the resale program fee of $0.64 per thousand points. So if you owned at Bonnet Creek that reservation would cost you $2137.52 in maintenance fees. With CWA points it would cost $2233. With Grand Desert buildings 1 and 2 it would cost $1727.88. If you owned at National Harbor that week in the 3 bedroom deluxe prime week at Bonnet Creek would cost you $1629.32.

Here's a link to the maintenance fee history spreadsheet. Go to the bottom of the spreadsheet and click on Master UDI. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RUiHuxPdShXWp3OM2PiXf1_WDzHiv3Ickz1_o5ssiv4/edit?usp=sharing
The average cost on a nightly basis for that week stay $232 per night with National Harbor or $319 a night owning CWA. The extra $90 per night to own CWA can be expensive if you travel 3-4 weeks a year. Also keep in mind the limited availability of CWA inventory at the 13 month APR.
 

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So, I'm thinking about purchasing points in Club Wyndham Access. Is there any downside from purchasing resale vs. developer? Do resale owners still get the early reservation window for access resorts?

Thanks,
Mike
I own 100% resale points. No way in hell would I EVER buy Access points. I don't use 13 month ARP since most rooms are still available 10 months out using deeded Select resale points. Maybeeeeeeeeeeee (big maybe) if my habits change and I need the ARP at 13 months, then I will consider adding the exact amount that I need. I highly doubt it though. My advice would be to just pick up a low maintenance fee deed resale and NOT Access points. The % increase year over year is higher in Access than most Select deeds, meaning Access MF grows exponentially FASTER than most deeded locations. Most of my deeds are at Grand Desert and I save $551.67 a year vs someone who owns the same number of Access points (497,000). I only paid a few hundred for my membership.

Take that extra $551 of savings NOT owning Access and throw it into and IRA account instead and watch it triple within a decade <3
 

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Thanks, all. The reason I thought CWA would be good is because I might want to get into a high demand place like Park City during ski season. Any thoughts?
 

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Thanks, all. The reason I thought CWA would be good is because I might want to get into a high demand place like Park City during ski season. Any thoughts?
I would try to find out how much if any inventory Access has at Park city. Like others have stated at 10 months availability is no problem . The additional cost of $90 per night to book other resorts owning Access can be costly.
 

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Thanks, all. The reason I thought CWA would be good is because I might want to get into a high demand place like Park City during ski season. Any thoughts?
It might be helpful to know more. Do you need a large unit (3 or 4BR)? Are you thinking of one specific holiday week (e.g. Christmas/New Years?) If those are true, then having ARP at this resort might be important. However, if you are good with a 2BR or smaller, and somewhat flexible about when you go during the season, then you may well not need ARP.

There are very few resorts that have entire seasons that are hard to book. The low-point resorts in Myrtle Beach in the summer are hard and might require ARP, but the more point-expensive resorts are often available. Wisconsin's Glacier Canyon can be tough to get on the weekends with the included water park, but the other Dells resort is much easier. Park City might be one of those because it is ski in/ski out. But, I doubt it. Right now, Christmas week has days missing, but Week 50 is wide open in 1BR and 2BR units, and those have been bookable for more than a week in the Standard period. Granted, Week 50 is generally a lower-demand week for travel, and it might not be smart to generalize from this year's booking patterns. But Week 50 is a good month into the ski season at Park City, and I suspect most people are imagining that by Winter 21-21 they will be vaccinated (or they aren't worried in the first place).

More commonly, resorts have specific weeks or unit sizes that are hard to get, but pretty easy otherwise. New Orleans resorts for Mardi Gras and Jazz Fest, Daytona during the 500 and Bike Week, etc. Bonnet Creek's larger units can be hard in busy seasons, but 2BRs are plentiful. And so on. I suspect Park City is probably more in this category---mostly because nearly everything else in the system is. As an example, I was able to get a 2BR at Old Town Alexandria for Easter, right at the beginning of Cherry Blossom season with a Standard reservation. I had to book that right when inventory opened, but rooms were available.

The next question is: how long are you going to be doing this as your primary use of Wyndham points? Is this a thing you want to do every year for the next ten years because it is already a family tradition? Or, are you thinking this might be nice but you will stay elsewhere too? One of the strengths of Wyndham is that there are many resorts in compelling locations, and if you plan to mix things up, ARP becomes less and less important.

Despite the fact that it is a bit higher than average, I don't think CWA is a bad thing to own---we here on TUG can sometimes get caught up in squeezing every last dime out of a stay. So, maybe you don't need the absolute rock-bottom fee ratio. But there might be plenty of other ways that are a little more affordable to accomplish what you are looking for.
 

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For the most part the access points are built with the trimmings of inventory, hence the higher maintenance fees. I would not expect that there would be a lot of prime inventory for peak weeks in the trust, I would assume there’s more inventory for peak times tied up in the select deeds.
 

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For the most part the access points are built with the trimmings of inventory, hence the higher maintenance fees. I would not expect that there would be a lot of prime inventory for peak weeks in the trust, I would assume there’s more inventory for peak times tied up in the select deeds.
Exactly why I posted to check if Park City had any inventory available to even book 13 ARP with Access.
 

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Exactly why I posted to check if Park City had any inventory available to even book 13 ARP with Access.
I see plenty of inventory to book at park city with access. I’m looking at March 25, 2022 checkin and I see everything from a 1 BR deluxe to a 4BR pres.
 
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