Proof of vaccination

[dougp26364]

We already have proof of negative test or proof of recovery in some situations for travel or to avoid quarantine. I’m wondering g how long it will be before we have a proof of vaccination rule?

 

[Luanne]

There is already talk of it by some airlines.

 

[VacayKat]

I'm sure it will happen - but its risky. Even if vaccinated, its no guarantee you are protected from catching the virus. -say a 100 people on a plane, 95% achieved immunity (if optimal immunity occurs in all those vaccinated) and 5% achieve little to no immunity. That means 5 people on that plane could be actively infected with the virus despite being vaccinated. The reason vaccinations work is not to keep a single person virus-free but to provide enough immune coverage that the virus doesn't spread and eventually stops being contracted. Even when I have opportunity to be vaccinated there is no way I will consider it my free pass, even if airlines or countries are foolish enough to promote it as such.

 

[DannyTS]

this should go to the Covid section

 

[davidvel]

I'm sure it will happen - but its risky. Even if vaccinated, its no guarantee you are protected from catching the virus. -say a 100 people on a plane, 95% achieved immunity (if optimal immunity occurs in all those vaccinated) and 5% achieve little to no immunity. That means 5 people on that plane could be actively infected with the virus despite being vaccinated. The reason vaccinations work is not to keep a single person virus-free but to provide enough immune coverage that the virus doesn't spread and eventually stops being contracted. Even when I have opportunity to be vaccinated there is no way I will consider it my free pass, even if airlines or countries are foolish enough to promote it as such.

Not sure on your math and statistical analysis. I don't think 100% of those that "could" be infected (your 5%), would be infected.

But if they were somehow, there would be noone else to infect anyway, so wouldn't matter.

 

[pedro47]

We already have proof of negative test or proof of recovery in some situations for travel or to avoid quarantine. I’m wondering g how long it will be before we have a proof of vaccination rule?

Did the physician give you something in writing as proof for a negative COVID - 19 Test ?

 

[Passepartout]

I think that some kind of 'proof of vaccination' is impractical. How would we know with any degree of confidence that the bearer actually has immunity? So far, we don't know how long vaccination remains active, or actually what strain of Covid they are immune from. I suspect it will be like flu shots- That is, it's up to the individual to be confident personally, that THEY are protected. They might get sick, but if we get a flu shot each year, we have at least, the confidence that we did what we could- supported by medical experts who, in their wisdom, created and chose the vaccine that would protect the most people. Sometimes they hit the target, sometimes they miss it.

Jim

 

[1Kflyerguy]

There has been talk of Vaccine Passport apps to provide proof of vaccination. Seems like some airlines and counties like the idea, but certainly not without problems.

 

[T_R_Oglodyte]

Tech giants are teaming up to build digital vaccine records

Health agencies have relied on paper vaccination certificates to fight epidemics for more than a century. But Microsoft, Salesforce and Oracle are now teaming up with the health care nonprofit the Mayo Clinic and other major health care companies to...

www.seattletimes.com

I love the part lower in the story where the professor from Duke is concerned about creating a situation where possession of a piece of paper would lead to a two-tiered society. Funny that she doesn't have the same concern about having a piece of paper from a recognized university (called a diploma) that leads to a two-tiered society where holders of that piece of paper have access to things such as jobs, that others don't have.

 

[VacayKat]

Not sure on your math and statistical analysis. I don't think 100% of those that "could" be infected (your 5%), would be infected.

But if they were somehow, there would be noone else to infect anyway, so wouldn't matter.

Didn't say 100% could develop the illness, but yes, all people who come into contact with the virus must be infected in order for the vaccine to protect from developing illness if they come into contact with it. The vaccine is not a magical force field keeping the virus from getting into you. So 5 people could be infected and ill and the other 95 could carry that virus to another 5% who aren't protected and so forth. People who say they are immune so they can come into contact with the virus and they won’t transmit it aren't aware that they can still carry it on their person and infect others. This of course implies that 95% efficacy rate under optimal conditions holds true for the general vaccination effectiveness.- it is very likely effectiveness in certain populations will be lower and fewer will thus be protected.

 

[dougp26364]

Keep in mind I’m NOT saying vaccination creates absolute immunity. I’m a health care worker. I know this.

What do you get when you mix science and politics? You get politics. This is about the practical political needs of tourism dependent destinations. From major spots like Hawaii to the minor stops like Dodge City, KS and everywhere in between.

That said, those destinations that are heavily dependent on tourism for their economy must mitigate risk with benefit. A vaccinated person will be less risk. As such I wonder how long it will be before a person carrying a valid vaccination card will be less encumbered by restrictions while traveling (ie quarentined).

I doubt a valid vaccination card will get anyone out of the mask mandates. Vaccination is not a 100% guarantee, but it will decrease the risk enough that I could see tourist destinations being more open to the vaccinated than the non-vaccinated up until the time we get close enough to herd immunity it’s a moot point.

 

[Old Hickory]

You know what? I was cleaning out some old "stuff" that I had kept from childhood and ran across my immunization scorecard. Measles, chickenpox, polio, etc. everything noted. I'm ready for the brown shirts to ask for my papers.

 

[geekette]

...all people who come into contact with the virus must be infected in order for the vaccine to protect from developing illness if they come into contact with it.

What?