Petition to get Hawaii open again. Please sign.

[R.J.C.]

You'll stay in the U.S.? Did Hawaii leave the Union?

Do I really have to type out Continental US (since most people have no idea what CONUS means) every single time for y'all to understand what is meant?

Of course, I would have no problem giving Hawaii to Japan and we can give them California as a bonus gift as well.

 

[SmithOp]

Do I really have to type out Continental US (since most people have no idea what CONUS means) every single time for y'all to understand what is meant?

Of course, I would have no problem giving Hawaii to Japan and we can give them California as a bonus gift as well.

No problem, we would love to break away, shades of The Man in the High Castle!

I just cruised PCH to check the beaches and saw several out of state plates, Wash, AZ and even NY, go home already!




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[CalGalTraveler]

Of course, I would have no problem giving Hawaii to Japan and we can give them California as a bonus gift as well.

Wow....

Hmm...Since California is the 5th largest economy in the world (bigger than the U.K. Canada or Russia), and a net tax contributor to the USA, perhaps becoming a nation on it's own with Hawaii would be a desirable option. We'll just stop subsidizing handouts to other states - and enjoy Hawaii ourselves!

 

[cman]

It would be suicidal for Hawaii to open today. It's about their healthcare capacity. They don't have enough. As of today, there are only 45 available ICU beds for the entire state of Hawaii, and less than 1000 available regular hospital beds. If 30K+ tourists per day descend on the Hawaiian Islands, they won't last a week. Governor Ige is doing the right thing by looking at the long game. If he opens too early, he won't get a second chance. Opening "now" would be reckless. I won't be signing this petition.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Wow....

Hmm...Since California is the 5th largest economy in the world (bigger than the U.K. Canada or Russia), and a net tax contributor to the USA, perhaps becoming a nation on it's own with Hawaii would be a desirable option. We'll just stop subsidizing handouts to other states.

I agree with you. You can put NY State in with California and Hawaii in your new country. We also pay way more in Federal Tax dollars than we get back.

Now getting back to subject of the thread; the 14 day quarantine in Hawaii. It is easy for those that are tourists to say that Hawaii should stop the 14 day quarantine and open up the state for people to come without restrictions and appropriate testing. They can then go back to their home state if things get really bad and the Health Care Capacity can't handle to load. It is not their home.

 

[echino]

It would be suicidal for Hawaii to open today. It's about their healthcare capacity. They don't have enough. As of today, there are only 45 available ICU beds for the entire state of Hawaii, and less than 1000 available regular hospital beds. If 30K+ tourists per day descend on the Hawaiian Islands, they won't last a week. Governor Ige is doing the right thing by looking at the long game. If he opens too early, he won't get a second chance. Opening "now" would be reckless. I won't be signing this petition.

I keep reading about empty ICU beds everywhere. Are these fake news?

 

[klpca]

My husband spent a night in the ICU in Waimea. He was in one of the four ICU beds there. The ER didn't have many more. There was one doctor in the ER the night we were there. This is the hospital that serves the entire Kohala area where the HGVC timeshares are located. The infrastructure just isn't there to deal with a large influx of covid patients.

 

[pedro47]

Getting back to the thread topics. How is the petition signing going in the state of Hawaii and the other forty nine (49) states and territories that make up the United States of America?

I did not sign this petition. First, I refused to sign because they were asking for money (not mandatory) and second they need to check their information and facts.IMO.
Less than 1000 individuals have signed this petition .
This topics was posted Wednesday on the TUG website.

 

[Tamaradarann]

Do I really have to type out Continental US (since most people have no idea what CONUS means) every single time for y'all to understand what is meant?

Of course, I would have no problem giving Hawaii to Japan and we can give them California as a bonus gift as well.

Your post that you are being corrected you on at 5:07 Thursday 4/30 stated US not CONUS. Therefore, your post was inaccurate since Hawaii is one of the 50 states of the US and people correcting you were correct by correcting you. To avoid confusion I would recommend that you type out Continental US like most people do so that your comments are not misunderstood and you don't appear ignorant of the history of the United States.

 

[CalGalTraveler]

I didn't sign because IMO this is up to the people in the state of Hawaii to decide if this is the right and safe thing to do. I prefer to respect their comfort level with their safety and infrastructure as their citizens work this with their state government, rather than a bunch of outsiders telling them what to do just because mainlanders don't want their vacation plans cancelled.

 

[jmhpsu93]

I think I mentioned in one of the other couple dozen COVID-related threads that this is ALL about the health care system being able to handle the sick patients. If the area in question can handle it (and many areas have totally empty hospitals), then have at it with a measured re-opening (as Florida is doing, despite all the misinformation out there). If you're like the NYC metropolitan area (for sure) and other larger densely-populated areas in the East Coast megapolis from Boston to DC, or an isolated location with limited excess health care capacity and no easy way to scale it up (like Hawaii), then a slower re-open is warranted.

 

[SandyPGravel]

It's easy for me because no one wants to visit Ohio.

Honestly, I really want to visit the Columbus Zoo, but I will continue to wait. I was amazed when I saw how many HOF are in Ohio. Cedar Point and King's island too. I think Ohio has it going on for tourism. I have a friend that goes to the Rock and Roll HOF almost yearly.

I think you're selling yourself short! But, I agree, it's not Hawaii.

 

[Kapolei]

Do I really have to type out Continental US (since most people have no idea what CONUS means) every single time for y'all to understand what is meant?

Of course, I would have no problem giving Hawaii to Japan and we can give them California as a bonus gift as well.

‘I have always wondered who this “we” is. Who is in your group?

 

[burg1121]

I hope we don't have to wait for this to travel again. I'm not going to hold my breath

www.abc.net.au › news › health › coronavirus-vaccine-...

 

[R.J.C.]

‘I have always wondered who this “we” is. Who is in your group?

Sorry but your security clearance isn't high enough to access that information.

 

[R.J.C.]

Your post that you are being corrected you on at 5:07 Thursday 4/30 stated US not CONUS. Therefore, your post was inaccurate since Hawaii is one of the 50 states of the US and people correcting you were correct by correcting you. To avoid confusion I would recommend that you type out Continental US like most people do so that your comments are not misunderstood and you don't appear ignorant of the history of the United States.

I am fully aware I didn't not use CONUS and if you had actually read and understood my second post you would have fully realized why I didn't use CONUS and why I won't use Continental US. To aid in your confusion and believed moral superiority on your part, from now on I will use the term CONUS and you can either learn what it means or stay confused, your choice.

What really gets me though is the fact that you knew exactly what was meant and yet you still had to write out your whiny post. As a history minor I am fully aware of the history of the US but I also realize when most talk about the US they are referring to CONUS 99.999% of the time. If you misunderstand my comments it really doesn't matter to me.

 

[cman]

As a history minor I am fully aware of the history of the US but I also realize when most talk about the US they are referring to CONUS 99.999% of the time.

I teach undergraduates. I'm proud to say that NONE of them would EVER talk about the US as only consisting of CONUS. Not sure where you get your 99.999% figure from. You might be living in a different reality than the rest of us.

 

[Fredflintstone]

It would be suicidal for Hawaii to open today. It's about their healthcare capacity. They don't have enough. As of today, there are only 45 available ICU beds for the entire state of Hawaii, and less than 1000 available regular hospital beds. If 30K+ tourists per day descend on the Hawaiian Islands, they won't last a week. Governor Ige is doing the right thing by looking at the long game. If he opens too early, he won't get a second chance. Opening "now" would be reckless. I won't be signing this petition.

I agree it is suicidal to open up Hawaii for precisely the reasons you outlined.

However, if we do the right thing and keep things contained, there is one big problem facing Hawaii.

State paid $204M in benefits in April as unemployment hit 35%

The state Department of Labor and Industrial Relations said Friday it has received 229,142 jobless claims since the closures and sudden halt in tourism started in March.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

35 percent unemployment. As Hawaii is a very expensive place to live, historical stats show the bulk of locales (excluding the 5 percent extreme wealthy) have little to no savings. Rent is due. Food bank lines are exploding. I truly don’t think they can do the right thing economically for the months needed to contain the virus.

For a proper, sustained containment, the FED is going to need to further wind up the presses and begin dumping aid way beyond what’s being given at the moment.

In short, delaying is correct but requires a connect of massive aid to the 35 percent unemployed to hang on. Otherwise, the masses there will get desperate.


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[CalGalTraveler]

FWIW...I just finished reading, How To Hide an Empire; History of the Greater United States.

A very eye opening book because we are taught in grade school that the USA consists primarily of the mainland "logo map" (plus sometimes Hawaii and AK hanging out at the edges.)

Most Americans don't realize that Puerto Ricans, and people of Guam, Saipan/Northern Marianas are U.S. citizens and that they are part of the USA because they are not included in the USA "logo map." Samoa is also a U.S. territory but they don't get citizenship rights at birth.

When USA was attacked in WWII, the Phillippines were a U.S. territory that was lost on Dec 7 along with Guam (which was later regained.) Few Americans knew or talked about those U.S. losses.

The book also discusses the US overseas bases and policies which kindled hatred that led to 9/11 and took so many Americans by surprise.

Recommended reading or audiobook.

How to Hide an Empire: A History of the Greater United States: Immerwahr, Daniel: 9780374172145: Amazon.com: Books

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[Tamaradarann]

Sorry but your security clearance isn't high enough to access that information.

We do know who you all are without a security clearance, particularly after your comment about having no problem giving Hawaii and California to Japan. Where did that come from?

Furthermore, I didn't know what you meant by the United States as opposed to Hawaii since Hawaii is part of the United States. My confusion was not caused by my Moral Superiority it was caused by my Historical and Mathematicaly Superiority. Since 1959 the 48 contiguous states of the United States were joined by 2 other states, Alaska and Hawaii, to add up to 50. Contrary to your thinking most people refer to the contiguous 48 states of the United States as the Continental United States or the Mainland not the United States when also speaking in a conversation with respect to Hawaii.

 

[stslc]

Now, what was this thread about again?

 

[LannyPC]

Now, what was this thread about again?

I clicked on the link to the petition and read some of the comments from people who are signing the petition. I thought they made some interesting points. I'm not saying they're valid, just interesting.

 

[Kapolei]

I clicked on the link to the petition and read some of the comments from people who are signing the petition. I thought they made some interesting points. I'm not saying they're valid, just interesting.

‘I find it interesting that there are people out there that think it is socially acceptable not to believe in the United States of America. Where did they get the idea that a lot of people think like them? Most people are not this obnoxious are they?

 

[pedro47]

Only 782 people have signed this petition as of this morning.

 

[DannyTS]

Only 782 people have signed this petition as of this morning.

If only 15% if the US population wanted to support the petition, that would be 45 million people. The fact that only 782 signed it is probably showing less who agrees with it and more that the Facebooks of the world decided not to promote petitions like this. We all know how their algorithms work.