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It wasn't really that they got fed up, they took advantage of a rule change by the Department of Transportation which stopped considering emotional support animals as service animals. So previously, the airlines didn't have a choice.
Thanks for clarification and education dioxide45. No wonder few know the difference between the two categories.
 

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Well. So much for policies. I walked out on my balcony this evening at Kauai's Marriott Waiohai and saw a man walk out on his balcony being trailed by a small dog (who seemed to have no particular function as a service animal would). Just reporting.
 

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Well. So much for policies. I walked out on my balcony this evening at Kauai's Marriott Waiohai and saw a man walk out on his balcony being trailed by a small dog (who seemed to have no particular function as a service animal would). Just reporting.
You can’t tell from looking at a dog on a balcony whether it has a service function, I have been trained for ADA at my job. There are so many types of service animals - psychiatric, epilepsy, diabetic, sleep apnea, in addition to obvious ones like seeing eye, mobility, etc. Many people are short sighted and assume if they can’t see the animal performing the function that it can’t be service. And many think only big dogs are service. Small dogs are used more often for epilepsy, psychiatric, etc. because they are easier to bring to work or travel with. Not saying there aren’t those that fake service dogs - just saying you can’t stereotype or make generalizations. That’s like saying if you can’t see a person’s handicap or disability that they don’t have one.
 

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With all due respect, my remarks are only intended for the Marriott timeshare resorts which we own, and the enforcement of their current policies.
Timeshare resort owners who have invested tens of thousands of dollars do not deserve premeditated ILLEGAL visits by other guests
who brought their pets or emotional support animals, both of which are prohibited NOW at Hilton Head Marriott resorts (and others).
I am not referring to service animals.
These people know they are using loopholes in violating the spirit and intent of the policies, and still they do not care.
It's the height of selfishness, period.

So please enjoy going where your pets are welcome, but not where they are legally prohibited.
When speaking of our timeshares, it's true real estate which my family owns, and they operate under certain laws already long established,
including the phraseology in the deeded documents that "pets are prohibited".
Therefore we do not want pets there, simple as that. We leave ours at home, as we are required to.
We don't care how clean you believe they are......do with them what you like........
we simply do not want them there while we and other owners are enjoying hard-earned vacations with their children.

And no, it's not dogs WALKING on the road near me that appalls me, it's what they do WHILE they are walking.
Sorry you missed that point.
They may be cleaner than other people as you suggest (your opinion), but I don't see people defecating on the roads
and paths, do you? And invariably it's seldom cleaned up....only by a few. Unfortunately we're witnesses to that fact.
Actually - on three vacations we have seen young children defecating in the pool. The pools were closed for 36 plus hours for the cleaning procedure and inspection - leaving the whole resort with just one pool. Wonder if Marriott charged the parents a cleaning fee for that? It certainly inconvenienced the guests.
 

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You can’t tell from looking at a dog on a balcony whether it has a service function, I have been trained for ADA at my job. There are so many types of service animals - psychiatric, epilepsy, diabetic, sleep apnea, in addition to obvious ones like seeing eye, mobility, etc. Many people are short sighted and assume if they can’t see the animal performing the function that it can’t be service. And many think only big dogs are service. Small dogs are used more often for epilepsy, psychiatric, etc. because they are easier to bring to work or travel with. Not saying there aren’t those that fake service dogs - just saying you can’t stereotype or make generalizations. That’s like saying if you can’t see a person’s handicap or disability that they don’t have one.
I totally agree. I have seen a ‘small’ service dog save a child from an instant diabetic attack. Many of these dogs are a godsend to many and cost the person 35,000+ to obtain.
 

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Actually - on three vacations we have seen young children defecating in the pool. The pools were closed for 36 plus hours for the cleaning procedure and inspection - leaving the whole resort with just one pool. Wonder if Marriott charged the parents a cleaning fee for that? It certainly inconvenienced the guests.

OMG. Really? Babies/toddlers versus ILLEGAL pets? Good luck with that argument.

Once again I'm NOT talking about service animals---- I'm trying to rid our resorts of ILLEGAL pets,
where the policy already stands that they are not allowed. If you want to go somewhere that allows all pets, that's wonderful.
There's a HUGE contingent of owners who do NOT want pets sharing the resort, especially the villas and immediate grounds where children are.
 

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Kids at the resort are an obligate component, pets are not, so the argument that the toddler does more damage is irrelevant and likely untrue anyway statistically. I'm sure we all know there are legitimate service animals and that you can't always tell which ones are but you can often reliably tell which ones are not for a subset of them. IMO it's become a case of the tail wagging the dog which is why I feel the time has come to require registration, documentation and the requirement to present same. Just ignoring the issue hoping it will go way is stupid, it's only getting worse and will continue to do so. So the resorts need to start asking the questions they can ask and requiring the animals to leave that meet the criteria to do so. They also need to be aggressive with signage, emails and other documentation including possibly something to sign at check in to sign that says no pets and the consequences just like they do with smoking.
 

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OMG. Really? Babies/toddlers versus ILLEGAL pets? Good luck with that argument.

Once again I'm NOT talking about service animals---- I'm trying to rid our resorts of ILLEGAL pets,
where the policy already stands that they are not allowed. If you want to go somewhere that allows all pets, that's wonderful.
There's a HUGE contingent of owners who do NOT want pets sharing the resort, especially the villas and immediate grounds where children are.
The only positive comments have been for for dogs that perform a medical assistance. And, personally, many feel like they can make that determination by, obviously, their own personal observation. I think this thread has gotten into dangerous territory.
 

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The only positive comments have been for for dogs that perform a medical assistance. And, personally, many feel like they can make that determination by, obviously, their own personal observation. I think this thread has gotten into dangerous territory.
Personal observation can be a powerful thing. Sometimes it identifies the problem. So who is the villain?
So, let's do what seems to be the inevitable solution-----get a process whereby legitimate service animals are documented
and illegal pets are not,
and resorts can verify the authentic ones at reservation time (when they are announced and registered) and again at check-in.
Then the cheating and abuse would actually STOP (oh my gosh, say it isn't so!).

When authorities are NOT ALLOWED to ask for or seek documentation, then abuse naturally follows.

I'm assuming you would be for that, ie, a universal system for actual documentation?
(But then, the selfish who wish to bring their pets wouldn't be able to slip in--- so you'd be against that?)

"Trust but verify".......quite a wise saying......

("So, sir, you've taken and passed a test, and you are qualified to drive a vehicle? May I see your Driver's License?"
sound familiar? It works.)
 
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Personal observation can be a powerful thing. Sometimes it identifies the problem. So who is the villain?
So, let's do what seems to be the inevitable solution-----get a process whereby legitimate service animals are documented
and illegal pets are not,
and resorts can verify the authentic ones at reservation time (when they are announced and registered) and again at check-in.
Then the cheating and abuse would actually STOP (oh my gosh, say it isn't so!).

When authorities are NOT ALLOWED to ask for or seek documentation, then abuse naturally follows.

I'm assuming you would be for that, ie, a universal system for actual documentation?
(But then, the selfish who wish to bring their pets wouldn't be able to slip in--- so you'd be against that?)

"Trust but verify".......quite a wise saying......

("So, sir, you've taken and passed a test, and you are qualified to drive a vehicle? May I see your Driver's License?"
sound familiar? It works.)
Your comments would be better written to your Congressperson to amend the American for Disability Act.
 
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Actually - on three vacations we have seen young children defecating in the pool. The pools were closed for 36 plus hours for the cleaning procedure and inspection - leaving the whole resort with just one pool. Wonder if Marriott charged the parents a cleaning fee for that? It certainly inconvenienced the guests.
That happens all the time at neighborhood pools. It's expected and just part of having a pool that includes babies and kids. Sure it is an inconvenience, but the poop doesn't stay for entire week like dogs/cats or whatever else is brought to the resort against the regulation. Let's have some common sense.
 

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It's expected?
What...kids defecating in a pool?
Regardless of what your views are on pets, kids should not be defecating in pools.
They should be in diapers....

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I have five cats, that I would love to have travel with me to Kauai etc.! But I pay my favorite pet sitter to care for them while I enjoy the warm sands of Hawaii!! I don't want pets in and out of the villas I stay out.

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Agree 100%. I have two cats that I love to have around me but they would absolutely hate travel. They are best left at home where they are most comfortable. I am always happy to see them when I go home.
 

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It's expected?
What...kids defecating in a pool?
Regardless of what your views are on pets, kids should not be defecating in pools.
They should be in diapers....
It happens all the time. I don't like it either, but accidents happen. I would say that it happens more often in neighborhood pools than at timeshares, but it happens at least 10-15 times each summer across our three community pools. Swimmer diapers aren't foolproof and with hundreds of people. Unfortunately it is expected to happen every year.
 
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Well. So much for policies. I walked out on my balcony this evening at Kauai's Marriott Waiohai and saw a man walk out on his balcony being trailed by a small dog (who seemed to have no particular function as a service animal would). Just reporting.
The organisation that supplied my service dog provides dogs of all sizes and breeds. One such dog is a very small cross breed and without her identification jacket on I suspect many people would not guess that she was a service dog.

When my dog travels with me she doesn't wear her jacket in the room just as she doesn't when at home, it's only worn when outside in public and when not exercising. If you were to pass my balcony and saw her she would most likely not be wearing her jacket and as such you'd have no way of establishing that she is a service dog.
 

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Jackets are not required for Service Animals. And unfortunately they are available on the Internet for anyone to buy.
 
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