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There’s a fellow I follow on YouTube who is retired and lives in Mexico. Today, he did a video on taking things in perspective with regards to covid 19. I think you will enjoy this especially if you are of retired age. Younger folks would certainly learn from this one.




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There’s a fellow I follow on YouTube who is retired and lives in Mexico. Today, he did a video on taking things in perspective with regards to covid 19. I think you will enjoy this especially if you are of retired age. Younger folks would certainly learn from this one.




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Both my parents went thru horrors and lost so much. For a moment mom complained about sip. I reminded her no bombs falling, you are not forced from your home, no one is being taken to a ghetto or concentration camp, you have food to eat, you survived typhus, etc. Now when she gets frustrated she says thank you for reminding me this is nothing in comparison to what I went through. Perspective
 

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I am mixed on this video on perspective. Some of us, like me, are sitting on our butts on our couch watching Netflix. But many others are essential workers going out and risking their lives, like our grocery workers, our Instacart workers, our Amazon workers, our doctors, my nephew who is a firefighter and my SIL who is a nurse. This video makes it seems like the Covid crisis is not a big deal. This is the biggest crisis in my lifetime of 55 years.
 

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I watch this guys videos from time to time.
 

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Hmmm. An interesting thought here:

I am mixed on this video on perspective. Some of us, like me, are sitting on our butts on our couch watching Netflix. But many others are essential workers going out and risking their lives, like our grocery workers, our Instacart workers, our Amazon workers, our doctors, my nephew who is a firefighter and my SIL who is a nurse. This video makes it seems like the Covid crisis is not a big deal. This is the biggest crisis in my lifetime of 55 years.

Are you sure about that observation?
What other events might you consider as crisis?
 

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Hmmm. An interesting thought here:



Are you sure about that observation?
What other events might you consider as crisis?

I can't think of a bigger crisis in my lifetime. What were you thinking that might be bigger in the past 55 years?
 

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Somehow he made me have very warm feelings about his mother even if he did not talk much about her, more about the world events. Some people make it to 100+ not only because of their good physical health but also because they are able to take anything life throws at them with a smile on their face. I wish I could be like that.

I am not sure I agree with the "all we are asked to is to stay home and watch Netflix" narrative. Some of the world events mentioned in the video that lead to great suffering and loss of life had the genesis on events that seemed to lack importance at the time yet they escalated to out of control situations. Most people do not worry about today but more about tomorrow. I hope when it is all done, we will all laugh and count the Netflix movies we have seen during the pandemic.
 

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.......I hope when it is all done, we will all laugh and count the Netflix movies we have seen during the pandemic.

to paraphrase Larry David -
“ this may be your one change , to stay home and watch TV all day - why would you want to mess that up “

a couple of people I talked to this week said - “ maybe it is good that going out and buying a new dress isn’t necessary, because there is no need : and no place to wear it . “

Their view was that we all have too much stuff .../. and the time they have spent with their family in their immediate household has more value .
 

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to paraphrase Larry David -
“ this may be your one change , to stay home and watch TV all day - why would you want to mess that up “

a couple of people I talked to this week said - “ maybe it is good that going out and buying a new dress isn’t necessary, because there is no need : and no place to wear it . “

Their view was that we all have too much stuff .../. and the time they have spent with their family in their immediate household has more value .

Although I agree with you that family is paramount, something can be said about having our own lives too. Going to work gives us a regular break from those we love. Sometimes, it’s too much of a good thing.

My good friend is an excellent divorce attorney who recently told me she has never seen the degree of divorce applications filed ever. Yes, it’s money stress but also people who do/did love each other now ready to kill each other because they are too together.

I was looking back 55 years and see the 9/11 as huge. It changed travel forever, It stroked the Patriot Act (IMO a major rights succession ACT) and other liberty limitations. The Vietnam War, Iraq War, Afghanistan Wars cost many young lives. I think the lives lost in Vietnam alone were in the millions.

Although I see this as a major event, I also see past generations too experiencing major events. Like them, this too shall pass and yes, we will experience something else as bad or worse again we will need to endure. So, in that sense, JC was bang on.


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Even though I am looking back 55 years, I was too young during the Vietnam War to consider that to be part of my lifetime. Since then, there have been no major wars. 9/11 was the first major shocking event in my life. But in terms of impact, it was more regional. It did not have a huge effect on my life or people on the West Coast. There was fear of flying and many changes to how terrorism is dealt with. The other big event in my lifetime was the 2008 financial crisis. But that seemed to have an uneven impact on people. We had a huge decline in our investments and our home value but it all bounced back and was even better within a few years. So maybe I have been lucky. I can't relate to most of what this video talks about regarding his mother's experience. To me, Covid is a major shock. To me, it is the biggest shock in the past 55 years.
 

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Even though I am looking back 55 years, I was too young during the Vietnam War to consider that to be part of my lifetime. Since then, there have been no major wars. 9/11 was the first major shocking event in my life. But in terms of impact, it was more regional. It did not have a huge effect on my life or people on the West Coast. There was fear of flying and many changes to how terrorism is dealt with. The other big event in my lifetime was the 2008 financial crisis. But that seemed to have an uneven impact on people. We had a huge decline in our investments and our home value but it all bounced back and was even better within a few years. So maybe I have been lucky. I can't relate to most of what this video talks about regarding his mother's experience. To me, Covid is a major shock. To me, it is the biggest shock in the past 55 years.

My question would be did your mother and/or father experience crisis in any part of their lives? If so, I assumed they persevered and ended up fine.


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My question would be did your mother and/or father experience crisis in any part of their lives? If so, I assumed they persevered and ended up fine.


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My mother was born in 1947 so she avoided the impact of WWII. My father was drafted to go to Vietnam but got out of it because he was married with children. The biggest impact on my father's life was Castro. He left Cuba at age 14, a few years before Castro but the rest of our family was still in Cuba. They all migrated to the USA after Castro. I would say Castro, the Cuban revolution and growing up in Miami was the biggest impact on my early life. The rest was what I already recounted. I spoke to my father today and he said Covid is shocking to him. He never imagined something like this happening in the USA. So I suspect he would also say Covid is a major crisis in his lifetime.
 

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As an aside, I used to volunteer at a Canadian version of a VA hospital in the 1990s. There was a World War I vet who I got to know well. I remember his stories. Here are some of them:

1. Went to war at 17. Was in the trenches. Got shot in the hip and buried himself under the dead bodies to keep alive.
2. Came home in 1918. His mom and sister died of Spanish Flu.
3. 1930’s. Unemployed and lived on the streets.
4. Went to WW2. He was assigned to operate a CAT to push the Concentration Camp bodies into pits.
5. 1950s. Good life, good job.
6. 1960s. Wife dies of Cancer. He went into severe depression.
7. 1970s. Times were ok
8. 1980s. Wheelchair bound due to WWI hip shot.

You know, he said in the end he always had a smile on his face.

I would say, in his case, Covid is just another crisis and it would still result in a smile on his face...bless his heart.

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Our experiences as well of those we know of our parents and grandparents can make each of us view the crisis of this virus differently.

The stories of my parents suffering were part of my upbringing thus where this virus and the impact is huge I realize in comparison it is pale.
 

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Wow, he spread 30 seconds of content over 7 minutes.
“Perspective” is easy for him to say as he fled the U.S. to Mexico to live out his retirement with probably ample pension and social security.
Healthcare workers and essential service workers don’t have the luxury of “sitting on their couch watching Netflix”. But for many lucky people, like me, we should happily do our part and shelter and social distance like the experts (CDC) recommends

The “perspective” I got from this is thank God we have the science, technology and worldwide information to prevent Covid from becoming the Spanish flu with 50+ million deaths. And grateful that we have enough world unity so that we haven’t had a world war with mass casualties in 60+ years.
So grateful that society is constantly progressing and learning so that, although not perfect, we handle each crisis better and with more knowledge.
 

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The “perspective” I got from this is thank God we have the science, technology and worldwide information to prevent Covid from becoming the Spanish flu with 50+ million deaths. And grateful that we have enough world unity so that we haven’t had a world war with mass casualties in 60+ years.
So grateful that society is constantly progressing and learning so that, although not perfect, we handle each crisis better and with more knowledge.

I agree. This was my main takeaway too. I am grateful I have lived in relatively peaceful times.
 

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I can't think of a bigger crisis in my lifetime. What were you thinking that might be bigger in the past 55 years?
@TravelTime - Sorry for the delay in responding!

Since posting that question, here are some of the thoughts and recollections that went through my mind (these are NOT in any particular order):
  • The first significant crisis I remember was the Iran Hostage Crisis on the heels of gas shortages. I was old enough to get a sense of what this meant in the larger sense (more so than Watergate as I was too young to remember that in any detail). I don't want to go too much into my feelings on this lest someone come after I post this and think it to be too political but I will say this event occurred just as I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do with my life and President Carter's actions / decisions influenced me to an extent where I dismissed the military as an option.
  • I recall Black Monday as the first crisis that really game me pause on what the future would hold because even though it wasn't a large amount, I recall watching my 401K account lose a LOT of value then. That was the first financial crisis I can recall and likely because it hit me personally.
  • 9/11 - and what happened because of 9/11 was probably the most significant crisis to me. Again, a lot of money lost in the financial markets but also a lot of jobs lost here too. I was in the technology sector and was a high performer but that did not save my job. The fact it was hard to feel safe in a sea of people who had immigrated to this country AND the loss of retirement funds AND the layoffs that ensued after (and because of) 9/11 put this event at the top of my list as the most significant crisis.
  • The Oklahoma City bombing was really the first crisis that made me feel less than safe because it did happen somewhere one wouldn't expect.
  • The 2008 financial crisis - but having been through 2 of those previously, the impact was not as much as the other two financial crisis I remember.
For some reason, I just can't place COVID 19 in the same category as the items I mentioned above BUT I think it is fair to say COVID 19 is a different type of crisis than the above I listed. There is a sense of proximate randomness with COVID 19 the other crisis cannot match because COVID 19 is playing out over a longer time frame (and I think that desensitizes us to an extent). That is NOT meant to suggest COVID 19 is not serious (clearly, it is) but unlike all the above events EXCEPT Iran Hostage, we have become 'used' to its presence in a sense.

I wanted to add this thought too because it extends a point I was trying to make above: @needvaca said (in part):
....The “perspective” I got from this is thank God we have the science, technology and worldwide information to prevent Covid from becoming the Spanish flu with 50+ million deaths. And grateful that we have enough world unity so that we haven’t had a world war with mass casualties in 60+ years.
So grateful that society is constantly progressing and learning so that, although not perfect, we handle each crisis better and with more knowledge.

I have to wonder if the opposite isn't true given the state of social media these days. The cacophony that accompanies every single news story these days seems to be creating an environment where learning and the exchange of ideas in order to build a better solution cannot exist because the "Instant Press" has to immediately determine a winner and a loser in every story.
Our opportunities to build, to think, to assess, to critique, to revise for the purpose of building that better mousetrap (so to speak) are being drowned out.
I don't see this as a positive.

I wonder if the last sentence of Needvaca's point - are we really progressing and learning? But even more importantly, are we advancing our 'knowledge' or are we advancing what one side (or the other) perceives as knowledge?
 
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