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Partisanship Isn’t The Only Reason Why So Many Americans Remain Unvaccinated

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From fivethirtyeight.com (that refuge of troglodytes who dared to suggest that Hillary Clinton's ascension to the presidency might be doubtful):

 

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From fivethirtyeight.com (that refuge of troglodytes who dared to suggest that Hillary Clinton's ascension to the presidency might be doubtful):


I read on here that the unvaxxed are stupid people who should not be allowed to use the same facilities and services as the smart people (vaxxed).
 

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I read on here that the unvaxxed are stupid people who should not be allowed to use the same facilities and services as the smart people (vaxxed).
Did you see the part of the article that talked about education?
 

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I read where 50% of Americans have below average IQ's :(

That's only true because they normalize IQ scores to a Gaussian distribution. Raw intelligence is more like a log normal distribution, which means that more than 50% of the people have below the mean intelligence.
 

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Did you see the part of the article that talked about education?
Let's not leave out the young, the poor, people of color and Hispanic Americans.
 

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Let's not leave out the young, the poor, people of color and Hispanic Americans.
Interesting that you pick my comment to reply to and not the one I replied to that seemed to leave those out also. ;)
 

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Here is an article from today's NYTimes that says pretty much the same as the one linked in the OP...


(Sorry, WV, I'm betting that the article is behind a firewall, but thought that an article from a different source would help avoid people rejecting the OP's post.)
 

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"Unvaccinated Americans tend to be younger, less well-educated and poorer"

I am wondering how the other two variables looked if you excluded all the young people who also tend to be poorer and (for now) less educated.
 

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(Sorry, WV, I'm betting that the article is behind a firewall, but thought that an article from a different source would help avoid people rejecting the OP's post.)

There are those who reject ANYTHING from ANY source that contradicts their opinion. I have liberally applied the ignore button on that type of people.

Cheers
 

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"Unvaccinated Americans tend to be younger, less well-educated and poorer"

I am wondering how the other two variables looked if you excluded all the young people who also tend to be poorer and (for now) less educated.

Are young people less educated? I would suspect that the prevalence of post secondary education is going up. Maybe the very youngest adult demographic ~18-24 or so have less degrees because they aren't done yet.

But I'd expect 25-35 has more education that 35-45 which has more than 45-55 etc. Whether those extra degrees are adding value is a separate conversation...
 

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There are those who reject ANYTHING from ANY source that contradicts their opinion. I have liberally applied the ignore button on that type of people.

Cheers
Keep in mind that's it's not simply a matter of rejecting, "ANYTHING from ANY source". It's a matter of, if you quote a source or any information from a source,
provide a source that doesn't require becoming a paid user. I would prefer not giving my personal information to any site in order to just read one article. It's not
the cost, it's the principal. Also, as far as the "ignore button", it's your prerogative so do so. As for me, I always avoid doing that but, that's just me. I'm not going
to run away, close my eyes and choose not see what anyone says. In fact, I want to see what you have to say, not hide from it.
 

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Keep in mind that's it's not simply a matter of rejecting, "ANYTHING from ANY source". It's a matter of, if you quote a source or any information from a source,
provide a source that doesn't require becoming a paid user. I would prefer not giving my personal information to any site in order to just read one article. It's not
the cost, it's the principal. Also, as far as the "ignore button", it's your prerogative so do so. As for me, I always avoid doing that but, that's just me. I'm not going
to run away, close my eyes and choose not see what anyone says. In fact, I want to see what you have to say, not hide from it.
With you on the principle. I get it, they need paid readers, but I’m selective on that. attributing source is always good, as sometimes Mr Google will find free content covering same whatever.

ignore button, for a long while I did not use it. But if I find myself too irked w little value, I use it. Life is too short. I also like different perspectives as we are all individuals. I think it would do the world good to understand the differences between reporting and journalism. Sometimes the slant is the point. Other times, it should be factual, checked repeatedly before go live. The lines get murky as it used to be news talking heads were to be unquestionably objective. Now there are a zillion shows and sites that can be thought of as news but the viewer needs to understand is this reporting or interpretation of facts. And are those actually facts?

my grandmother told me to read everything I could get my hands on. Partly to fill my head w useful bits helpful later in life (I could recognize stuff in cereal before I could pronounce it or know what it was; niacin one example). The other idea was to collect enough info to form my own understanding and parse out fact from crap. lots of noise/choices out there. It is up to each person to assess the level of credibility and I won’t throw baby out w bath water. “source” is generally a hierarchy, from ground level of person constructing story to the masthead over it.
 

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I was a wait and see person on vax. By the time I was eligible, I was satisfied with the see part. Sure, I could be doomed to weird long term effects of vax but I will take that risk over the small pool of info on long term COVID effects. In a decade or so it will all seem obvious, but right now I can understand waiting to see what happens to vaxxed people.
 

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Keep in mind that's it's not simply a matter of rejecting, "ANYTHING from ANY source". It's a matter of, if you quote a source or any information from a source,
provide a source that doesn't require becoming a paid user. I would prefer not giving my personal information to any site in order to just read one article. It's not
the cost, it's the principal. Also, as far as the "ignore button", it's your prerogative so do so. As for me, I always avoid doing that but, that's just me. I'm not going
to run away, close my eyes and choose not see what anyone says. In fact, I want to see what you have to say, not hide from it.

The reason I use the ignore button is that numerous times I’ve provided information from what I consider reputable open non paywalled sources such as the CDC, FDA, Mayo Clinic, Harvard School of Medicine and others to persons to counter some absurd claim. These are met with deflection, an obscure study non-peer reviewed, some statement on Facebook or a YouTube Clip from somebody in a white coat, simply ignored or otherwise apparent disbelief. After several such episodes with a person, I chose to use tthe ignore function to block their comments since any response to counter wild and unsubstantiated statements would be fruitless and thus certainly repeat this process. They are free to continue to respond to others.

I’m not “hiding” from anything. If a person has a logical position backed by rational thought processes and sound evidence, I’m more than willing to further discuss with them. If they don’t and repeatedly demonstrated it, why waste my time?

Cheers
 
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You don't want someone who can't tell the difference between having a different opinion and dismissing your opinion.
 

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Are young people less educated? I would suspect that the prevalence of post secondary education is going up. Maybe the very youngest adult demographic ~18-24 or so have less degrees because they aren't done yet.

But I'd expect 25-35 has more education that 35-45 which has more than 45-55 etc. Whether those extra degrees are adding value is a separate conversation...
For the money part it is pretty clear I think, the younger the less affluent generally. Concerning the education, you are right, I am sure though the 18-24 YO represent an important percentage of unvaccinated people. Many of them not only think they are at a lower risk because of age, they have also worked essential jobs that older people avoided in the last 18 months, many already had Covid so they are less concerned than others. However I have not found data just about the vaccination of the 18-24 yo to back my theory.
 

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Daniel Patrick Moynihan

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."
– Column in January 18, 1983 The Washington Post. Based on an earlier quote by James R. Schlesinger.

Cheers
 

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Do you remember Rosa Parks?
I missed her in the article. But if you would like to discuss the role of systemic racism on vaccine hesitation.....have at it.
 

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I was a wait and see person on vax. By the time I was eligible, I was satisfied with the see part. Sure, I could be doomed to weird long term effects of vax but I will take that risk over the small pool of info on long term COVID effects. In a decade or so it will all seem obvious, but right now I can understand waiting to see what happens to vaxxed people.

The long term effects can‘t be worse than women who fill themselves with hormones to have babies.
 

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I missed her in the article. But if you would like to discuss the role of systemic racism on vaccine hesitation.....have at it.

What is the role of systemic racism on vaccine hesitation?
 

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What is the role of systemic racism on vaccine hesitation?
I am not sure it can be discussed here but research Tuskegee Airmen experiments and how race affects your health care treatment.
 

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I am not sure it can be discussed here but research Tuskegee Airmen experiments and how race affects your health care treatment.

Yes, now that you mention it, I have read a little about how race affects health care treatment. I was not connecting that with vaccine hesitancy. It’s a good point and we should have some compassion for people of color who are hesitant to get the vaccine.
 

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We should have compassion on everyone.
 
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