One of the biggest myths about EVs is busted in new study

[DrQ]

One of the biggest myths about EVs is busted in new study

New report calls for a global phaseout of gas-guzzling cars.

www.theverge.com

 

[VegasBella]

From the article:
"A new study lays to rest the tired argument that electric vehicles aren’t much cleaner than internal combustion vehicles. Over the life cycle of an EV — from digging up the materials needed to build it to eventually laying the car to rest — it will release fewer greenhouse gas emissions than a gas-powered car, the research found. That holds true globally, whether an EV plugs into a grid in Europe with a larger share of renewables, or a grid in India that still relies heavily on coal. "

Well I love my EV. We still have an ICE car but when we get rid of it the plan is to switch to an EV.

 

[DrQ]

Well I love my EV. We still have an ICE car but when we get rid of it the plan is to switch to an EV.

What'cha got? I have a Chevy Bolt EV and am looking at a Hybrid to replace our ICE.

 

[davidvel]

I was trying to figure out what cars they compared EV to, couldn't find it. Also, it seemed they accounted for future battery and other improvements in EVs over 20 years, but not gas vehicles. Glad we're moving to EVs though, as technology is catching up.

 

[Passepartout]

What'cha got? I have a Chevy Bolt EV and am looking at a Hybrid to replace our ICE.

DW is driving a Honda Clarity PHEV. My Tundra will go away when my Ford F-150 Lightning arrives.

 

[MrockStar]

Glad your at least replacing it with an American built truck. Thanks for supporting Detroit/Ford.

 

[DrQ]

Glad your at least replacing it with an American built truck. Thanks for supporting Detroit/Ford.

Assembled in USA from foreign components. Sorry to say, we already GAVE all the rare earth magnet technology (developed by GM) to China.

 

[MrockStar]

Bummer.

 

[Passepartout]

Glad your at least replacing it with an American built truck. Thanks for supporting Detroit/Ford.

Toyota Tundra is the MOST American big pickup. Built in San Antonio TX from (more) U.S. built components than the 'big three. But yes, I'm looking forward to the Dearborn product.

 

[kanerf]

Of course they don't take into account the coal-fired electric plants in China and elsewhere used to generate the power to charge these vehicles.

 

[davidvel]

Of course they don't take into account the coal-fired electric plants in China and elsewhere used to generate the power to charge these vehicles.

Actually they did. They broke it down by various regions based upon how "dirty" the electricity generation is.

 

[DrQ]

Of course they don't take into account the coal-fired electric plants in China and elsewhere used to generate the power to charge these vehicles.

Forgotten oil and gas wells linger, leaking toxic chemicals

There are about 2 million abandoned oil and gas wells nationwide that haven't been properly plugged with cement.

apnews.com

 

[kanerf]

Did you see the part about keeping the car on the road for 18 years? Not very likely in the US or other large economies.

 

[DrQ]

Did you see the part about keeping the car on the road for 18 years? Not very likely in the US or other large economies.

Just because YOU get tired of a car, doesn't mean it gets scrapped. Hello ... used car market?

 

[kanerf]

Just because YOU get tired of a car, doesn't mean it gets scrapped.

Visit any junk yards lately? The tech advances over 18 years would generally rule out people keeping cars that long. These will only increase in the future.

 

[DrQ]

Visit any junk yards lately? The tech advances over 18 years would generally rule out people keeping cars that long. These will only increase in the future.

Late model cars in junk yards are usually from accidents.

 

[kanerf]

BTW, I do have some skin in the game. I drive a Kia Niro Plugin Hybrid. I live to far away from a city center for a pure EV.

 

[MrockStar]

At least WV still has a market to export its 100 year supply of coal to China.

 

[DrQ]

BTW, I do have some skin in the game. I drive a Kia Niro Plugin Hybrid. I live to far away from a city center for a pure EV.

Pure EV is not going to have a ruined engine from not changing the engine oil, cracked head from not changing the coolant and corroding the radiator.

 

[davidvel]

Did you see the part about keeping the car on the road for 18 years? Not very likely in the US or other large economies.

I actually think most cars are on the road longer than 18 years on average, but haven't looked at stats. Certainly a lot of 2000 cars still driving around.

18 is an odd number and was obviously not pulled out of thin air. My guess is they picked 18 because that's the outside usable life of batteries in EVs, and was the "sweet spot" for their study. If you used 20 years for example, the whole clock would be reset, new batteries, and gas cars would win or be close. 10-15 and the same benefits would be diminished.

 

[kanerf]

I actually think most cars are on the road longer than 18 years on average, but haven't looked at stats. Certainly a lot of 2000 cars still driving around.

18 is an odd number and was obviously not pulled out of thin air. My guess is they picked 18 because that's the outside usable life of batteries in EVs, and was the "sweet spot" for their study. If you used 20 years for example, the whole clock would be reset, new batteries, and gas cars would win or be close. 10-15 and the same benefits would be diminished.

The average is actually 11 years according to DOT.

How Many Miles Does a Car Last?

How many miles does a car last? Well, cars these days are made to last much longer than those produced even a few decades ago. This is because car parts are now constructed to withstand more wear than in the past.

www.caranddriver.com

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[DrQ]

The average is actually 11 years according to DOT.

How Many Miles Does a Car Last?

How many miles does a car last? Well, cars these days are made to last much longer than those produced even a few decades ago. This is because car parts are now constructed to withstand more wear than in the past.

www.caranddriver.com

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Read deeper into your own article:

Standard cars in this day and age are expected to keep running up to 200,000 miles, while cars with electric engines are expected to last for up to 300,000 miles.

EV's are less than 10% of the vehicles. So expanding their useful life to 18 years is not unreasonable.

 

[kanerf]

It is not a matter of will the vehicles last, but if people will want to drive such outmoded cars when newer and more capable models are available. Right now EVs on average provide about 200 miles of driving before recharging. Newer models will improve on this. Why would you want to keep your 200 mile vehicle when 400 and 500 mile vehicles are available that also charge faster than the one that you have?

 

[DrQ]

It is not a matter of will the vehicles last, but if people will want to drive such outmoded cars when newer and more capable models are available. Right now EVs on average provide about 200 miles of driving before recharging. Newer models will improve on this. Why would you want to keep your 200 mile vehicle when 400 and 500 mile vehicles are available that also charge faster than the one that you have?

Apparently you haven't seen the warmed over dog vomit that is on "Tote the Note" lots. Methinks your affluence is showing. Some people are thankful just to drive 30-40 miles a day to get to work and back and get groceries.

 

[AJCts411]

Heard an interesting conversation on the radio. One that raises questions about this "study". Why was this aspect was not in the study? The corn growers associsation claim is that the corn they plant removes carbon from the air (know to be true), they now produce more corn per acre with the same input, and the ethanol produced from corn used as a fuel reduces emmissions, and that this gives them a better/comparable carbon foot print than electric vehicles.