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OFFICIAL Vistana *2020* Maintenance Fees Thread

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Has anyone received a mailer or a flyer detailing the 2020 MF for WKORV/N ? (Or WKORV?)

I just got an invitation to the annual board meeting in Dec 2019, but I don't think I saw anything about the fees..
 

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Has anyone received a mailer or a flyer detailing the 2020 MF for WKORV/N ? (Or WKORV?)

I just got an invitation to the annual board meeting in Dec 2019, but I don't think I saw anything about the fees..
Nothing yet. Last year's statement was dated Oct 22 but nothing so far this year.
 

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Received email this morning with link to 2020 maintenance fee.
SDO EOY Gold Plus
$615.18

vs. last year $592.84
 

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Received email this morning with link to 2020 maintenance fee.
SDO EOY Gold Plus
$615.18

vs. last year $592.84
The $615.18 includes the $5 "donation" to ARDA.
 

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There is a proposed (not approved yet) budget for Harborside Resort at Atlantis that includes a 4% fee increase.
 

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Finally, a MF invoice!

WLR - 5.8% increase over last year (half of which is described as Insurance - Amount reflects significant Property & Terrorism insurance premium renewal increase)

Due Jan 7th

2BR L/O - $1236.56 operating assessment + $254.00 replacement reserves = $1490.56 vs $1408.49 last year
1BR Prem - $776.89 operating assessment + $159.58 replacement reserves = $936.47 vs $884.91 last year
1BR Studio - $459.67 operating assessment + $94.42 replacement reserves = $554.09 vs $523.58 last year
 
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Has anyone received a bill for their 2020 maintenance fees for WKORV or WKORVN? I noticed that last couple of years that those bills came in the middle of October. What could be the reason for not receiving these as of yet?
 

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Has anyone received a bill for their 2020 maintenance fees for WKORV or WKORVN? I noticed that last couple of years that those bills came in the middle of October. What could be the reason for not receiving these as of yet?
Nothing yet. WKORV, WKORVN and Nanea (2017/2018 only) are now 5-6 weeks later than 2016, 2017 or 2018.
 
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Has anyone received a bill for their 2020 maintenance fees for WKORV or WKORVN? I noticed that last couple of years that those bills came in the middle of October. What could be the reason for not receiving these as of yet?
According to http://www.korvote.com/, the meeting will be on December 12 and 13. I believe budget / maintenance fees will be voted at that meeting, so expect a bill after that.
 

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According to http://www.korvote.com/, the meeting will be on December 12 and 13. I believe budget / maintenance fees will be voted at that meeting, so expect a bill after that.
Never mind, the WKORV 2020 maintenance fees just appeared in my Vistana account. I don't know why it appeared before the meeting.

The Westin Ka`anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Two bedroom lockoff

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,983.57
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 161.46
Other* $ 0.00
Total Due $ 2,145.03

It's the first year I own there, so I cannot compare to the prior year fees, but it appears LOW!
 

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Never mind, the WKORV 2020 maintenance fees just appeared in my Vistana account. I don't know why it appeared before the meeting.

The Westin Ka`anapali Ocean Resort Villas

Two bedroom lockoff

Maintenance Fee(s) $ 1,983.57
Tax - If Applicable $ 0.00
Membership Fee - If Applicable $ 161.46
Other* $ 0.00
Total Due $ 2,145.03

It's the first year I own there, so I cannot compare to the prior year fees, but it appears LOW!
That's what it says on the Vistana Dashboard, but we know it's wrong. $1,984 vs. $2,374 in 2019? Not likely.

Perhaps the master association fees (Ka'anapali Beach associations) are missing? idk, but I wouldn't count on the $1,984 number holding up.

(I suppose a Big Win in the property tax litigation with the County of Maui coupled with a large tax refund to the HOA could do this, but we would know about that if it had happened.)
 

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For WKORV OFD it states $2733.26 for 2020, with 2019 at $3271.34 (MF only).
A decrease of $538.08 (16.4%)

a happy thought is that we are getting a refund for the Property Tax lawsuit - AND that happy thought is true (there is a Santa!)
 
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WPORV EOY 2020 MF = $1573.28
(Due: Jan2, 2020)

2019 => $1528.88
(2.9% increase)
 
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I confirmed it is correct. Tax settlement.
WOW!!!
btw - I predicted this way back when...
Hopefully, my prediction of the BS USVI $25/nite ‘Environmental Fee’ will have same outcome.

how did you confirm this?
ADDED: the explanation is on Vistana WKORV HOA site - 2020 MF Statements.
Average $477.08 “refund of tax settlement reached with county of Maui”

The settlement was 10.7 MILLION (dated Oct15, 2019 - why no prior notice? Did we really missed this news?)
 
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I am $TUNNED! I never thought Vistana would give the money back - I bet they had no choice!
 

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wkorv eoye premium ocean view 1028.28 including the 161.46 membership fee. Not too bad, considering....
 

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For WKORV OFD it states $2733.26 for 2020, with 2019 at $3271.34 (MF only).
A decrease of $538.08 (16.4%)

a happy thought is that we are getting a refund for the Property Tax lawsuit - AND that happy thought is true (there is a Santa!)
So... given the refund for the Property Tax Settlement for WKORV/N - what is the % change in MFs for WKORV in 2020? (Increase of 3.0%)

$2733.26 + $635.71 = $3368.97 (2020 MF for WKORV Deluxe)
With 2019 at $3271.34 this is an increase of 2.98%
 

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So... given the refund for the Property Tax Settlement for WKORV/N - what is the % change in MFs for WKORV in 2020? (Increase of 3.0%)

$2733.26 + $635.71 = $3368.97 (2020 MF for WKORV Deluxe)
With 2019 at $3271.34 this is an increase of 2.98%
Who were the Tuggers that speculated that WKORV/N would have a 6.5-7% increase in 2020 similar to the increase in Westin Flex?
You were incorrect...
(too bad no one took me up on my wager...)

(Starting here...)
https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/official-vistana-2019-maintenance-fees-thread.280673/page-4#post-2331276
 
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Who were the Tuggers that speculated that WKORV/N would have a 6.5-7% increase in 2020 similar to the increase in Westin Flex?
You were incorrect...
(too bad no one took me up on my wager...)

(Starting here...)
https://tugbbs.com/forums/index.php?threads/official-vistana-2019-maintenance-fees-thread.280673/page-4#post-2331276
I think those statements were made before it was determined that there was a guaranty or supplement of the Flex MFs in place. The increase in Flex MFs had to come from somewhere and the speculation of where was based on actual statements made by Marriott employees (on the record). It would be interesting to know where the increases were for WKORVN. I don't have MF statements for SVV yet to do any comparison yet.
 

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WESTIN KA'ANAPALI OCEAN RESORT VILLAS NORTH - 2-BEDROOM LOCKOFF ANNUAL
This is from an invoice dated November 15, 2019 and due January 2, 2020.


2020
VOI assessment - $2,439.24 (Includes credit of $289.69 for Maui County tax settlement)

2019
VOI assessment - $2,640.90

DECREASE - 7.6%

Pro forma INCREASE (excluding Maui County tax settlement and refund of assessment) - 3.3%


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WESTIN FLEX
This is from an invoice dated August 26, 2019 and due September 27, 2019. Unfortunately, Westin Flex and Sheraton Flex MFs are sent out early and due earlier than the normal weeks-based MFs.


2020
257,700 options
VOI assessment - $5,210.69 (calculated MF/option = $0.02022)

2019
257,700 options
VOI assessment - $4,878.26 (calculated MF/option = $0.01893)

INCREASE - 6.8%

Thank you soooo much for this!!!

I just upgraded yesterday to the Sheraton Flex plan because the salesperson convinced me that if I stayed with my StarOptions plan (pre-Flex) not only would it be more difficult to secure a week I wanted in the near future, but the annual increase on the week based timeshares has been and would continue increasing 6-8% per year because as owners move over to Flex there is a smaller pool of owners with whom to split the maintenance fees. He then said the Flex fees had not gone up more than .25% annually since it first started in 2015.

Your letter proves otherwise - a 6.8% increase from last year to this!! I was thinking about cancelling and I probably will now. That is a blatant lie on his part (or at least a truth he managed to twist!).

Are you happy with your Flex plan? Of course, I think it showed somewhere that you own Hawaii (though how can that be if you have Flex (?) since I presume you needed to give up your "fixed" week with StarOptions).

He also told me that in January 2020, Westin and Sheraton would be connected to Mariott, Hilton and Ritz so that all their resorts could be used with the Star Options without paying an exchange fee (there was some exception or something different about Ritz but I would never stay there so it doesn't really matter to me). Were you informed of that?

I would really appreciate a reply to help me make a final decision before I leave the resort in a couple days.

Thanks!

Sher
He also said that was why it would be so difficult to get a desired week or weeks even at the resorts in the Sheraton and Westin resorts because the network will then have MANY more people in it.
 
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