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New York Resale questions

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We purchased some resale points (2 bed platinum at Paradise) a few years back, and have used them for Florida, Hawaii and New York. I'm now trying to convince the husband to purchase more - I couldn't care less about Max and thanks to the new "restrictions" combined with the pandemic, I feel like its prime time to buy another resale deed.

Since NYC is one of our favourite places to travel, I'm leaning towards purchasing there. I worry that with the HGV Max window being basically the same as the club window for NYC resorts, it may make it more difficult in the future to get in when we want to, so it may make sense to buy there to get some of the "perks", despite the higher maintenance fees per point.

As I understand it, you have a home week advantage and then a home resort advantage before the club/max window opens, you also have access to the owners lounge. I know that you can't use your non-NYC points at the NYC resorts before the club window opens, but can you use them to tack a day or two onto an existing reservation once the window opens? (IE: if I book Friday-Monday during the home resort window and then try to extend my reservation to Wednesday after the club window opens, can I use my non-nyc points?)

The best deals seem to be had at West 57th and the Hilton Club. We have stayed at both in the past and much prefer the location of West 57th. For the Hilton club, maintenance fees seem to be much higher, and from what I've read, it appears that the deeds expire in 2032?? Is that the case for all Hilton Club deeds? or just certain ones? Are there any other major differences between West 57th and Hilton Club? (I know HC is the only one with 2 bedrooms but we don't need room for that many people). Any other "perks" or drawbacks of owning in NY that I'm missing?

Because of the location, I'm leaning towards West 57th, but I have seen some Hilton Club points go for pretty cheap recently on Ebay, so I want to understand if thats an angle I should be looking at.

Thanks in advance for any info you can give me!!
 

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We love W57. Unlike other Clubpoints properties, because of non-reciprocal lounge privileges, and the high points costs owners tend to visit there regularly. The staff now knows us. It is a great feeling and feels like coming home. The location is fantastic. too. We visit about 2x / year.

W57 also has the longest home resort window next to HCNY, so you have a good chance of getting the unit you want. As you noted, HCNY will not be impacted by Diamond since they cannot reserve there. Since we haven't stayed in other NYC we cannot compare. Perhaps others can weigh in about HCNY.
 

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We purchased some resale points (2 bed platinum at Paradise) a few years back, and have used them for Florida, Hawaii and New York. I'm now trying to convince the husband to purchase more - I couldn't care less about Max and thanks to the new "restrictions" combined with the pandemic, I feel like its prime time to buy another resale deed.

Since NYC is one of our favourite places to travel, I'm leaning towards purchasing there. I worry that with the HGV Max window being basically the same as the club window for NYC resorts, it may make it more difficult in the future to get in when we want to, so it may make sense to buy there to get some of the "perks", despite the higher maintenance fees per point.

As I understand it, you have a home week advantage and then a home resort advantage before the club/max window opens, you also have access to the owners lounge. I know that you can't use your non-NYC points at the NYC resorts before the club window opens, but can you use them to tack a day or two onto an existing reservation once the window opens? (IE: if I book Friday-Monday during the home resort window and then try to extend my reservation to Wednesday after the club window opens, can I use my non-nyc points?)

The best deals seem to be had at West 57th and the Hilton Club. We have stayed at both in the past and much prefer the location of West 57th. For the Hilton club, maintenance fees seem to be much higher, and from what I've read, it appears that the deeds expire in 2032?? Is that the case for all Hilton Club deeds? or just certain ones? Are there any other major differences between West 57th and Hilton Club? (I know HC is the only one with 2 bedrooms but we don't need room for that many people). Any other "perks" or drawbacks of owning in NY that I'm missing?

Because of the location, I'm leaning towards West 57th, but I have seen some Hilton Club points go for pretty cheap recently on Ebay, so I want to understand if thats an angle I should be looking at.

Thanks in advance for any info you can give me!!

I own HCNY, West 57th, and The Quin. Yes, best resale for New York is going to be West 57th or HCNY. There are Residences resale deeds out there but much fewer. The Central and The Quin are still so new that it will take a couple years to see resales on the market.

I echo everyone’s sentiment about West 57th. It was my first ownership and even 12 years later, it is one of my favorites. The location is perfect, staff is friendly, rooms are well appointed, and the lounge is excellent. Since it was HGVC first “timeshare only” build in New York there’s less hustle and bustle with the lobby and competition for elevators. Ownership reservation window is very favorable and club reservation is much more limited than the other BHC properties in New York. There is a $85 cleaning fee for every stay less than three nights

HCNY Is an entirely different product. They were initially RTU with deeds expiring 2032. However about five or so years ago those deeds were purchased back and the vast majority of ownerships are deeded in perpetuity like the other HGVC products. It is truly a “club with an a club” in that no non-owners can book into it. This gives owners significant advantage at last minute bookings with much less competition. The one and two bedrooms are very spacious. The lounge is excellent and on par with West 57th in my opinion. Though HCNY is the oldest HGVC in NYC, it was recently updated and renovated with new paint, wallpaper, carpet and furniture. You get housekeeping and turn down service every day, can book short stays without cleaning fee, and have more favorable HHonors conversion. Only negatives are MF are slightly higher, and competition for the elevators since it’s three floors in the very busy Hilton midtown. The Residences are several floors above and (from what I saw) are more luxurious.

Good luck in whatever direction you choose for NYC ownership!

Sean
 

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Prior to the pandemic, I was initially looking to own HCNY. I ended up with a W57 deed when prices dropped significantly during the pandemic. I'm actually glad I now own at W57 after seeing HCNY and The Residences, both located in Hilton Midtown, closed for over a year at the height of Covid-19. Owners of both HCNY and The Residences are in the minority in that particular property which meant they had little say when the property should/could open. Unlike W57 (and likely The Quin and The Central at 5th) that are wholly owned by owners, the HOA has total control over operations. Yes, Hilton has some influence, but not to the extent of closing the property like it did HCNY and The Residences that would deny owners access.

Just something to consider in case an event/situation like Covid-19 comes around that might impact operations.

ETA: This report of extra charges for services at Hilton Midtown also made me glad I own at W57 -
We briefly owned at The Residences before returning to W 57th St.

After W 57th St, I was annoyed at the nickel and diming at The Residences due to them being part of the hotel. There is a fee for receiving packages. There is a fee for storing your luggage. There is a fee for using the business center.
 
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@Seagila Oh wow, owners denied access, but still had to pay their HOA fees, right?!
 

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@Seagila Oh wow, owners denied access, but still had to pay their HOA fees, right?!
During Covid the maintenance fees at HCNY were still collected, just significantly discounted. The argument was that we could still use our club points at other HGVC locations. We got multiple correspondences of the HOA lobbying (and even threatening litigation) against Park Hotels and Resorts (owner of Hilton Midtown) about opening up the timeshare portion even if the hotel was not officially open. However because of union rules in NYC if you hired back a small number of people you had to pay the salaries of all the union workers at that location.

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This is helpful, thanks all!

Question, if you are a W57 owner and book with your non-W57 points, do you still have access to the owners lounge?
 

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And another question - are there special club dues on top of the regular club dues for W57th? I think there's an extra fee for HCNY, correct?
 

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are there special club dues on top of the regular club dues for W57th?
bHC annual dues are slightly higher than HGVC dues. What they don't advertise is the option of adding AI - All Inclusive for an additional fee. You have to ask. AI eliminates booking fees, which simplifies change & cancellation worries as well.
 

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This is helpful, thanks all!

Question, if you are a W57 owner and book with your non-W57 points, do you still have access to the owners lounge?
Yes, if you are an owner at W57, regardless of the points you use to book (bHC, Club, or Bonus points), you should have full lounge access.

Sean
 

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bHC annual dues are slightly higher than HGVC dues. What they don't advertise is the option of adding AI - All Inclusive for an additional fee. You have to ask. AI eliminates booking fees, which simplifies change & cancellation worries as well.
So is the AI for all bookings on your account (using club points to go somewhere else, W57th points at W57th) or is it only for bookings at W57?
 

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So is the AI for all bookings on your account (using club points to go somewhere else, W57th points at W57th) or is it only for bookings at W57?
All points in account.

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Yes, if you are an owner at W57, regardless of the points you use to book (bHC, Club, or Bonus points), you should have full lounge access.

Sean

I haven't tried it at W57 yet, having just purchased a resale deed there, but at The District they give me lounge access even when I'm there on an RCI exchange.
 

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I haven't tried it at W57 yet, having just purchased a resale deed there, but at The District they give me lounge access even when I'm there on an RCI exchange.

As mentioned above, I can confirm that Lounge Access is granted to owners even using "regular HGVC" points. We've done this more than once and never had an issue. Owners are owners.

cheers.
 

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I own HCNY, West 57th, and The Quin. Yes, best resale for New York is going to be West 57th or HCNY. There are Residences resale deeds out there but much fewer. The Central and The Quin are still so new that it will take a couple years to see resales on the market.

I echo everyone’s sentiment about West 57th. It was my first ownership and even 12 years later, it is one of my favorites. The location is perfect, staff is friendly, rooms are well appointed, and the lounge is excellent. Since it was HGVC first “timeshare only” build in New York there’s less hustle and bustle with the lobby and competition for elevators. Ownership reservation window is very favorable and club reservation is much more limited than the other BHC properties in New York. There is a $85 cleaning fee for every stay less than three nights

HCNY Is an entirely different product. They were initially RTU with deeds expiring 2032. However about five or so years ago those deeds were purchased back and the vast majority of ownerships are deeded in perpetuity like the other HGVC products. It is truly a “club with an a club” in that no non-owners can book into it. This gives owners significant advantage at last minute bookings with much less competition. The one and two bedrooms are very spacious. The lounge is excellent and on par with West 57th in my opinion. Though HCNY is the oldest HGVC in NYC, it was recently updated and renovated with new paint, wallpaper, carpet and furniture. You get housekeeping and turn down service every day, can book short stays without cleaning fee, and have more favorable HHonors conversion. Only negatives are MF are slightly higher, and competition for the elevators since it’s three floors in the very busy Hilton midtown. The Residences are several floors above and (from what I saw) are more luxurious.

Good luck in whatever direction you choose for NYC ownership!

Sean
If i own at W57 and use W57 points to book 4 days, then once the club season opens can I use my other points to tack on nights to my 4 day reservation? Seems like this would work, though since I would pay for AI it also might be irrelevant.
 

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If i own at W57 and use W57 points to book 4 days, then once the club season opens can I use my other points to tack on nights to my 4 day reservation? Seems like this would work, though since I would pay for AI it also might be irrelevant.
Yes you can do that. You will have two reservations and if one of them is for 3 nights or less you will pay the dreadful fee.
 

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Yes you can do that. You will have two reservations and if one of them is for 3 nights or less you will pay the dreadful fee.
Ah, so that is what I was trying to avoid. Even with AI, once I've entered the club window, I can't combine my bHC reservation with my HGVC club points to extend the reservation so that the whole shebang is 5-6-7 days, thus avoiding the fee?
 
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Not guaranteed. you would have to call to plead your case because it is under two different reservation numbers. The other NYC properties do not have the cleaning fee so you might do better owning there with that strategy or know you must book 4 and 4 to be assured.
 

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If i own at W57 and use W57 points to book 4 days, then once the club season opens can I use my other points to tack on nights to my 4 day reservation? Seems like this would work, though since I would pay for AI it also might be irrelevant.
Yes you can do that. You will have two reservations and if one of them is for 3 nights or less you will pay the dreadful fee.
Ah, so that is what I was trying to avoid. Even with AI, once I've entered the club window, I can't combine my bHC reservation with my HGVC club points to extend the reservation so that the whole shebang is 5-6-7 days, thus avoiding the fee?

Since the $85 short-stay fee doesn't get paid until checkout, I wonder if this couldn't be handled at the resort itself. If the two consecutive reservations are under the same room-type (e.g. both STP), then I don't see why they would move you between reservations and charge the $85.
 

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Actually it seems like with AI, the thing to do would be to call, and have the rep take my bHC booking with bHC points and add those same dates to my club reservation with club points. There should be no CX fees and no short term stay fees, either, and by calling I should ensure the room I first booked with bHC remains available through the process.
 

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Actually it seems like with AI, the thing to do would be to call, and have the rep take my bHC booking with bHC points and add those same dates to my club reservation with club points. There should be no CX fees and no short term stay fees, either, and by calling I should ensure the room I first booked with bHC remains available through the process.
This is the way.
 

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Actually it seems like with AI, the thing to do would be to call, and have the rep take my bHC booking with bHC points and add those same dates to my club reservation with club points. There should be no CX fees and no short term stay fees, either, and by calling I should ensure the room I first booked with bHC remains available through the process.

I have done this, albeit inadvertently. I did want to use the bHC points for part of it and the HGVC for the rest, and merge. In the end, it was all concerted to HGVC and merged leaving the bHC aside. I did find a use for them.

I've also had separate reservations that never did get officially merged, but I was able to call W. 57th directly and have them linked in such a way that the fee was not charged.

Cheers.
 

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We just came back from 4-night stay at The Residence with HGVC club point booking. After walking everywhere from the hotel, 3 Boardway shows and Jimmy Fallon Show and a few tasty restaurants visits, we would like to visit NY more often from by taking Amtrack from Philadelphia.

Now, the decision is whether we purchase a NY timeshare with large points or a studio unit. We already own HGVC Vegas contract as well as Hawaii contract. Here are some questions for veteran NY owners:

1. Could we book NY timeshare by combining NY week points and Vegas points during NY club priority booking window or only NY week point during the priority window?
2. Is lounge access only open for the particular location owner or reciprocal to all NY timeshare owner? For an example, do West 57th owners have access to The Central at 5th lounge?
3. If we purchase a NY week, do we have access open season at all NY timeshare as well as The District as DC, or just our home location?

There are a few West 57th St weeks listed on Redweek. No Quin or Central resale yet.
 

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1)reservations prior to club window must be NY bHC points.

2) not reciprocal. Choose your home resort wisely

3) only resort you own. See #2 above

Good luck!
 
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