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New Thinking on Covid Lockdowns: They’re Overly Blunt and Costly
Blanket business shutdowns—which the U.S. never tried before this pandemic—led to a deep recession. Economists and health experts say there may be a better way.


In response to the novel and deadly coronavirus, many governments deployed draconian tactics never used in modern times: severe and broad restrictions on daily activity that helped send the world into its deepest peacetime slump since the Great Depression.

The equivalent of 400 million jobs have been lost world-wide, 13 million in the U.S. alone. Global output is on track to fall 5% this year, far worse than during the financial crisis, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Despite this steep price, few policy makers felt they had a choice, seeing the economic crisis as a side effect of the health crisis. They ordered nonessential businesses closed and told people to stay home, all without the extensive analysis of benefits and risks that usually precedes a new medical treatment.

There wasn’t time to gather that sort of evidence: Faced with a poorly understood and rapidly spreading pathogen, they prioritized saving lives.

Five months later, the evidence suggests lockdowns were an overly blunt and economically costly tool. They are politically difficult to keep in place for long enough to stamp out the virus. The evidence also points to alternative strategies that could slow the spread of the epidemic at much less cost. As cases flare up throughout the U.S., some experts are urging policy makers to pursue these more targeted restrictions and interventions rather than another crippling round of lockdowns.

“We’re on the cusp of an economic catastrophe,” said James Stock, a Harvard University economist who, with Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina and others, is modeling how to avoid a surge in deaths without a deeply damaging lockdown. “We can avoid the worst of that catastrophe by being disciplined,” Mr. Stock said......

........Dr. Mina of Harvard said the U.S. at the outset could have chosen to prioritize the economy, as Sweden did, and accept the deaths, or it could have chosen to fully prioritize health by staying locked down until new infections were so low that testing and tracing could control new outbreaks, as some northeastern states such as Rhode Island did.

Most of the U.S. did neither. The result was “a complete disaster. We’re harming the economy, waffling back and forth between what is right, what is wrong with a slow drift of companies closing their doors for good,” Dr. Mina said.

The experience of the past five months suggests the need for an alternative: Rather than lockdowns, using only those measures proven to maximize lives saved while minimizing economic and social disruption. “Emphasize the reopening of the highest economic benefit, lowest risk endeavors,” said Dr. Mina.

Social distancing policies, for instance, can take into account widely varying risks by age. The virus is especially deadly for the elderly. Nursing homes account for 0.6% of the population but 45% of Covid fatalities, says the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a conservative-leaning think tank. Better isolating those residents would have saved many lives at little economic cost, it says.

By contrast, fewer children have died this year from Covid-19 than from flu. And studies in Sweden, where most schools stayed open, and the Netherlands, where they reopened in May, found teachers at no greater risk than the overall population. This suggests reopening schools outside of hot spots, with protective measures, shouldn’t worsen the epidemic, while alleviating the toll on working parents and on children.

If schools don’t reopen until next January, McKinsey & Co. estimates, low-income children will have lost a year of education, which it says translates into 4% lower lifetime earnings.

.....Dr. Mina’s and Mr. Stock’s team has designed a “smart” reopening plan based on contact frequency and vulnerability of five demographic groups and 66 economic sectors. It assumes most businesses reopen using industry guidelines on physical distancing, hygiene and working from home; schools reopen; masks are required; and churches, indoor sports venues and bars stay closed.

They estimated in June that this would result in 335,000 fewer U.S. deaths by the end of this year than if all restrictions were immediately lifted. But they say the plan also would leave economic output 10% higher than if a second round of lockdowns were imposed.

“If you use all these measures, it leaves lots of room for the economy to reopen with a very small number of deaths,” Mr. Stock said. “Economic shutdowns are a blunt and very costly tool.”......
 

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Brookings continues to closely monitor the increase in COVID-19 cases and other institutional responses to the virus. Accordingly, Brookings staff will continue mandatory telework through at least January 4, 2021. Brookings leadership will continue to monitor the situation and regularly evaluate the need for continued telework beyond that date.
 

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all without the extensive analysis of benefits and risks that usually precedes a new medical treatment
I get there wasn't time time to fully evaluate but the media has refused to allow ANY dissenting voices until very recently.
They are politically difficult to keep in place for long enough to stamp out the virus.
and they don't work. Long enough to "work" could mean years.
Better isolating those residents would have saved many lives at little economic cost, it says.
Anecdotally-Covid is going through my nursing homes now-after all the lockdowns, masking mandates have been in place way prior to coming into the nursing homes, homes still under strict visitor guidelines etc. I just don't think you can "hide" from the virus. The surrounding communities have mask mandates as well, and low community spread with the specific areas with low %positivity rate as well

@DannyTS :ROFLMAO::eek:--I find the comparisons interesting. No one wants to talk about how once virus hits a saturation point the curve drops no matter the mitigations in place...just that some mitigations result in asymptomatic cases and therefore much lower deaths.
 

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Let's just refer to "that country" as Sverige so no one knows what we are REALLY talking about.
What if I call it "the first country that reached herd immunity"? That is probably worse I imagine.
 

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from the study discussed

businesses remain open under CDC guidelines but strict precautions outside work are reimposed,

That would go over well.
 

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New Thinking on Covid Lockdowns: They’re Overly Blunt and Costly
Blanket business shutdowns—which the U.S. never tried before this pandemic—led to a deep recession. Economists and health experts say there may be a better way.


In response to the novel and deadly coronavirus, many governments deployed draconian tactics never used in modern times: severe and broad restrictions on daily activity that helped send the world into its deepest peacetime slump since the Great Depression.

The equivalent of 400 million jobs have been lost world-wide, 13 million in the U.S. alone. Global output is on track to fall 5% this year, far worse than during the financial crisis, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Despite this steep price, few policy makers felt they had a choice, seeing the economic crisis as a side effect of the health crisis. They ordered nonessential businesses closed and told people to stay home, all without the extensive analysis of benefits and risks that usually precedes a new medical treatment.

There wasn’t time to gather that sort of evidence: Faced with a poorly understood and rapidly spreading pathogen, they prioritized saving lives.

Five months later, the evidence suggests lockdowns were an overly blunt and economically costly tool. They are politically difficult to keep in place for long enough to stamp out the virus. The evidence also points to alternative strategies that could slow the spread of the epidemic at much less cost. As cases flare up throughout the U.S., some experts are urging policy makers to pursue these more targeted restrictions and interventions rather than another crippling round of lockdowns.

“We’re on the cusp of an economic catastrophe,” said James Stock, a Harvard University economist who, with Harvard epidemiologist Michael Mina and others, is modeling how to avoid a surge in deaths without a deeply damaging lockdown. “We can avoid the worst of that catastrophe by being disciplined,” Mr. Stock said......

........Dr. Mina of Harvard said the U.S. at the outset could have chosen to prioritize the economy, as Sweden did, and accept the deaths, or it could have chosen to fully prioritize health by staying locked down until new infections were so low that testing and tracing could control new outbreaks, as some northeastern states such as Rhode Island did.

Most of the U.S. did neither. The result was “a complete disaster. We’re harming the economy, waffling back and forth between what is right, what is wrong with a slow drift of companies closing their doors for good,” Dr. Mina said.

The experience of the past five months suggests the need for an alternative: Rather than lockdowns, using only those measures proven to maximize lives saved while minimizing economic and social disruption. “Emphasize the reopening of the highest economic benefit, lowest risk endeavors,” said Dr. Mina.

Social distancing policies, for instance, can take into account widely varying risks by age. The virus is especially deadly for the elderly. Nursing homes account for 0.6% of the population but 45% of Covid fatalities, says the Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity, a conservative-leaning think tank. Better isolating those residents would have saved many lives at little economic cost, it says.

By contrast, fewer children have died this year from Covid-19 than from flu. And studies in Sweden, where most schools stayed open, and the Netherlands, where they reopened in May, found teachers at no greater risk than the overall population. This suggests reopening schools outside of hot spots, with protective measures, shouldn’t worsen the epidemic, while alleviating the toll on working parents and on children.

If schools don’t reopen until next January, McKinsey & Co. estimates, low-income children will have lost a year of education, which it says translates into 4% lower lifetime earnings.

.....Dr. Mina’s and Mr. Stock’s team has designed a “smart” reopening plan based on contact frequency and vulnerability of five demographic groups and 66 economic sectors. It assumes most businesses reopen using industry guidelines on physical distancing, hygiene and working from home; schools reopen; masks are required; and churches, indoor sports venues and bars stay closed.

They estimated in June that this would result in 335,000 fewer U.S. deaths by the end of this year than if all restrictions were immediately lifted. But they say the plan also would leave economic output 10% higher than if a second round of lockdowns were imposed.

“If you use all these measures, it leaves lots of room for the economy to reopen with a very small number of deaths,” Mr. Stock said. “Economic shutdowns are a blunt and very costly tool.”......
My edit to the headline:

This thinking isn't NEW.

New Thinking on Covid Lockdowns: They’re Overly Blunt and Costly
 

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My take on this is fairly simple. We've learned a lot across the globe from this mess. I just hope we understand that more precise risk mitigation techniques are required, at least in the United States. Right now it appears that entities such as school systems, colleges, etc. are more concerned with having outbreaks and the negative media consequences than working towards some type of model that works for them. Blunt instruments versus practical solutions. I look at pro sports as good examples. Looks like the bubble model works and the one used by Baseball is evolving. Why not take some chances with the bubble model on college campuses? Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween. Simple compromises.
 

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My edit to the headline:

This thinking isn't NEW.

New Thinking on Covid Lockdowns: They’re Overly Blunt and Costly

I agree it is not new as some of us having been saying this since Covid started. But we were contrarians back in the day. LOL
 

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My take on this is fairly simple. We've learned a lot across the globe from this mess. I just hope we understand that more precise risk mitigation techniques are required, at least in the United States. Right now it appears that entities such as school systems, colleges, etc. are more concerned with having outbreaks and the negative media consequences than working towards some type of model that works for them. Blunt instruments versus practical solutions. I look at pro sports as good examples. Looks like the bubble model works and the one used by Baseball is evolving. Why not take some chances with the bubble model on college campuses? Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween. Simple compromises.

This is what I was thinking about for schools. If the families all agree to limit their activities and travels, then school should be fairly low risk.
 

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“ Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween”
That seems all very fine and dandy. But how do you know the kids don’t have it, and the parents don’t have it?
In a perfect world everyone would do everything possible to avoid getting infected and to be mindful of their friends, family and whomever they come in contact with.
But we can all read about the people who simply do not care about anyone else but themselves.
They are bored and just want to have parties, get together with masses of friends. I know I am just generalizing here, but what is more important, opening up businesses, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of people? It is not just the people dying but many survivors are left with life long health complications, do they not matter?
Too many people just cannot seem to understand how serious this is. Too many people do not understand what hardship really is. So we all have to be very careful for awhile yet, yes it is hard, yes we miss our large gatherings. I am sorry, but my comment is “suck it up”, stop whining and think of what is good for everyone.
Sorry about the rant, but I am truly fed up with a lot of people, not just in the US but in my country as well.
 

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"Everything we do before a pandemic will seem alarmist. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate. This is the dilemma we face, but it should not stop us from doing what we can to prepare. We need to reach out to everyone with words that inform, but not inflame. We need to encourage everyone to prepare, but not panic." — Michael O. Leavitt, 2007


People still refuse to wear masks.

And there aren’t enough tests (and certainly not enough rapid tests) to do bubbles for universities.

Lockdowns are hard and blunt, yes. But since we didn’t prepare appropriately lockdowns were the only sure methods to prevent uncontrolled spread. Most places eased up lockdowns ASAP and then re-instituted them if cases/hospitalizations/deaths spiked.

How didn’t we prepare? Here’s how: hospitals didn’t get enough masks or tests, governments didn’t get enough masks or tests, they waited forever to beef up contact tracing teams and tools, etc etc).

Sweden killed a lot of people. And there’s no reason to think ‘it’s over’ or ‘they achieved herd immunity.’ That’s fiction. We won’t know the real scope of the damage for many months. Sweden is simply declaring victory without evidence of true victory. Case rates can rise and fall for various reasons, a trend downward doesn’t preclude a future trend upward.


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“ Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween”
That seems all very fine and dandy. But how do you know the kids don’t have it, and the parents don’t have it?
In a perfect world everyone would do everything possible to avoid getting infected and to be mindful of their friends, family and whomever they come in contact with.
But we can all read about the people who simply do not care about anyone else but themselves.
They are bored and just want to have parties, get together with masses of friends. I know I am just generalizing here, but what is more important, opening up businesses, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of people? It is not just the people dying but many survivors are left with life long health complications, do they not matter?
Too many people just cannot seem to understand how serious this is. Too many people do not understand what hardship really is. So we all have to be very careful for awhile yet, yes it is hard, yes we miss our large gatherings. I am sorry, but my comment is “suck it up”, stop whining and think of what is good for everyone.
Sorry about the rant, but I am truly fed up with a lot of people, not just in the US but in my country as well.
What if they have it, they stay home for few days, and they come back when they are feeling better? As long as you protect the most vulnerable, one should not afraid of it.

 

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“ Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween”
That seems all very fine and dandy. But how do you know the kids don’t have it, and the parents don’t have it?
In a perfect world everyone would do everything possible to avoid getting infected and to be mindful of their friends, family and whomever they come in contact with.
But we can all read about the people who simply do not care about anyone else but themselves.
They are bored and just want to have parties, get together with masses of friends. I know I am just generalizing here, but what is more important, opening up businesses, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of people? It is not just the people dying but many survivors are left with life long health complications, do they not matter?
Too many people just cannot seem to understand how serious this is. Too many people do not understand what hardship really is. So we all have to be very careful for awhile yet, yes it is hard, yes we miss our large gatherings. I am sorry, but my comment is “suck it up”, stop whining and think of what is good for everyone.
Sorry about the rant, but I am truly fed up with a lot of people, not just in the US but in my country as well.

What do you think of that UI girl who got Covid and took a bus knowing she had Covid?

A lot of Tuggers are traveling now. What do you think of that?
 

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“What if they have it, they stay home for few days, and they come back when they are feeling better?
As long as you protect the most vulnerable, one should not afraid of it.”
If you have it, and you test positive, you do not stay home for a few days, you stay home for 14 days, and you are retested, and if you are negative, then you can go out, of course always wearing your mask!


« What do you think of that UI girl who got Covid and took a bus knowing she had Covid?
A lot of Tuggers are traveling now. What do you think of that?«

I apologize, I do not know what UI is, but if she took a bus knowing she had covid, if she is tested and still tests positive, she should be fined. There is no excuse for pretending ignorance.

Travelling? Depends on where they are travelling, how many people are travelling, where are they travelling to and what are the restrictions where they will be vacationing.
 

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“ Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween”
That seems all very fine and dandy. But how do you know the kids don’t have it, and the parents don’t have it?
In a perfect world everyone would do everything possible to avoid getting infected and to be mindful of their friends, family and whomever they come in contact with.
But we can all read about the people who simply do not care about anyone else but themselves.
They are bored and just want to have parties, get together with masses of friends. I know I am just generalizing here, but what is more important, opening up businesses, or the lives of hundreds of thousands of people? It is not just the people dying but many survivors are left with life long health complications, do they not matter?
Too many people just cannot seem to understand how serious this is. Too many people do not understand what hardship really is. So we all have to be very careful for awhile yet, yes it is hard, yes we miss our large gatherings. I am sorry, but my comment is “suck it up”, stop whining and think of what is good for everyone.
Sorry about the rant, but I am truly fed up with a lot of people, not just in the US but in my country as well.

What do you think about the schools that are re-opening with a Covid plan and safety precautions in place?
 

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“ Maybe too hard with public grammar schools, but if kids don't have it and the parents don't have it, then maybe avoid a family vacation, and things like birthday parties and Halloween”
That seems all very fine and dandy. But how do you know the kids don’t have it, and the parents don’t have it?
Testing?
 

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Save Yourself: Stop Believing in Lockdown


 
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