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New poll shows anger, frustration toward the unvaccinated

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And hate, they probably forgot to mention hate.

I would be curious to see a poll with the following question:
Studies show that the natural immunity is significantly more robust and more durable than the immunity acquired through vaccination. Should those previously infected be mandated to be vaccinated to keep their jobs?
 

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New poll: Studies show those who were previously infected that get vaccined have the highest possible ability to not get the disease, stop the spread of COVID, and not be hospitalized. Basically, they become the best human shields against COVID's spread. Should they be exempt from any vaccine mandate, or should they be encouraged to help society as best they can like everyone else?
 

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And so it goes on, the politics of division which sows the seeds of hate. We need to just say no to all of that.
 

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New poll: Studies show those who were previously infected that get vaccined have the highest possible ability to not get the disease, stop the spread of COVID, and not be hospitalized. Basically, they become the best human shields against COVID's spread. Should they be exempt from any vaccine mandate, or should they be encouraged to help society as best they can like everyone else?
Interesting to note that you have higher convictions than Dr Sanjay Gupta and Dr Anthony Fauci.
By the way, the booster has not been approved for the vast majority of the population because the risks may outweigh the marginal benefits which proves that "the more the merrier" is not exactly science.

 

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Maybe a fake, but a worthwhile message...

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I find it most interesting that the unvaccinated are sincere in their convictions not to get the shot until they come down with the disease at which time they implore friends and family to get vaccinated at all costs.
 
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Sign on a funeral home vehicle... 'Nuff said.

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I might be wrong, but I think this is a photo of the same vehicle that I heard a radio report about this morning. If so, there is no such funeral home. If you call the number on the bottom, it informs you where you can go to get vaccinated. In short, it was a stunt hoping to get people thinking that maybe vaccination is a good idea. I have no idea whether it was effective or not, but interesting.
 

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You keep harping on the fact that THERE may be information on the boosters that has not been disclosed. There is no evidence in my mind that that is true.
 

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You keep harping on the fact that THERE may be information on the boosters that has not been disclosed. There is no evidence in my mind that that is true.


1) all the passive system vastly under-report (the CDC director's words, not mine). The actual number of adverse events may be 10-100 times higher according to estimates
2) the reports introduced in VAERS are not shared in real time with the public. It takes weeks to validate and months to interpret. 3 days ago the number of deaths increased suddenly to about 15,000.
3) As I said Vaers is a passive system that underreports the cases. Another way to analize the risk is through biostatistics and look at the medical files of large groups of vaccinated people and compare them with equivalent groups that are not vaccinated. They will try to determine this way if the incidence of certain adverse reactions is higher than the one you normally have in the general population. The CDC has been looking at this data but to date we had very few reports about it. The actual data and more conclusive results have not been shared with the public.

Your question is virtually exactly like when Sheppard Smith asked if there is any indication that boosters can cause harm to anyone. Like the FDA panel member, I will ask you to be open minded about these things.

 

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So much disinformation on BOTH sides has led to the state we find ourselves in. I do not believe the government has been honest and that has led to all sorts of problems.

I recently cared for a patient who has had CoVid twice, so catching CoVid, at least for some, isn’t any more bullet proof than getting the vaccine. My wife works on a unit where 2 two times positive CoVid patients died the second time around.

At this point there are no easy answers. The best strategy I’m hearing at this moment is to get vaccinated. The vaccines have been shown to reduce (not eliminate) the possibility of being seriously ill. The thinking (not necessarily fact) is that being vaccinated AND catching CoVid provides the greatest immunity or, surviving CoVid first and then getting vaccinated provides the same level of protection.

Note that this seems to be just a working guess and not a lot more. I haven’t seen any actual studies and it’s likely to early for any that might be looking at this to have been published. Rest assured when they are, both the government and the media will twist it to their advantage and the general public will be left with tons of questions and accusations
 
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"NATURAL IMMUNITY" + VACCINE = BEST PROTECTION ANYONE COULD HOPE/BEG/PRAY FOR. Only loonies would not want it. I wish I had this high level of protection. Rational people get vaccinated, they don't advocate against it for anyone not medically contraindicated.

Studies show those who were previously infected that get vaccinated have the highest possible ability to not get the disease, stop the spread of COVID, and not be hospitalized. Basically, they become the best human shields against COVID's spread. Should they be exempt from any vaccine mandate, or should they be encouraged to help society as best they can like everyone else?
 

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Only loonies would not want it.

Since you have used "cooks and loonies" like a hundred times you are either a top expert in psychology or possibly these words generally occupy an oversized space in your thinking. I will assume the former. What is your expert opinion about those that ignore the severe adverse events like this one?


"Here we present a novel case of a young woman who developed life-threatening autoimmune hemolytic anemia (AIHA) after her first dose of a SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine. Notably, initial direct antiglobulin testing was negative using standard anti-IgG reagents, which are “blind” to certain immunoglobulin (IgG) isotypes. Further testing using an antiglobulin reagent that detects all IgG isotypes was strongly positive and confirmed the diagnosis of AIHA. The patient required transfusion with 13 units of packed red blood cells, as well as treatment with corticosteroids, rituximab, mycophenolate mofetil, and immune globulin. As efforts to administer SARS-CoV-2 vaccines continue globally, clinicians must be aware of potential autoimmune sequelae of these therapies."


Or doctors that claim this:

Or those that claim this


I congratulate you for doing an outstanding job in promoting a civilized dialogue.
 
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So much disinformation on BOTH sides has led to the state we find ourselves in. I do not believe the government has been honest and that has led to all sorts of problems.

I recently cared for a patient who has had CoVid twice, so catching CoVid, at least for some, isn’t any more bullet proof than getting the vaccine. My wife works on a unit where 2 two times positive CoVid patients died the second time around.

At this point there are no easy answers. The best strategy I’m hearing at this moment is to get vaccinated. The vaccines have been shown to reduce (not eliminate) the possibility of being seriously ill. The thinking (not necessarily fact) is that being vaccinated AND catching CoVid provides the greatest immunity or, surviving CoVid first and then getting vaccinated provides the same level of protection.

Note that this seems to be just a working guess and not a lot more. I haven’t seen any actual studies and it’s likely to early for any that might be looking at this to have been published. Rest assured when they are, both the government and the media will twist it to their advantage and the general public will be left with tons of questions and accusations
Thank you for sharing. Can you provide more information about the two who passed away? The ones that seem to more susceptible to breakthrough hospitalizations and death for example are the ones with severe health issues to begin with, immune compromised and/or very old and weak. Is this the case with the ones you mentioned in your post as well? Have neither of the 2 gotten any dose of the vaccine? It is known that people are most exposed right after getting the vaccine.
 

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The use of several different drugs used to treat cancer were found to increase cases of AIHA. This study referenced here is from February 2019. This is prior to the existence of Covid-19 vaccines So Covid-19 vaccines are not the only source of problem. Any idea of the percentage of patients receiving the Covid-19 vaccine that are having this problem?

Autoimmune hemolytic anemia associated with the use of immune checkpoint inhibitors for cancer: 68 cases from the Food and Drug Administration database and review - PubMed (nih.gov)

Can you tell me the name of the doctor in the Twitter clip?
 
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The use of several different drugs used to treat cancer were found to increase cases of AIHA. This study referenced here is from February 2019. This is prior to the existence of Covid-19 vaccines So Covid-19 vaccines are not the only source of problem. Any idea of the percentage of patients receiving the Covid-19 vaccine that are having this problem?

Autoimmune hemolytic anemia associated with the use of immune checkpoint inhibitors for cancer: 68 cases from the Food and Drug Administration database and review - PubMed (nih.gov)

In ANA's situation it does not seem to be the case. You have more details in this link.

"She had a history of central retinal vein occlusion and hypertension. Medications included aspirin (oral, 81mg/day) and metoprolol succinate (oral, 100mg/day); she remained on prednisone (oral, 1mg/kg/day), initiated at the other hospital. The patient worked as an attorney and lived with her husband and three children. She had no personal or family history of autoimmune disease."


 

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The frustration seems to work both ways, as evidenced by the the unvaccinated TUGger who posted in the Hawaii forum yesterday, who professed frustration that Hawaii had just instituted rules that reduced the time between test and being allowed to enter Hawaii and various places there- restaurants, etc. from 3 days to 2. This poster didn't want to make it about vaccines, as there's a forum for that. (Huh?)
 

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Can you tell me the name of the doctor in the Twitter clip?
From his Linkedin profile.

Ryan Cole, MD
Dermatopathologist CEO/Lab Director at Cole Diagnostics
Boise Metropolitan Area

Experience
Cole Diagnostics
Dermatopathologist CEO/Lab Director
Cole Diagnostics Full-time
Jul 2004 – Present
17 yrs 3 mos
Boise Metropolitan Area
St. Alphonsus Regional Medical Center
Dermatopathology Consultant
NameSt. Alphonsus Regional Medical Center Full-time
Jun 2003 – Jun 2004
1 yr 1 mo
Boise, Idaho, United States
Ackerman Academy, NY
Chief Fellow, MD
Ackerman Academy, NY
Jul 2002 – Jun 2003

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Mayo Clinic School of Medicine
Mayo Clinic School of Medicine
Degree NameBoard Certified Anatomic and Clinical PathologistField Of StudyAnatomic and Clinical Pathology Fellowship
Dates attended or expected graduation1997 – 2002

Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine
Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine
Degree NameDoctor of Medicine (MD)Field Of StudyMedical student
Dates attended or expected graduation1993 – 1997

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The American Board of Pathology (ABPath)
Board Certified Anatomic and Clinical Pathologist
Issuing authorityThe American Board of Pathology (ABPath)
 

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With the vaccines causing so many medical issues, I guess the anti-vax crowd is right to just ignore them.

Anther case of the current administration getting blamed for the decisions made by the prior administration. The prior administration ordered up the type of vaccines. They were approved under an EUA under the prior administration. The distribution began under the prior administration.

Just glad I have my vaccination and am eligible for the booster as soon as it is approved. I have not had any ill effects from the first two doses. I do not know anybody that has had ill effects so I count myself as very lucky. I do know people that have had the booster for several weeks and they are having no ill effects so again I count myself as lucky.

I do know people that have died from Covid-19 since the vaccines were introduced. They were not vaccinated by personal choice. RIP to them.
 

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I only know people with severe reactions after the vaccine, and nobody who was severely ill from Covid. Maybe the batches around here were different than yours, maybe less aggressive strains circulated in this neighborhood. The anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence though. At this point, we have enough data to conclude that the vaccines have saved a lot of lives but that they also seem to cause severe adverse reactions in some cases. The current denial is anti-science IMO and it is not helping doctors to make informed decisions. After selling them as perfectly safe (which was a terrible idea and severed the residual trust for a lot of people), problems started to be acknowledged by the regulators. It does not happen to everyone though, of course. How come we still do not have more information about the profile of those that have a higher incidence than the others, so that their doctors can decide what is their best course of action for the vaccine and the potential boosters?

These are real people from Israel. To them, the fact that the vaccine was "perfectly safe" for other people does not matter much, don't you think? If you or others will put this into the category of "covid conspiracy porn" I will say that it is not very different than the "covid panic porn", just on the other side. The media likes to put faces on the Covid casualties because they sell better. An honest discussion about numbers and why the risks seem to be tilted towards certain groups is more productive and more pro-science IMO. Everybody knows someone who is at a higher risk of covid but don't you think we should also start to think about those that have a higher risk from the vaccine?
 

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If you are angry and frustrated then perhaps you should look inward because it's not anyone else's fault you carry around that anger and frustration. It is you who is making you this way.
 

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I believe the number of adverse reactions to the vaccine will eventually be incorporated into the data. I do believe that there are adverse reactions. How many as a percentage of total injections that are serious is what is really important. Until then, I am done trying to comment on the information. I did read a lot of the VAERS reports and the common thread seems to be people that are on a lot of different drugs seem to have short term adverse reactions. I saw a lot of shortness of breath, sore arms, chest tightness, dizziness and the like. But there are over 300K reports and I just randomly picked a 200 or so. So I certainly can not draw any serious conclusions, except to say that the VAERS has "lightweight" adverse reactions in the numbers.

I do not believe that ProjectVeritas is a serious source of news. I saw that there reports are picked up and redistributed by Infowars. The guys are making good money by promoting the latest controversy without any regard for facts. So be it.
 
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