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While attending the General Manager's Owner's Happy Hour at Ocean Point, I spoke with a couple who insisted there is a "new", new point system (new in the last 6 months) that is based on silver, gold and platinum . . .and no I am not talking about the Marriott Rewards point program. This has something to do with the trust points. Has there been any posting here about this? I am going on a presentation tomorrow and will see what I can find out but thought I would like to get some input prior to our meeting time. . . . anyone know what I am talking about?
 

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Marriott's new trust points program became active about 16 months ago.

There are multiple threads on the subject on the Marriott board; search the phrase "destination club".

Or, sort the threads on the Marriott board by the number of views; most of the "top ten" are on variations of this subject; far too much to summarize, but very important for you to understand before you buy anything.
 
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The OP is saying that the original points program started in 6/10 has now been replaced by still another points program.
I have not heard anything of this.
 

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The OP is saying that the original points program started in 6/10 has now been replaced by still another points program.
I have not heard anything of this.

But the DC program is based on Silver, Gold, Platinum. The better the season, the more points you get (in most cases). Not sure what the OP is referring to as the only new points program is DC started about 16 months ago and they would have had to have been living under a rock to not know about that.
 

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Kathypet . . you are correct in what I was saying. A couple I met who seemed to know what they were talking about insisted there was a major change in the new point system about 6 months ago. They knew about legacy and trust points but said the points were now raked into silver, gold and platinum based on the number of point and the type of points. They were hopping mad about this change as they purchased trust point prior to this change and their trust points do not count toward the platinum status . . . they have over 13,000 points, enough for platinum according to them. They emphasized it had nothing to do with the Marriott Reward program.

Just wanted to see if anyone else had heard any of this. We will be attending the sales presentation tomorrow so hopefully we will have more answer . . or more question :)
 

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I get the impression that the other couple is misinformed and/or confused. If there was something new, I am sure we would have heard about it here by now.

There are three levels of ownership, Owner, Premier, and Premier Plus.

I have not read about anything where MVCI has devalued trust points in a way that would anger trust owners.
 
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SandyTOes,
Perhaps this couple was referring to the inability to combine trust and legacy points into one bundle to obtain the reservation they want?

Anyway post what you find out.
 

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I get the impression that the other couple is misinformed and/or confused. If there was something new, I am sure we would have heard about it here by now.

There are three levels of ownership, Owner, Premier, and Premier Plus.

I have not read about anything where MVCI has devalued trust points in a way that would anger trust owners.

Perhaps it is just the following

Owner = Silver
Premier = Gold
Premier Plus - Platinum

:confused:
 

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Perhaps it is just the following

Owner = Silver
Premier = Gold
Premier Plus - Platinum

:confused:

That's sort of what I was thinking. In addition, Marriott might not be allowing the combination of trust/legacy points elevate owners into the Platinum level, which would tick legacy week owners off pretty well.

It will be good to get confirmation on whether or not Marriott has made additional changes or if this couple had be befuddled by a slick talking salesman who had his pitch backfire when the owners got mad.
 

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I'm in agreement with those who say that these people must just be confused. There haven't been any changes to the DC Points system where Silver/Gold/Plat are used as any kind of official status. But like others have said, if you go to a presentation they do focus on Marriott Rewards quite a bit and Silver/Gold/Plat Elite status definitely matters there, plus if these folks own Weeks that can be enrolled then the Bronze/Silver/Gold/Plat seasonal designations will come into play to determine how many DC Points their Weeks can be converted to.

So I vote "confused." Not that that's difficult these days, with all the different Marriott programs and the way they use the same terms to mean different things.
 

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I agree confused but there were some new options that were added for Premier and Premier Plus club members since the DC program began.

The added benefits include Premium Tier Cruises, Villa Discounts, Premier Events, DC Point uses at Luxury Residences, Epic Explorer Credits and Travel Insurance discounts.

I was told during a July presentation about the 'added benefit' for us to buy DC points to add to our portfolio and become a Premier status. We didn't bite.

Here is a link to the Webinar presentation brochure for Enrolled Owners. The new Premier and Premier Plus updates are explained on pages 61 to 71.

http://vacationclub.richfx.com.edgesuite.net/presentation/media/MVCP_enrolled/
 

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I agree confused but there were some new options that were added for Premier and Premier Plus club members since the DC program began.

The added benefits include Premium Tier Cruises, Villa Discounts, Premier Events, DC Point uses at Luxury Residences, Epic Explorer Credits and Travel Insurance discounts.

I was told during a July presentation about the 'added benefit' for us to buy DC points to add to our portfolio and become a Premier status. We didn't bite.

Here is a link to the Webinar presentation brochure for Enrolled Owners. The new Premier and Premier Plus updates are explained on pages 61 to 71.

http://vacationclub.richfx.com.edgesuite.net/presentation/media/MVCP_enrolled/

Also premier members get what is a very small window of "flextime" (fewer poinr
ts required)if booked within the last 7 days and premier plus within the last 14.
 

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Took the tour and here is the result . . confused . . . all parties, including me.

Here is what I am not confused about . . . the difference between Legacy and Trust points is clear. Legacy point are generated by traditional owned weeks being turned in for destination points. Trust points are any points that are purchased that are not attached to any particular resort. Legacy point will never become trust points and visa/versa. We definitely were told if we purchase trust point, we can combine our legacy point with our trust when booking a stay. I asked and re-clarified this question several times as I thought this was not the case.

Here is where I am a bit confused as to exactly how it works and this maybe what the couple was talking about . . . when you are a premier plus point owner (13000 points I believe, this couple had that many points) you automatically become a platinum Marriott Rewards member.

At today's presentation since we have converted to points we were allowed to purchase as little as 1000 points but with no incentives. In the past the minimum had been more. If you purchased 2000 or more points there were incentives of either a lower cost or a one time only additional points deposited into your account. For 2000 points purchased you got an extra 2600 points . . one time only. The cost for a point was being offer at $10.22 per point purchased (not the incentive price). The maintenance fee was about $40 or $44 per point (I think but may be wrong).

The sales rep was very friendly, seemed knowledgeable and no at all pushy . . . we actually liked the guy. The second guy who came in was equally nice. We were almost temped to buy into the trust so that we would have access to more places in the future. We spend about 90 minutes and could have 20,000 points or $125 in Marriott Money for eating out.
 

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The powerpoint presentation that I looked at today says that "New" Destination Club purchasers states that Premium or Premium Plus owners will automatically be given Marriott elite status. I assume that "New" purchasers refers to those who purchase DC points. Of course we all know that there are three different levels of Marriott elite status and the Silver status is not worth the paper it is printed on. Gold gives you a little more benefit.
 

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Took the tour and here is the result . . confused . . . all parties, including me.

Here is what I am not confused about . . . the difference between Legacy and Trust points is clear. Legacy point are generated by traditional owned weeks being turned in for destination points. Trust points are any points that are purchased that are not attached to any particular resort. Legacy point will never become trust points and visa/versa. We definitely were told if we purchase trust point, we can combine our legacy point with our trust when booking a stay. I asked and re-clarified this question several times as I thought this was not the case.

Here is where I am a bit confused as to exactly how it works and this maybe what the couple was talking about . . . when you are a premier plus point owner (13000 points I believe, this couple had that many points) you automatically become a platinum Marriott Rewards member.

At today's presentation since we have converted to points we were allowed to purchase as little as 1000 points but with no incentives. In the past the minimum had been more. If you purchased 2000 or more points there were incentives of either a lower cost or a one time only additional points deposited into your account. For 2000 points purchased you got an extra 2600 points . . one time only. The cost for a point was being offer at $10.22 per point purchased (not the incentive price). The maintenance fee was about $40 or $44 per point (I think but may be wrong).

The sales rep was very friendly, seemed knowledgeable and no at all pushy . . . we actually liked the guy. The second guy who came in was equally nice. We were almost temped to buy into the trust so that we would have access to more places in the future. We spend about 90 minutes and could have 20,000 points or $125 in Marriott Money for eating out.

What happens, as I understand it, when you combine legacy and trust points is that the desired location must have both legacy and trust nights available.

ie: you have 1000 trust points and 1225 legacy points and want to reserve a full week in a 2 bedroom unit at Canyon Villa's. Canyon Villa's has a unit deposited in the DC by a weeks owner (legacy points) but there are no trust point nights available. So you can reserve a few nights using the legacy points but, since there are no trust point nights avaible, you can't complete your reservation for the full week.

So, they're combinable but, also not combinable. In order to combine them there must be availability from both "buckets."
 

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Here is where I am a bit confused as to exactly how it works and this maybe what the couple was talking about . . . when you are a premier plus point owner (13000 points I believe, this couple had that many points) you automatically become a platinum Marriott Rewards member.

Well..... If that what it is about, I did bring this up back in September after our presentation in Aruba. Based on the number of replies, it either didn't garner much attention or a lot of people have me on their ignore lists.

http://www.tugbbs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154959
 

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dioxide . . this may be why I have been bumped up to gold and then earned enough to be platinum . . . never understood the jump in my reward status. I did not buy any new points but was told when I became a legacy owner with points I have enough points to be a premier owner and that would explain why I started at gold with my reward points. I think this must be what that couple was talking about . . .maybe they purchased points prior to this policy going into effect as they seemed to indicate. All I know is they were not happy and had told there rep as much.
 

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dioxide . . this may be why I have been bumped up to gold and then earned enough to be platinum . . . never understood the jump in my reward status. I did not buy any new points but was told when I became a legacy owner with points I have enough points to be a premier owner and that would explain why I started at gold with my reward points. I think this must be what that couple was talking about . . .maybe they purchased points prior to this policy going into effect as they seemed to indicate. All I know is they were not happy and had told there rep as much.

Unless you bought points, I don't think this new benefit would apply to you. The three years of gold/plat is available to DC trust point purchasers. Perhaps you were upgraded in status due to a taste of gold/platinum promotion that Marriott has been running recently?

I believe this new benefit for trust point purchasers is new. We saw it in our presentation in Aruba in September but saw no mention of it while at a presentation in HHI in April.
 
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I am a Premier DC member. I have not purchased new trust points and my Marriott status is still silver same as always.
 

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The powerpoint presentation that I looked at today says that "New" Destination Club purchasers states that Premium or Premium Plus owners will automatically be given Marriott elite status. I assume that "New" purchasers refers to those who purchase DC points.
It is just new points purchasers and a recent benefit addition. I just qualified for Platinum in Marriott Rewards for the first time this month. I have almost 20,000 legacy points and Premium Plus status but that got me nothing in Marriott Rewards. Starwood and others give status to timeshare owners based on their ownership so I think this is a good change for Marriott. Although it will not affect me personally (I will be lifetime Platinum in a couple of years), I think they should extend MR Platinum to ALL Premier Plus owners and Gold status to ALL Premier owners (not just new purchasers), but a small step in that direction is better than nothing. I do think their current policy is probably a much needed sales incentive when trying to peddle trust points.
 
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