New Marriott Vacation Club Ownership levels announced

[sponger76]

Could you elaborate on what "the 60-day usage by the developer" is?

Per governing documents, at 60 days out, unreserved inventory can be taken by MVC to do what they want - a lot of times that means renting it out for cash on marriott.com

 

[Eric B]

Most of the bylaws for the various resorts or trusts include the right for the developer to make priority use of unreserved inventory. In Westin Aventuras it's documented like this:

All reservations will be processed on a space available, “first come, first served” basis, provided that the Reservation Rules must incorporate priorities for processing and confirming reservation requests, which priorities must include: a breakage period during which the Trust Association has priority for the use, or for maintenance and repair purposes of Vacation Periods not reserved by or on behalf of Owners during the prescribed reservation period, and a breakage period during which the Trust Association has a priority for the use of Vacation Periods not previously reserved by or on behalf of Owners during the prescribed reservation period for any purpose. This reservation period may not start more than sixty (60) days before the check-in-day of a Vacation Period. It may overlap with other reservation periods.

 

[Eric B]

Well, looks like it won't be starting today....

 

[dioxide45]

Per governing documents, at 60 days out, unreserved inventory can be taken by MVC to do what they want - a lot of times that means renting it out for cash on marriott.com

I believe some resorts, Grande Vista being one of them, they get unreserved stuff at 75 days.

Perhaps with giving the extended Holding Account points timeframe, they didn't see a need to also do it with the discount window. Everyone except the Owner Level actually got a benefit with the discount window.

 

[Mroze]

Just heard that the changes will go live on June 8th as it's a large update for the system.

Hi @Eric B

Where did you hear of the JUN-08 Go-Live date?

 

[Eric B]

From someone at Marriott.

 

[Don Springett]

SCHEDULE “3”
2026 Dues Exchange Company Dues Effective 2026
Membership Level
Pinnacle $750
Reserve $400
Chairman’s Club $320
Presidential $300
Executive $300
Select $255
Member $255

I am a Vistana member at the Chairman Level - 28,000 Club Points. Are these charges already in our bill or do we pay once we decide to exchange into club points? I did my first experiment with Clubpoints and exchanged a small 1BR WKV. I like using it for quick getaways but the math would be different if I get charged the $320 just for exchanging the one unit. Also, I saw where those with $25K get grandfathered in to Reserve. Was that just a promo to get people to buy more before the end of May or will I be a Reserve.

 

[Hindsite]

I am a Vistana member at the Chairman Level - 28,000 Club Points. Are these charges already in our bill or do we pay once we decide to exchange into club points? I did my first experiment with Clubpoints and exchanged a small 1BR WKV. I like using it for quick getaways but the math would be different if I get charged the $320 just for exchanging the one unit. Also, I saw where those with $25K get grandfathered in to Reserve. Was that just a promo to get people to buy more before the end of May or will I be a Reserve.

The promo goes to end May 2027 The new club dues will be payable at the next time they are invoiced in 2026. You pay club dues whether you elect for club points or not, it covers a load of transaction fees and an II account, like the VSN fee did.

 

[Mroze]

I am a Vistana member at the Chairman Level - 28,000 Club Points. Are these charges already in our bill or do we pay once we decide to exchange into club points? I did my first experiment with Clubpoints and exchanged a small 1BR WKV. I like using it for quick getaways but the math would be different if I get charged the $320 just for exchanging the one unit. Also, I saw where those with $25K get grandfathered in to Reserve. Was that just a promo to get people to buy more before the end of May or will I be a Reserve.

If you have 25K+ Club-Points that were Direct-Purchase [Not Resale & Not Requalified-Resale] you should be grandfathered into Reserve with no additional purchase required.

 

[klkaylor]

Anyone seen a change in their benefit level on the website yet?

 

[dansimms]

I have a suggestion, if Marriott Vacation Club wants to really incentivize Owners to buy more. Build out the final wing of Grande Chateau and make the units available as 1/8 shares of real estate. Break up the floors between Marriott Vacation Club, Ritz Carlton, St Regis and Marriott Grand Residence. Different amenities and prices to give Owners choices. The maintenance fees there are amonsgt the most competitive. I am a Chairman Benefit level with about 16,000 Abound Points. Something like this would be worth considering to help get me to 'Reserve', because we could use more time in Las Vegas in retirement and it would lower my blended maintainence fee which is close to 70 cents currently to perhaps a blended average of about 60 cents, provided that I chose a unit that was part of Marriott Vacation Club portfolio.

 

[DanCali]

I have a suggestion, if Marriott Vacation Club wants to really incentivize Owners to buy more. Build out the final wing of Grande Chateau and make the units available as 1/8 shares of real estate. Break up the floors between Marriott Vacation Club, Ritz Carlton, St Regis and Marriott Grand Residence. Different amenities and prices to give Owners choices. The maintenance fees there are amonsgt the most competitive. I am a Chairman Benefit level with about 16,000 Abound Points. Something like this would be worth considering to help get me to 'Reserve', because we could use more time in Las Vegas in retirement and it would lower my blended maintainence fee which is close to 70 cents currently to perhaps a blended average of about 60 cents, provided that I chose a unit that was part of Marriott Vacation Club portfolio.

Why build when you can buy inventory for $1-$2 and sell it for $17?

Perhaps the FOMO sales are going so well that at this rate Reserve and Pinnacle may just stay on paper...

 

[dioxide45]

I have a suggestion, if Marriott Vacation Club wants to really incentivize Owners to buy more. Build out the final wing of Grande Chateau and make the units available as 1/8 shares of real estate. Break up the floors between Marriott Vacation Club, Ritz Carlton, St Regis and Marriott Grand Residence. Different amenities and prices to give Owners choices. The maintenance fees there are amonsgt the most competitive. I am a Chairman Benefit level with about 16,000 Abound Points. Something like this would be worth considering to help get me to 'Reserve', because we could use more time in Las Vegas in retirement and it would lower my blended maintainence fee which is close to 70 cents currently to perhaps a blended average of about 60 cents, provided that I chose a unit that was part of Marriott Vacation Club portfolio.

Didn't they learn that fractional just doesn't sell. They got burnt buy that already with Ritz Carlton and Grand Residence. I doubt they would ever do that again. Not only did it not sell, they also then had owners revolt and lost a few resorts because of it. Then on top of that, it is said that they will never be able to build the fourth tower at Grand Chateau simply because the parking situation. They don't even have enough parking for the three towers. Valet is crammed with cars. I don't know if charging non timeshare stays for parking has alleviated that. They might have to consider charging all guests for parking if they built the fourth tower just in hopes many people would not bring or rent a car if they charged parking fees to all.

 

[TheTimeTraveler]

Didn't they learn that fractional just doesn't sell. They got burnt buy that already with Ritz Carlton and Grand Residence. I doubt they would ever do that again. Not only did it not sell, they also then had owners revolt and lost a few resorts because of it. Then on top of that, it is said that they will never be able to build the fourth tower at Grand Chateau simply because the parking situation. They don't even have enough parking for the three towers. Valet is crammed with cars. I don't know if charging non timeshare stays for parking has alleviated that. They might have to consider charging all guests for parking if they built the fourth tower just in hopes many people would not bring or rent a car if they charged parking fees to all.

Good point!














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[dansimms]

Didn't they learn that fractional just doesn't sell. They got burnt buy that already with Ritz Carlton and Grand Residence. I doubt they would ever do that again. Not only did it not sell, they also then had owners revolt and lost a few resorts because of it. Then on top of that, it is said that they will never be able to build the fourth tower at Grand Chateau simply because the parking situation. They don't even have enough parking for the three towers. Valet is crammed with cars. I don't know if charging non timeshare stays for parking has alleviated that. They might have to consider charging all guests for parking if they built the fourth tower just in hopes many people would not bring or rent a car if they charged parking fees to all.

A deeded bundle with no trust points would get the attention of people that could use more inventory. I would find 2 or 3 weeks of Grande Chateau attractive. It would bump me to Reserve, lower my average maintenance fee per point and get me more time in Las Vegas.

 

[sponger76]

A deeded bundle with no trust points would get the attention of people that could use more inventory. I would find 2 or 3 weeks of Grande Chateau attractive. It would bump me to Reserve, lower my average maintenance fee per point and get me more time in Las Vegas.

Yes, we can see how it might benefit YOU. But as mentioned upthread, selling fractionals has not worked out well overall for Marriott, both under that branding and under Ritz-Carlton branding. As a for-profit business, that makes it highly unlikely they'll make another go at it just for the benefit of you and maybe a handful of other people like you.

 

[dansimms]

Yes, we can see how it might benefit YOU. But as mentioned upthread, selling fractionals has not worked out well overall for Marriott, both under that branding and under Ritz-Carlton branding. As a for-profit business, that makes it highly unlikely they'll make another go at it just for the benefit of you and maybe a handful of other people like you.

The plus for Marriott would merely be making them dangerous for making more six figure sales. It would be a cash flow plus for them. I agree that they probably wouldn't view it that way. As it stands now, they have convinced me not to waste my time trying to add several weeks, as they would be cost prohibitive. I would rather use extra time off to book cruises, use hotels, and try some all inclusives I am interested in experiencing.

 

[iowaguy09]

This is specifically related to our Vistana ownerships. We are Select level and based on the "What I Own" page on the Vistana website our Club Points total is 5140. There is also a page on the Vistana website "https://www.vistana.com/benefits" that shows my "Owner Benefit Level". I have attached a screenshot of the relevant information shown. I do not understand why it is showing the "Total Club Points Value" as 6895. We only own Westin Flex, and there is no question that our ownership converts to 5140 Club Points. We own no resale or purchased from MVC Club Points.

Does anyone have any idea why our points value would show up higher on this webpage?

 

[dioxide45]

This is specifically related to our Vistana ownerships. We are Select level and based on the "What I Own" page on the Vistana website our Club Points total is 5140. There is also a page on the Vistana website "https://www.vistana.com/benefits" that shows my "Owner Benefit Level". I have attached a screenshot of the relevant information shown. I do not understand why it is showing the "Total Club Points Value" as 6895. We only own Westin Flex, and there is no question that our ownership converts to 5140 Club Points. We own no resale or purchased from MVC Club Points.

Does anyone have any idea why our points value would show up higher on this webpage?

How many Westin Flex HomeOptions do you own?

 

[Eric B]

... because the Marriott/Vistana IT Department continues to thrill and delight us?

 

[DanCali]

This is specifically related to our Vistana ownerships. We are Select level and based on the "What I Own" page on the Vistana website our Club Points total is 5140. There is also a page on the Vistana website "https://www.vistana.com/benefits" that shows my "Owner Benefit Level". I have attached a screenshot of the relevant information shown. I do not understand why it is showing the "Total Club Points Value" as 6895. We only own Westin Flex, and there is no question that our ownership converts to 5140 Club Points. We own no resale or purchased from MVC Club Points.

Does anyone have any idea why our points value would show up higher on this webpage?

That "benefits" link shows me my total points, including MVC deeded weeks that are enrolled in Abound.

Do you own anything else with MVC that may be worth 1755 points (seems like an odd number)?

 

[RebelR]

Yes, we can see how it might benefit YOU. But as mentioned upthread, selling fractionals has not worked out well overall for Marriott, both under that branding and under Ritz-Carlton branding. As a for-profit business, that makes it highly unlikely they'll make another go at it just for the benefit of you and maybe a handful of other people like you.

Do you think this is a problem with fractionals or the way Marriott sells them? I was very close to buying two in the same unit in Tahoe which I thought would get me 6 months (increments 2 and 3) but each one is every 4th week so this made it a hard no for me because then you can’t stay, you would have to constantly keep coming and going.

 

[sponger76]

Do you think this is a problem with fractionals or the way Marriott sells them? I was very close to buying two in the same unit in Tahoe which I thought would get me 6 months (increments 2 and 3) but each one is every 4th week so this made it a hard no for me because then you can’t stay, you would have to constantly keep coming and going.

Maybe a bit of both, but it really would be SWAG on my part. The only thing I know for sure is that Marriott tried with Grand Residences and Ritz-Carlton and it didn't work out well overall so they no longer do new fractional properties. It's hard enough for them to even build new traditional timeshare properties these days,.

 

[iowaguy09]

How many Westin Flex HomeOptions do you own?

148,100

 

[iowaguy09]

That "benefits" link shows me my total points, including MVC deeded weeks that are enrolled in Abound.

Do you own anything else with MVC that may be worth 1755 points (seems like an odd number)?

No, just the 148,100 WFX. It’s two separate VOI’s of 67,100 and 81,000.