New Marriott Vacation Club Ownership levels announced

[RookWDW]

My reading is that requalified resales will count 100% toward Chairman or below status levels, but will not count at all toward Reserve/Pinnacle.

If so that guarantees no weeks owner with requalified resale weeks will buy any points in the future. That eliminates a large pool of potential buyers. Unless they just feel that people who buy legacy weeks resale are not likely to actually buy points.

 

[DRH90277]

I think MVC's bigger problem is that owners may look at the long list of supposed benefits and consider what would really matter to them. I looked the list over in detail and I don't think there are many of the "boat load" of benefits that really matter or would ever by used by us. Those at the Pinacle level are probably looking at the list and saying "so what." One might look at the list and say "Would I buy more to get this?"

 

[HankW]

If so that guarantees no weeks owner with requalified resale weeks will buy any points in the future. That eliminates a large pool of potential buyers. Unless they just feel that people who buy legacy weeks resale are not likely to actually buy points.

The only play I see here is: 1. Between now and 30 May 2027, move up all current and newly requalified @ 25K and 40K levels to the new levels. 2. Sell traditional CPs to new and current owners who would like to enter the new levels @ 25K and 40K levels. They will probably say after 30 May 2027, game over! ......Until they come up with the new levels marketing scheme.

 

[sponger76]

Where did you read or hear this - it is contrary to what I've been told. I think one of their objectives is to move owners up the chain to higher levels and this would disqualify many. They seem to have been quite generous in the past with considerable leniency toward granting benefits to lower levels.

Uh, in the documents that have been posted in this very thread that specifically state that resales won't count toward Reserve/Pinnacle levels.

 

[sponger76]

If so that guarantees no weeks owner with requalified resale weeks will buy any points in the future. That eliminates a large pool of potential buyers. Unless they just feel that people who buy legacy weeks resale are not likely to actually buy points.

I agree that nobody will buy points specifically to re-qualify resales to get to Reserve/Pinnacle. But some might still buy to re-qualify resales just to enroll them in Abound or to get to Chairman or below. In the grand scheme of things, I think it's a very small segment of the population where Reserve/Pinnacle are even a realistic goal. At the same time I still think it's a stupid policy by MVC that just generates more ill will.

 

[DRH90277]

Uh, in the documents that have been posted in this very thread that specifically state that resales won't count toward Reserve/Pinnacle levels.

Does it distinguish between resales and enrolled resales?

I have no written source but I have been advised that we are at Pinnacle level and we would need to rely on "purchases with enrollments" to have this level for our portfolio. Specific information is in short supply regarding this change, start dates, etc., so I'm glad we've got your expertise.

 

[sponger76]

Does it distinguish between resales and enrolled resales?

I have no written source but I have been advised that we are at Pinnacle level and we would need to rely on "purchases with enrollments" to have this level for our portfolio. Specific information is in short supply regarding this change, start dates, etc., so I'm glad we've got your expertise.

Per the documents that have been posted in this thread, which I suggest you go back and look at, when it comes to the new Reserve/Pinnacle levels they seem exclude resales even if they have been enrolled - unless purchased via an "authorized reseller" which of course are few and far between. As far as I know, that consists of just a handful of Grand Residence brokers and of course Marriott itself. People do purchase resales via Marriott, typically as part of a bundle package.

 

[RookWDW]

I agree that nobody will buy points specifically to re-qualify resales to get to Reserve/Pinnacle. But some might still buy to re-qualify resales just to enroll them in Abound or to get to Chairman or below. In the grand scheme of things, I think it's a very small segment of the population where Reserve/Pinnacle are even a realistic goal. At the same time I still think it's a stupid policy by MVC that just generates more ill will.

If I can buy a week or two in Spain to qualify my other weeks, make them enrolled, and get to Chairman, that is basically what my plan already was and would still do that. Pending the cost to do so. Also pending us figuring out exactly what the total package we want to own is.

 

[Eric B]

Just heard from someone who had verified with corporate sources that our eligible points will make us Reserve status. I'm still not sure what they counted as being eligible; either our requalified resale Vistana weeks, both voluntary and mandatory VSN were included and our resale RCC fractional excluded or vice versa. I asked them for a list of what VOIs were included but haven't heard back yet. I will update when I hear further details, if any.

For those of you that had asked, Footnote 3 of Schedule 4 of the Abound Exchange Procedures document is what provides the discussion on what points are eligible for Reserve and Pinnacle tiers while all enrolled points count for up to Chairman's Club. That footnote reads as follows:

3 Limits on Interests Acquired from Third Parties. Only Interests acquired by a Program Member from Marriott Ownership Resorts, Inc. (or an affiliate thereof), and certain Interests (as determined by Exchange Company in its sole discretion) acquired by a Program Member from or through an Approved Broker, shall be included in determining whether such Program Member has achieved Reserve or Pinnacle level status. For purposes of clarification, Interests that were not acquired by Program Member from Marriott Ownership Resorts, Inc. (or an affiliate thereof), but were enrolled in the Exchange Program in connection with a promotion requiring Program Member to purchase a minimum number of Club Points in the MVC Trust from Marriott Ownership Resorts, Inc. as a condition of such enrollment, shall not be included in determining whether such Program Member has achieved Reserve or Pinnacle level status.

This seems to specifically exclude resale MVW weeks enrolled with the purchase of Abound points but does not speak directly to requalified Vistana weeks, which was a different program from the MVW enrollment program and promised different benefits. I speculate that the terms of that requalification for resale Vistana weeks results in a different treatment of those and as a result it was all my requalified Vistana weeks that are getting us into Reserve - I did nothing that would have a contractual effect with MVW, Vistana, or RCC that would modify the eligibility of my resale RCC fractional, so I suspect it isn't included in the eligible point total. I might be mistaken, of course, as the Lion & Crown terms and conditions don't seem to address this yet. We'll see when they finally roll things out officially.

It's also possible that they have used the discretion allowed by the parenthetical for certain interests as I had a fairly large recent purchase. I'm still a bit in the dark on the whole thing, as we all are. I expect that they will provide an offer to get us over the current Pinnacle grandfathering level. I'm not sure I see the value in the difference between Reserve and Pinnacle as the difference in dues is $350 per year and it only gets you the higher preference for waitlists and upgrades, which are definitely not demonstrably different, and access to a MyConcierge team while in travel, which I probably already have equivalent support through various travel credit cards. There are a few other additional benefits to Pinnacle but they don't sound like much from what has been released so far - no idea what the curated luxury hotel access is, for example.

More to follow when I hear more.

 

[Mroze]

Does it distinguish between resales and enrolled resales?

I have no written source but I have been advised that we are at Pinnacle level and we would need to rely on "purchases with enrollments" to have this level for our portfolio. Specific information is in short supply regarding this change, start dates, etc., so I'm glad we've got your expertise.

I took snippets from an online video which explicitly states:

• Any Resale/Enrolled Weeks/Points will NOT count toward the New Owner-benefit-Levels [Reserve/Pinnacle].

 

[Mroze]

If I can buy a week or two in Spain to qualify my other weeks, make them enrolled, and get to Chairman, that is basically what my plan already was and would still do that. Pending the cost to do so. Also pending us figuring out exactly what the total package we want to own is.

The guidance so far is that any Enrolled Interests [Weeks/Points requalified by purchasing Points/Weeks directly from Marriott] will NOT count toward Reserve/Pinnacle status.
The Weeks/Points that you purchase Directly from Marriott WILL COUNT toward the new OBL.

So purchasing weeks Resale + Enrolling them will not get members to the new OBL [Reserve/Pinnacle], however, if you are not yet Chairmans, it will help get you up to Chairmans.

 

[daviator]

I took snippets from an online video which explicitly states:

• Any Resale/Enrolled Weeks/Points will NOT count toward the New Owner-benefit-Levels [Reserve/Pinnacle].

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But your words say something completely different than what is on the slide.

The slide (and the new terms and conditions) say that people who enrolled a resale purchase by buying Abound points won’t get to apply those enrolled resale purchases toward the new levels.

But it doesn’t say anything about people who enrolled resale purchases in other ways (like by purchasing pretty much anything from Vistana/Starwood.) My read is that those enrolled resale purchases WILL count toward the new levels because there isn’t anything saying they won’t.

 

[Mroze]

But your words say something completely different than what is on the slide.

The slide (and the new terms and conditions) say that people who enrolled a resale purchase by buying Abound points won’t get to apply those enrolled resale purchases toward the new levels.

But it doesn’t say anything about people who enrolled resale purchases in other ways (like by purchasing pretty much anything from Vistana/Starwood.) My read is that those enrolled resale purchases WILL count toward the new levels because there isn’t anything saying they won’t.

The Flex/Abound-Points Purchased [directly from Vistana/Marriott] to Enroll [Resale-Weeks/Points] WILL count.
The Value of the Enrolled-Weeks [that were purchased resale] or the value of the Enrolled-Points [that were purchased resale] WILL NOT count.

Example

• Enrolled Resale-Weeks: I purchased 6 x 2-BR WKV Platinum+ Weeks Resale [148100-SO Each] valued at 24300 Abound-Points [4050 x 6].
• Flex-Points: I paid $10K to enroll the First Resale-Week + $5K to enroll each additional Resale-Week for a total of $35K and received Flex-Points worth $35K.

The value of the Enrolled Resale-Weeks [24300-Abound] DO NOT count toward the new OBL's [Reserve/Pinnacle].
The value of the Flex-Points [purchased directly from Vistana] worth $35K [equivalent maybe 3K Abound-Points] WILL count.

 

[5finny]

The Flex/Abound-Points Purchased [directly from Marriott] to Enroll [Resale-Weeks/Points] WILL count.
The Value of the Enrolled-Weeks [that were purchased resale] or the value of the Enrolled-Points [that were purchased resale] WILL NOT count.

Example

• Enrolled Resale-Weeks: I purchased 6 x 2-BR WKV Platinum+ Weeks Resale [148100-SO Each] valued at 24300 Abound-Points [4050 x 6].
• Flex-Points: I paid $10K to enroll the First Resale-Week + $5K to enroll each additional Resale-Week for a total of $35K and received Flex-Points worth $35K.

The value of the Enrolled Resale-Weeks [24300-Abound] DO NOT count toward the new OBL's [Reserve/Pinnacle].
The value of the Flex-Points [purchased directly from Vistana] worth $35K [equivalent Abound-Points] WILL count.

I have no intention of personally trying to get to one of the newest / highest levels but that just strikes me as wrong
I assume you only bought Flex-points so that your WKV resale weeks would be treated the same as direct purchased weeks
Seems like they changed the rules on you in the middle of the game

 

[Mroze]

I have no intention of personally trying to get to one of the newest / highest levels but that just strikes me as wrong
I assume you only bought Flex-points so that your WKV resale weeks would be treated the same as direct purchased weeks
Seems like they changed the rules on you in the middle of the game

I have already been misled once before. This will be the second time.

The first time I was informed that I needed to RE-Qualify/Enroll my resale weeks [Mandatory-SO] for them to count.
This was incorrect information as all resale weeks owners [Mandatory-SO Only] were Auto-Enrolled WITHOUT Requalifying their resale weeks.

Thus, there are WKV/WKORN Resale-Week owners who were Auto-Enrolled [without Re-Qualifying] into Abound [without paying a $]. So I didn't need to spend the $35K.

Lesson learnt. Don't fall for the new MAY-30-2027 carrots. Do nothing.

 

[5finny]

I have already been misled once before. This will be the second time.

The first time I was informed that I needed to RE-Qualify/Enroll my resale weeks [Mandatory-SO] for them to count.
This was incorrect information as all resale weeks owners [Mandatory-SO Only] were Auto-Enrolled WITHOUT Requalifying their resale weeks.

Thus, there are WKV/WKORN Resale-Week owners who were Auto-Enrolled [without Re-Qualifying] into Abound [without paying a $]. So I didn't need to spend the $35K.

Lesson learnt. Don't fall for the new MAY-30-2027 carrots. Do nothing.

“You can’t make a good deal with a bad person.”

— Warren Buffett

So why do I still like timeshares so much?

 

[BigDawgTUG]

We had our "Owners Update" this week at the Maui Ocean Club. We have a large portfolio, so the salesperson's angle was to present the new ownership levels and emphasize that MVC's new management is focusing on the top owners. She had us down for around 17K in eligible Club Points towards Reserve and Pinnacle, and my number was 21,125 Using @Dean 's methodology). They ultimately agreed that my number was correct, as they made a mistake in compiling the numbers.

The conversation then turned toward whether we'd like to "grandfather" in to the lower levels for Reserve and Pinnacle. They presented a letter from MVC instructing the sales people to use 25K and 40K rather than 30K and 50K as a special promotion. The letter did not mention the termination date of May 30, 2027, as specified in the enrollment rules, implying that this was a limited time opportunity thereby trying to create a sense of urgency.

Since we also own 5 quarterly shares at GRC, each purchased through an Authorized Reseller, we asked them about that language and whether we may already qualify as Reserve or Pinnacle. They dodged that issue twice. I think either they did not know the answer or did not understand what I was talking about. In the end, their only angle was to try to sell us Club Points to get us up to Reserve status under the grandfather clause. We told them that we did not see any value in spending nearly $80,000 ($18.04 per point) to qualify for Reserve, when we found the benefits to be only marginally better than what we now have as Chairman. They then let us go.

 

[Mroze]

We had our "Owners Update" this week at the Maui Ocean Club. We have a large portfolio, so the salesperson's angle was to present the new ownership levels and emphasize that MVC's new management is focusing on the top owners. She had us down for around 17K in eligible Club Points towards Reserve and Pinnacle, and my number was 21,125 Using @Dean 's methodology). They ultimately agreed that my number was correct, as they made a mistake in compiling the numbers.

The conversation then turned toward whether we'd like to "grandfather" in to the lower levels for Reserve and Pinnacle. They presented a letter from MVC instructing the sales people to use 25K and 40K rather than 30K and 50K as a special promotion. The letter did not mention the termination date of May 30, 2027, as specified in the enrollment rules, implying that this was a limited time opportunity thereby trying to create a sense of urgency.

Since we also own 5 quarterly shares at GRC, each purchased through an Authorized Reseller, we asked them about that language and whether we may already qualify as Reserve or Pinnacle. They dodged that issue twice. I think either they did not know the answer or did not understand what I was talking about. In the end, their only angle was to try to sell us Club Points to get us up to Reserve status under the grandfather clause. We told them that we did not see any value in spending nearly $80,000 ($18.04 per point) to qualify for Reserve, when we found the benefits to be only marginally better than what we now have as Chairman. They then let us go.

Thanks for posting your experience.

Does your 21K include any Resale/Enrolled interests?

 

[WBP]

While I feel no personal loss from not being directly eligible for the new MVW ownership levels(*), I am proud to say that we do not own a single MVW Portfolio Point. Although we have the ability to exchange for points, we have never chosen to do so.

That said, I would not be at all surprised if MVW drafted its May 2026 MVC Exchange Company Disclosure Guide for the Abound by Marriott Vacations™ Exchange Program in a manner that provides the company with the flexibility to offer otherwise ineligible owners an opportunity to "upgrade" their ownership portfolios and become eligible for these new membership levels—for a fee, on a “limited time” basis.

I can easily envision MVW creating a sense of urgency around such an opportunity and charging for a one-time exception that it believes may hold value for some affected owners.

We have no interest in playing in that MVW sandbox, but we respect the decision of others who choose to do so.

(*) = I do, however, feel adversely impacted by MVW’s new rules.

 

[Hindsite]

(*) = I do, however, feel adversely impacted by MVW’s new rules.

Is that adverse impact relating to discretionary benefits or core ownership rights?

 

[craigd]

We had our "Owners Update" this week at the Maui Ocean Club. We have a large portfolio, so the salesperson's angle was to present the new ownership levels and emphasize that MVC's new management is focusing on the top owners. She had us down for around 17K in eligible Club Points towards Reserve and Pinnacle, and my number was 21,125 Using @Dean 's methodology). They ultimately agreed that my number was correct, as they made a mistake in compiling the numbers.

The conversation then turned toward whether we'd like to "grandfather" in to the lower levels for Reserve and Pinnacle. They presented a letter from MVC instructing the sales people to use 25K and 40K rather than 30K and 50K as a special promotion. The letter did not mention the termination date of May 30, 2027, as specified in the enrollment rules, implying that this was a limited time opportunity thereby trying to create a sense of urgency.

Since we also own 5 quarterly shares at GRC, each purchased through an Authorized Reseller, we asked them about that language and whether we may already qualify as Reserve or Pinnacle. They dodged that issue twice. I think either they did not know the answer or did not understand what I was talking about. In the end, their only angle was to try to sell us Club Points to get us up to Reserve status under the grandfather clause. We told them that we did not see any value in spending nearly $80,000 ($18.04 per point) to qualify for Reserve, when we found the benefits to be only marginally better than what we now have as Chairman. They then let us go.

You own 5 quarterly shares at GRC?! If they have half a brain, they will use the discretion @Eric B noted above to get you in for pennies. If they want high end "owners," they should be rolling out the red carpet for those who bought GRC or RCC either directly back in the day or from any reseller, authorized or not. Then again, GRC "owners" may be less desirable than RCC owners because I think MF at GRC might be lower than MF on points associated with equivalent inventory.

 

[BigDawgTUG]

Thanks for posting your experience.

Does your 21K include any Resale/Enrolled interests?

It includes one resale purchased on eBay and subsequently enrolled. It is misidentified as internal on the MVC website. So, I think it is just an error on their end when it was originally input under our ownership. In the end, it’s immaterial to us as we would never purchase more points to move up to any higher benefit level.

 

[craigd]

It includes one resale purchased on eBay and subsequently enrolled. It is misidentified as internal on the MVC website. So, I think it is just an error on their end when it was originally input under our ownership. In the end, it’s immaterial to us as we would never purchase more points to move up to any higher benefit level.

They really should just grandfather in GRC and RCC owners whose inventory translates to anything close to new levels given that you guys are the tigers who have the know-how and the resources to deliver a crippling (if not fatal) bite if they continue to poke you.

 

[craigd]

While I feel no personal loss from not being directly eligible for the new MVW ownership levels(*), I am proud to say that we do not own a single MVW Portfolio Point. Although we have the ability to exchange for points, we have never chosen to do so.

That said, I would not be at all surprised if MVW drafted its May 2026 MVC Exchange Company Disclosure Guide for the Abound by Marriott Vacations™ Exchange Program in a manner that provides the company with the flexibility to offer otherwise ineligible owners an opportunity to "upgrade" their ownership portfolios and become eligible for these new membership levels—for a fee, on a “limited time” basis.

I can easily envision MVW creating a sense of urgency around such an opportunity and charging for a one-time exception that it believes may hold value for some affected owners.

We have no interest in playing in that MVW sandbox, but we respect the decision of others who choose to do so.

(*) = I do, however, feel adversely impacted by MVW’s new rules.

Do the new reservation windows for those who choose to play the game affect availability when you go to reserve? OR do your home resorts give you priority over all Abound points users regardless of their Abound/MCV status? It appears that different properties have different reservation policies and procedures for points' users.

 

[igopogo]

It includes one resale purchased on eBay and subsequently enrolled. It is misidentified as internal on the MVC website. So, I think it is just an error on their end when it was originally input under our ownership. In the end, it’s immaterial to us as we would never purchase more points to move up to any higher benefit level.

That’s doubly interesting as -going by the rules- that eBay purchase shouldn’t be eligible to enroll. I’m spinning this story in my head where someone got it switched to internal back office in order to close your enrollment sale and avoid any attention.