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After a few years of renting and educating myself on timeshares, I finally decided to give it a try! I purchased resale a platinum week at Marriott Manor Club 2 bedroom lockoff. I decided to buy this one because my family likes Williamsburg and it is easily within driving distance. We have stayed at Manor Club and Greensprings. Manor Club was much nicer, hands down. I have rented many timeshares an I find Marriott Vacation Club overall to be superior to other non-Marriott rentals. Timeshares makes traveling with small children a much more pleasurable experience!

I chose Manor Club because we it is a place we enjoy and can drive to. it was also not too large of an outlay of money. If I find this works well for us I can always purchase another more expensive top trader beachfront later.

Under good advice here, I purchased a lock-off unit/platinum week. I have two small children so although we prefer staying in a two bedroom, a one bedroom is fine. In the future when the kids are older and move away, we may not need the two bedroom, so the lockoff may work better.

My first year use is 2013, so I have time to plan, which is where I can use some help.

Once my paperwork is completed, can I join Interval International right away? Would I be eligible for a 2012 Getaway if I see one I like? Is there a limit on Getaways allowed? My friend got me a Getaway last October at Cypress Harbour - it was awesome!

Second question is the lockoff. Assuming I can reserve a July or August week at Manor Club, would you recommend reserving unit as 2 bedroom or splitting the lock off? Do I need to reserve the same week for both units or can I pick 2 different weeks in the same platinum season? If so, can I reserve the first date at the 1 year mark an the 1 bedrrom at the same time or would I have to call back later to book the other unit? There would be a lockoff fee and one or two exchange fees depending if I use one week or trade both? In reality, how strong of a trader is the studio at Manor Club with a summer week? I know I will not see Aruba , Hawaii or summer beach week! Is it likely I could trade for a 1 bedroom for an October week in Florida, perhaps Orlando or other Florida destination if I deposit my week early in advance? I would prefer to stay at another Marriott. Do you think I would be better keeping the unit as a two bedroom and trying for a Getaway week for October instead? I am assuming once I reserve the unit as a two bedroom, it cannot be changed to a lockoff and vice versa?

On TUG, it has been stated that 2 bedroom Manor Club older section is nicer than the 2 bedroom Manor Club Sequal lockoff units. Members have reported being able to stay at the older section with their lockoff reservation. Any insight would be appreciated. Is it just luck or a request?

Last question (for now) is the golf included with Manor Club. What is included and what fees are there? I have never played golf before, but it is on my list of things to try. Can I rent clubs and get lessons at Manor Club? Any golfers out there have any advice about learning the game?

A BIG thanks to everyone at TUG for your years of advice!
 

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Yes you can join Interval International as soon as you own the Manor Club timeshare.

Yes you will be able to purchase Getaways immediately and as often as you like. You can even buy them for others.

You can reserve your 1BR or lock-off at 12 months and actually reserve the other half at that time as long as the week continuous or contiguous to your first half. Essentially you can reserve the second half at 12 months and 1 week out. If you want to reserve the second half for a later date, you will have to wait until 12 months out from that date.

If you want to trade almost anywhere in October, then a studio summer unit at Manor Club should get you there. However, when you place a request there is a chance the computer will match you up with another studio. If you get a studio unit in an exchange you can sin=mply call and cancel the exchange within 24 hours You can do your own searches online as well.

Again, you may get lucky and trade your studio unit into an off season 2BR at the older section.

Golf is included with the 2BR, or the 1BR if you decide to lock-off you unit.
 
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In the Marriott system in theory you are only supposed to be able to trade equal size units. THe only exception is if you own a 1 bedroom and the location you are trading to only has 2 bedrooms. So that means that if you have a MSE and you lock it off and use your one bedroom you should only be placed in a MSE unit since MMC has no one bedrooms. Does it always work that way? Who knows? But that is the stated policy
 

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In the Marriott system in theory you are only supposed to be able to trade equal size units. THe only exception is if you own a 1 bedroom and the location you are trading to only has 2 bedrooms. So that means that if you have a MSE and you lock it off and use your one bedroom you should only be placed in a MSE unit since MMC has no one bedrooms. Does it always work that way? Who knows? But that is the stated policy

This isn't the case. If you own and lock off MSE, you can place a specific request for MMC. As long as you have the trade power, you can exchange in to a 2BR unit. People do it with both the 1BR and studio MSE units all the time.

The only policy is that you can't place a request for a unit that has higher occupancy than you are giving up. This is an II rule, not a Marriott one. However, the workaround to this is to place requests in to resorts that only have units that are larger than what you are giving up.

In the years that we have locked off and exchanged, we have only traded like for like on unit size one time.
 

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You can reserve your 1BR or lock-off at 12 months and actually reserve the other half at that time as long as the week continuous or contiguous to your first half. Essentially you can reserve the second half at 12 months and 1 week out. If you want to reserve the second half for a later date, you will have to wait until 12 months out from that date.
This is not exactly accurate. OP owns only one week, so there is no 13-month reservation privilege. Each half of the lock-off can therefore only be booked 12 months ahead of the week being reserved.
 

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This is not exactly accurate. OP owns only one week, so there is no 13-month reservation privilege. Each half of the lock-off can therefore only be booked 12 months ahead of the week being reserved.

Some people have posted experiences where they were able to reserve consecutive weeks with a lock off at the 12 month mark from the first week. It may be limited to certain resorts.
 

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This is not exactly accurate. OP owns only one week, so there is no 13-month reservation privilege. Each half of the lock-off can therefore only be booked 12 months ahead of the week being reserved.

This is incorrect based on my experience. I have booked my split one Canyon Villas 12 months ahead with the other part the following week which is passed the 12 month date. With my 2 weeks at Beachplace, every year I book the LO for the first week (13 months ahead in this case) the 1BR for the 2nd week, the 1BR of the other unit for week 3, and that LO for the 4th week in a row ... Which puts me just one week shy of booking 14 months ahead!

I have 2 original weeks at MMC and 1 week at MSE. I have only used my MSE week once but prefer the other side...so I split it and II permits you to book both MSE parts into MMC to get two 2-bdrm suites in a row. Have never missed out on that trade...or with LO trades into Hilton Head, Newport Beach, etc. where there are only 2 bdrm suites...as long as you put the request in way ahead. You'll have a ball with trading and upgrading MSE.

Btw...i believe you get 3 golf rounds for the 1 bdrm and 2 for the LO if you split and stay at MSE...and you can split your 2bdrm Into a 3 night stay and a 4 night stay at different times. Lots of options.
 

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Thank you for all of your replies!

Is the best bet to call at the 12 month mark and request the week and lockoff. Then deposit both weeks into II and request a MMC trade? Do you recommend deposit first or request first? Is it likely to be able to trade a studio or one bedroom summer week for a two-bedroom MMC summer week if we are patient? We can drive to Williamsburg, so I can be patient.

Does anyone happen to know the current lockoff fee and II Marriott exchange fee? Thanks!
 

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I think DisneyMom you were asking a question about the living in a lock off vs. a two bedroom. With young kids, the two bedroom has a more homey feel and less like a bedroom with a hotel efficiency next door with an adjoining door (lock off). Manor Club has some lovely rooms, I especially like the ground floor with the high/low windows that let in light. You can look at floor plans on the Marriott Vacation Owners website and see what feels best for your situation.
 

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Is the best bet to call at the 12 month mark and request the week and lockoff. Then deposit both weeks into II and request a MMC trade? Do you recommend deposit first or request first? Is it likely to be able to trade a studio or one bedroom summer week for a two-bedroom MMC summer week if we are patient? We can drive to Williamsburg, so I can be patient. Thanks!

The earlier you get your request in with II the better your chances. If II is offering a bonus week for the 1 bdrm deposit I'd give them that part on a deposit first basis and the LO on a request first basis(because there are no ACs offered on lockoffs)...but only if you'd be happy going to Manor Club at that time if nothing came through. If you have holiday flexibility you'll have no problems getting upgraded trades. The lock off fee at Marriott was just raised to $80 from $75 (another typical fee grab). II's exchange fee from MAR to MAR TS is lower than to a non-Marriott but usually goes up each year.
 

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Golf

Golf itself is free but there is a limit on the number of free rounds and you also must pay cart fees. The lock off gets less rounds than the one bedroom and both less than the two bedroom.
This was taken from other posts but I am pretty sure its accurate.
Manor Club owners get 6 rounds of golf at Ford's Colony (greens fees only) for each week you own. There are restrictions if you are: 1) using a Split Week (2 rounds Fri-Sun; 4 rounds mon-thurs), or 2) using the lock-off (4 rounds if you are in the 1 bedroom; 2 rounds in the studio)

Don't forget about Twilight rates. That's what I normally choose, and it can be a significant discount for owners.


Fords Colony CC requires cart rental @ $30 pp -- but NO greens fees for qualifying Manor Club guests.
 

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Thank you all for your helpful advice!

Regarding golf - do all Marriott owners (regardless of home resort) receive golf benefits if they stay at Manor Club if they exchange to MMC or MSE or only owners of the resort? If I exchange into MMC from MSE do I still keep the golf benefits?

If I rent my unit say to friends or family with a guest certificate do the golf benefit apply to them if I am not there?

Thanks!
 

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Comments based on owning MSE for almost ten years:
1) one bedroom trades just like a 2BR in II
2) it appears based on experience that "summer" trades very well. Getting July 4th week is probably less relevant now that II's Travel Demand Indexes have changed considerably. Williamsburg now shows 8-10 weeks of highest demand in the summer
3) the studio gets 2BR units in off/shoulder season on line in II. Studios get 2BR at most resorts in high season with an ongoing request
4) owners get 10% off at Harry's Tavern at Ford's Colony
5) MMC is much nicer unit to unit. I always trade my MSE portions or Foxrun back into MMC
6) if you stay in MSE ask for an end unit all the way at the end of the hall. These units have a slight golf view and nobody walks past your unit all day long getting to their unit. High floors are better too.

Golf:
1) 6 rounds for 2BR. Staying in a studio gets 2 rounds, a 1BR gets 4
2) can only use 2 rounds per day
3) Must pay for a cart
4) Greens fees including cart are about $60 for Marriott guests
5) Any Marriott owner staying at Manor Club using a Marriott property to exchange in gets the golf. Marriott owners trading non-Marriott don't get the golf EVEN if you are a Manor Club owner. You can usually beg and they'll give it to you anyway.
 

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Thank you!!!

I want to be sure I get this straight, as I am new to II and Marriott (and timesharing)...

I need to request a summer week at MSE. I can request 12 months in advance. Is it best to call or do online? If I want to reserve Sat July 13-Sat July 20th, when would I reserve - Fri 7/13? I would request to lock off the unit at that time and the $80 fee is payable to Marriott?

If for say I would want a summer week at MMC and an October week in Florida (maybe Cypress Harbour or Grande Vista in Orlando or Palm Beach) how do you think it is best to put the request into II? Do a request first for a few summer weeks with the 1 bedroom (MSE) for MMC (all 2 bedroom)? If done a year in advance, am I likely to get that request and not have to bite my nails for 6 months?

For the fall week in Florida, then use the studio? Request or deposit first? Would I be best requesting a club that only has 2 bedroom units, say Cypress Harbour? Would that give me the best chance of getting a 2 bedroom?

At some point in the future, I would like a summer beach week at Hilton Head or Myrtle beach. Do I have enough trading power even with the 2 bedroom unit to possibly get this? How about Aruba or Hawaii (can be off season). If I don't have the trade power, it is ok. I didn't really buy this unit thinking of going to these top destinations, but was just curious. I can always perhaps rent weeks.

One other question, how much is the II Marriott to Marriott trade fee?

Thanks in advance!
 

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Thank you!!!

I want to be sure I get this straight, as I am new to II and Marriott (and timesharing)...

I need to request a summer week at MSE. I can request 12 months in advance. Is it best to call or do online? If I want to reserve Sat July 13-Sat July 20th, when would I reserve - Fri 7/13? I would request to lock off the unit at that time and the $80 fee is payable to Marriott?

For clarification, you would be reserving, not requesting. Too easy to confuse request with something done in II.

If for say I would want a summer week at MMC and an October week in Florida (maybe Cypress Harbour or Grande Vista in Orlando or Palm Beach) how do you think it is best to put the request into II? Do a request first for a few summer weeks with the 1 bedroom (MSE) for MMC (all 2 bedroom)? If done a year in advance, am I likely to get that request and not have to bite my nails for 6 months?

Others should be able to chime in with specific experiences trading summer 1BR MSE in to summer 2BR MMC.

For the fall week in Florida, then use the studio? Request or deposit first? Would I be best requesting a club that only has 2 bedroom units, say Cypress Harbour? Would that give me the best chance of getting a 2 bedroom?

Orlando fall weeks are plentiful. You may be better to actually save your studio week and book a getaway or an XYZ through II.

At some point in the future, I would like a summer beach week at Hilton Head or Myrtle beach. Do I have enough trading power even with the 2 bedroom unit to possibly get this?

HHI is probably easier than Myrtle Beach. Even prime week owners at MOW have a hard time trading back in to MOW.

How about Aruba or Hawaii (can be off season). If I don't have the trade power, it is ok. I didn't really buy this unit thinking of going to these top destinations, but was just curious. I can always perhaps rent weeks.

This should be doable. Place the request as early as possible and offer like for like in unit size.

One other question, how much is the II Marriott to Marriott trade fee?

I believe it is now $119 done online or $129 if done over the phone.

Thanks in advance!
 

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Can I please ask what an XYZ is? I have heard of Getaway, but not XYZ. Thanks!
 

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An XYZ week is similar to a bonus week from II. You get them when you make an exchange. The opportunity is available until the date of your exchange. The unit size you can get is determined by the size of exchange you are using for the XYZ. For example, I had 3 exchanges last year. A 1 bedroom, studio and a 2bedroom. I was able to go off of the 2bedroom exchange for a March exchange in Orlando. I now have the studio and 1 bedroom left but would have to make reservations to happen before the corresponding exchange. The grid II uses is surplus or off season inventory. I was able to exchange for Orlando but Palm Beach was not on the grid because it was so prime.
 

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Thank you!!!

I want to be sure I get this straight, as I am new to II and Marriott (and timesharing)...

I need to request a summer week at MSE. I can request 12 months in advance. Is it best to call or do online? If I want to reserve Sat July 13-Sat July 20th, when would I reserve - Fri 7/13? I would request to lock off the unit at that time and the $80 fee is payable to Marriott?

If for say I would want a summer week at MMC and an October week in Florida (maybe Cypress Harbour or Grande Vista in Orlando or Palm Beach) how do you think it is best to put the request into II? Do a request first for a few summer weeks with the 1 bedroom (MSE) for MMC (all 2 bedroom)? If done a year in advance, am I likely to get that request and not have to bite my nails for 6 months?

For the fall week in Florida, then use the studio? Request or deposit first? Would I be best requesting a club that only has 2 bedroom units, say Cypress Harbour? Would that give me the best chance of getting a 2 bedroom?

At some point in the future, I would like a summer beach week at Hilton Head or Myrtle beach. Do I have enough trading power even with the 2 bedroom unit to possibly get this? How about Aruba or Hawaii (can be off season). If I don't have the trade power, it is ok. I didn't really buy this unit thinking of going to these top destinations, but was just curious. I can always perhaps rent weeks.

One other question, how much is the II Marriott to Marriott trade fee?

Thanks in advance!

I have traded into Cypress Harbor using just the studio portion.

You mentioned going to Hilton Head in summer. I'd like to suggest you also consider Spring and Fall for HHI. Especially April and May. Much less humid. Beautiful burst of Spring fever when coming from the cold North. Same for Myrtle Beach. You should be able to get these with either 1 bedroom or possibly studio.
 

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If I wanted to keep my unit at MSE lock off as a two bedroom unit, could I make a request to stay at MMC with my Marriott reservation (dedicated 2 bedroom unit) or would I have to go thru II and make a request and pay an exchange fee? Thanks!
 

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You have to make your reservation with Marriott for MSE. Then you would try an exchange with the studio (I would use request first method if dates work) into MMC. Yes you will have an exchange fee but you will also then have an XYZ possibility. With the 1 bedroom you can try for HHI, Myrtle Beach or Orlando. You will get another XYZ opportunity for a 1 bedroom. The price of an XYZ is the exchange fee.
 

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If I wanted to keep my unit at MSE lock off as a two bedroom unit, could I make a request to stay at MMC with my Marriott reservation (dedicated 2 bedroom unit) or would I have to go thru II and make a request and pay an exchange fee? Thanks!

You would have to still go through II. You can't book at MMC with your MSE unit. When you reserve at MSE, you can't make a villa request to be placed in MMC. Your only choice is II. With that being the case, I don't think it would make much sense to not lock off. Unless you want to save the $80 and have no need for the second week.
 
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